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Karl Barks posted:there will still be labor laws under communism, I'd wager workplace safety still has to be maintained it won't be as easily swept under as it is now
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The Paris Commune was a complete poo poo show, and I think we're safe enough to finally admit it.
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R. Guyovich posted:a network of cooperatives for small production and artisans buttressed by state-owned heavy industry and key planks of the economy works really well so long as they are coordinated by a workers' state. perhaps some sort of Union, of Some sort of Socialist somethings, R. Guyovich?
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# ? May 31, 2019 16:53 |
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i say swears online posted:you really shouldn't It seems to me like the best of all worlds and the only way for socialism to to stay viable in the long term. Plus it doesn't mean that you can't still have a mixed economy where some industries are nationalized where it makes sense
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fabergay egg posted:perhaps some sort of Union, of Some sort of Socialist somethings, R. Guyovich? I am running a complete blank
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Jewel Repetition posted:It seems to me like the best of all worlds and the only way for socialism to to stay viable in the long term. Plus it doesn't mean that you can't still have a mixed economy where some industries are nationalized where it makes sense capitalism with a human face
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Top City Homo posted:capitalism with a human face I'd prefer capitalism with a human neck just one, so we could get the job done quick
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Mr. Lobe posted:I'd prefer capitalism with a human neck this comrade gets it
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market socialism seems like it would be an interesting experiment to try in a particular geographical region under a global command economy. and after we have survived the climate apocalypse
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# ? May 31, 2019 17:26 |
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china is basically market socialism imo. cuba's new constitution is also basically market socialismquote:At the 14th National Congress of the Communist Party of China (CPC) in October 1992, President Jiang Zemin delivered a report which hailed the substantial achievements made in reform and opening-up and the modernization drive since the end of 1978. The report also outlined the major tasks in economic and social development for the 1990s. It was the first time the leadership declared that the target of China's economic restructuring was a socialist market economy.
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# ? May 31, 2019 17:27 |
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I'm sure this has been asked but does anyone have recommendations for books about how the Soviet economy and government worked?
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# ? May 31, 2019 17:32 |
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Stephen Kotkin’s biography of Stalin lol
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# ? May 31, 2019 18:07 |
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i don't have a real answer so here's my troll answer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Critique_of_Soviet_Economics
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# ? May 31, 2019 18:10 |
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Captain Billy Pissboy posted:I'm sure this has been asked but does anyone have recommendations for books about how the Soviet economy and government worked? http://libcom.org/library/paresh-chattopadhyay-marxian-concept-capital-soviet-experience a marxian look at the soviet economy which argues for the "state capitalism" thesis but, also unusually, doesn't imply much of an argument against it the top book on the subject i hear is "farm to factory" by robert c. allen but i haven't read it: https://www.amazon.com/Farm-Factory-Reinterpretation-Industrial-Revolution/dp/0691144311 quote:To say that history's greatest economic experiment--Soviet communism--was also its greatest economic failure is to say what many consider obvious. Here, in a startling reinterpretation, Robert Allen argues that the USSR was one of the most successful developing economies of the twentieth century. He reaches this provocative conclusion by recalculating national consumption and using economic, demographic, and computer simulation models to address the "what if" questions central to Soviet history. Moreover, by comparing Soviet performance not only with advanced but with less developed countries, he provides a meaningful context for its evaluation.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Paris Commune was a complete poo poo show, and I think we're safe enough to finally admit it. to say this, on this day, as we are still reeling from our commemoration of the anniversary of the end of the Semaine Sanglante... what kind of a monster are you
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"workplace safety is very important," I type from a warehouse in which fire safety products are manufactured
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Karl Barks posted:i don't have a real answer so here's my troll answer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Critique_of_Soviet_Economics https://www.webcitation.org/69nfeZa23?url=http://www.nodo50.org/cubasigloXXI/congreso06/conf3_zhonquiao.pdf
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Flowers For Algeria posted:to say this, on this day, as we are still reeling from our commemoration of the anniversary of the end of the Semaine Sanglante... What're ya gonna do, guillotine me?
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Captain Billy Pissboy posted:I'm sure this has been asked but does anyone have recommendations for books about how the Soviet economy and government worked? amazon's recommendations are informing me that comrade stalin himself wrote on this https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1951/economic-problems/index.htm
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:What're ya gonna do, guillotine me? i’ll leave a rose at the mur des fédérés for you
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:the top book on the subject i hear is "farm to factory" by robert c. allen but i haven't read it: https://www.amazon.com/Farm-Factory-Reinterpretation-Industrial-Revolution/dp/0691144311 lmao I tried looking for this and it recommended to me Anne Applebaum instead
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:the top book on the subject i hear is "farm to factory" by robert c. allen but i haven't read it: https://www.amazon.com/Farm-Factory-Reinterpretation-Industrial-Revolution/dp/0691144311 i havent read this either, but this is the serious book everyone cites on the topic i read like half of michael ellman's Planning Problems in the USSR: The contribution of mathematical methods to their solution. it's very good, but so dense that i put it down in hopes of coming back to it after learning some other stuff. he wrote two other books on the topic, which i suspect are worth checking out, but i cant vouch for them personally
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Finicums Wake posted:i havent read this either, but this is the serious book everyone cites on the topic
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R. Guyovich posted:a network of cooperatives for small production and artisans buttressed by state-owned heavy industry and key planks of the economy works really well so long as they are coordinated by a workers' state. FDR
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Serf posted:market socialism seems like it would be an interesting experiment to try in a particular geographical region under a global command economy. and after we have survived the climate apocalypse Don't know why the socialist world republic would choose to take a huge step back for no reason in this hypothetical scenario
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Serf posted:market socialism seems like it would be an interesting experiment to try in a particular geographical region under a global command economy. and after we have survived the climate apocalypse for real usually my political self description changes depending on who I'm talking to, the vaguest being "egalitarian collectivist", but at heart I'm an eco-stalinist SEIZE ALL PRIVATE CARS MELT THEM DOWN MAKE MORE TRAINS
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:lol i just noticed the top review is former D&D mod mccaine that owns. he wrote up a nice reading list that i still consult when i have no idea where to start on some topic. i tried to pull it back up just now, to link it itt, but his website doesnt seem to be working
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Finicums Wake posted:that owns. he wrote up a nice reading list that i still consult when i have no idea where to start on some topic. i tried to pull it back up just now, to link it itt, but his website doesnt seem to be working
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Thanks for the recommendations everyone. I'll probably start with Farm to Factory soon.
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i can never figure out how market socialism is meaningfully different than just regular Soviet communism or straight up liberal capitalism. there is no compromise between private property and no private property
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Surely the invisible hand will stop slapping us around if change its glove.
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cenotaph posted:Surely the invisible hand will stop slapping us around if change its glove. invisible hand, immovable boot, irresistible revolution
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lol that ppl still say 'invisible hand' when the last 250 years has seen academia and corporations develop market radar the people tuning the motions of the invisible hand know exactly where it is and what it's doing it's just -the tuners suck at enriching anyone but themselves -many of the tuners are operating against each other, expending energy uselessly -also the hand is the hamburger helper hand; its a creep
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Serf posted:market socialism seems like it would be an interesting experiment to try in a particular geographical region under a global command economy. and after we have survived the climate apocalypse Yugoslavia had cool architecture
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That's an amazing cactus
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# ? May 31, 2019 23:17 |
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Split?
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# ? May 31, 2019 23:17 |
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holy loly that cactus owns
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dirty lousy tramp posted:Split? Yes 2 bad croatia is 100% racists now
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Algund Eenboom posted:Yes croatia was never not racist
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