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mortons stork posted:Careful with the examples you cite. Singapore is a virtuous example, but hong kong is basically nightmare dystopia. Real estate is so valuable, and so scarce, people are living in sections of rooms. Rent accounts for a ridiculously high percentage of income in that city, and afaik there is little being done wrt new housing development that can ease the shortage. Those are excellent Capitalism.jpgs  Here's more HONG KONG: *cue Blade Runner soundtrack*                   
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Accretionist posted:Those are excellent Capitalism.jpgs
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got any sevens posted:where's judge dredd SPECIAL FORCES, TAIWAN:  
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mortons stork posted:Careful with the examples you cite. Singapore is a virtuous example, but hong kong is basically nightmare dystopia. Real estate is so valuable, and so scarce, people are living in sections of rooms. Rent accounts for a ridiculously high percentage of income in that city, and afaik there is little being done wrt new housing development that can ease the shortage. "Singapore is a virtuous example" except for the maids sleeping in closets on top of the washing machine and dryer.
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Moridin920 posted:I feel like if you are online enough you'll never really be that far behind the trend. I don't know, I'm very online but I only found out what a Lil' Peep was when he died and they talked about him on NPR so I think I'm officially old
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bike tory posted:"Singapore is a virtuous example" except for the maids sleeping in closets on top of the washing machine and dryer. You got a link for that? I'm going from memory off of what I read couple years ago where it basically said Singapore public housing was world class and an example of a housing programme done right. I'd be interested in reading more about it and esp. about the cracks in the system
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Accretionist posted:[buildings] I like that from certain angles a lot of those very tall apartment buildings look like they wouldn't be all that out of place here  At least people actually live in those, unlike this one. Also apparently there's a homeless shelter on billionaire's row, here's some fuckin' capitalism dot png right here:  Or well, it would be a homeless shelter, but they've been sued to a halt https://thecity.nyc/2019/04/judge-nixes-challenge-to-billionaires-row-homeless-shelter.html quote:The embattled facility for 140 homeless men, located at the former Park Savoy Hotel on West 58th Street — one of Manhattan’s priciest blocks — has been stalled since neighbors sued to stop the shelter’s opening last July. "No really we just care for the homeless people's safety" I say as I snort a line of cocaine off the rear end of the woman I bought specifically so I could do drugs off her
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housing battles could really benefit from some kind of bad-faith-argument defense mechanism i don't even know if that's possible in the philosophy of law though
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like living in the bay area means being bombarded with it all the time seeing flyers and meetings and groups where you know everything they're saying is just some p-hacked argument to cover for their true selfish reasoning
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mortons stork posted:You got a link for that? I'm going from memory off of what I read couple years ago where it basically said Singapore public housing was world class and an example of a housing programme done right. I'd be interested in reading more about it and esp. about the cracks in the system I don't have any links sorry, what I know about it is anecdotal from friends who grew up in or lived in Singapore. I do know that domestic workers in Singapore have to live with their employers, it's a condition of their visa. The super isolated and vulnerable position that puts domestic workers in is obvious. That's probably also how SG avoids images like the ones you see from HK of people living in 2sq m crawl spaces - even if Singaporean public housing is great (I actually didn't know anything about it), it isn't available to maids, who make up about 5% of the population (something like 1/5 or 1/4 of households have a maid). Presumably if maids didn't have to live with their employers their public housing would be under significantly more strain? Anecdotally though: their treatment is wildly varied and I'm sure if you google around it will have been covered well by various organisations. Basically everyone knows at least one family who treat their maid very poorly (if not physically abusing them then verbally, severely restricting their freedom, feeding them poor quality diets etc), and beyond that it's standard practice that your maid doesn't get a bedroom of their own - the maid makes up a bed in the kitchen after everyone's asleep, or they sleep in a closet or, like I said, they put their mattress on top of the washing machine and dryer. voiceless anal fricative has issued a correction as of 21:29 on May 31, 2019 |
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Oh okay I know what you're referencing. Yeah, I know, domestic workers in SE Asia have it rough. Not even just singapore, malaysia did it pretty bad last I checked. There is basically 0 oversight and a lot of those situations end up hardly distinguishable from trafficking. It doesn't help that a lot of human trafficking happens exactly like this across the whole world. There is the barest hint of authorities trying to cooperate on the matter, but last I read, the countries exporting domestic workers (usually poorer ones like indonesia) have 0 leverage so the richer ones just tell them to eat poo poo. I guess steps forwards in that would be reforming visa conditions and actually putting employers under significant oversight. I think the public housing programme could probably accommodate domestic workers as well, if non-national resident workers are given access to it as opposed to strictly nationals. The public housing was one of those rare neoliberal technocracy success stories, in that central authorities were actually engaged in serving the public, so they just drafted a sensible urban plan, created housing zones with actual access to public services, mixed in with commercial zoning, and then delivered it. Then the administration of the thing was strictly controlled so that it wasn't subject to speculation and rents remained affordable. Of course, this was done the technocracy way, with 0 consultation and the barest pretense of democratic engagement, but still, it's actually very good results afaik. mortons stork has issued a correction as of 22:07 on May 31, 2019 |
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Shame Boy posted:And my new favorite: more moral panic about tax money Any of these amounts are insignificant to a town of several thousand people. All of these amounts could be easily absorbed by a medium-sized city. In a country of 300 million people, these dollar amounts are absolutely nothing.
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ScrubLeague posted:Any of these amounts are insignificant to a town of several thousand people. All of these amounts could be easily absorbed by a medium-sized city. In a country of 300 million people, these dollar amounts are absolutely nothing. Yeah, but it all adds up. You have to find some way to cover a $1.5 trillion tax cut for billionaires
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Accretionist posted:Those are excellent Capitalism.jpgs These make me feel uneasy. Those are air con units bolted to most of those apartments, right? How much power must it take to run all of that?
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ah well that's simply due to millennials being less whihahahaha no i can't do it
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Great Value! New Formula! Now With 35% LESS!
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Shear Modulus posted:hong kong is apparently well-known for being unbearably hot outside due in part to all the heat dumped outside by AC units A great example of 'gently caress you got mine'
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it’s a joke now but that’s the future, criticizing billionaires will be defined as hate speech
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Yeah twitter of all loving places is really known for its collectivist, left-leaning opinions putting a damper on things
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ScrubLeague posted:Any of these amounts are insignificant to a town of several thousand people. All of these amounts could be easily absorbed by a medium-sized city. In a country of 300 million people, these dollar amounts are absolutely nothing. "Listen, do YOU want YOUR money to pay for such trivial things as "researching high blood pressure caused by discrimination"? They should just suck it up buttercup and stop being such delicate snowflakes, I've never let myself get worked up about something like that and they shouldn't either." ... "WAIT A loving SECOND, A WOMAN SAID WHAT ABOUT VIDEOGAMES?!"
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Smirking_Serpent posted:it’s a joke now but that’s the future, criticizing billionaires will be defined as hate speech Ah but did you ever consider that wealthism is the real prejudice
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no the real victims of prejudice are bigots, who cannot voice their opinions about the humanity of people with certain skin colors, sexual orientations, etc, without being discriminated against
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Smirking_Serpent posted:it’s a joke now but that’s the future, criticizing billionaires will be defined as hate speech I liked how billionaires in SF compared themselves to jews in Nazi Germany after people criticized their greed.
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I'm almost finished with David Graeber's debt: the first 5000 years. What author do I go next for my 'capitalism critique from a historical and systemic perspective' fix?
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