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I'd like a Mac Pro, because I do colour critical work on Eizo external displays, so my iMac's screen goes mostly unused. I had a cheese grater 2008-2015 and it was truly fantastic. I only moved on as I needed USB 3 and Thunderbolt. If I could have the internals of an iMac Pro in a tower, and was able to perhaps change the GPU down the line, I'd be thrilled. RAM as well would be wonderful, but not a deal breaker.
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The new Mac mini is fine for my desktop computing purposes, I’m not even interested in the new Mac Pro unless a miracle happens and they sell an affordable, highly extendable entry model. The lack of GPU power in all but the highest end models used to bother me but I’ve accepted that macOS is just the wrong platform for graphics intensive applications, so I keep a plain windows box around for that and/or stream to macs. I’m way more excited for a potential ARM MacBook with their in-house CPU and GPU architecture. That being said AMD Ryzen should be the default choice for a new Mac Pro at this point (core count from 4 to 64 cores, higher power efficiency, PCIe 4, ECC, more secure design which is less affected by recent vulnerabilities, etc) but I’m almost certain they are going with Intel Cascade Lake X instead. edit: vvvvvv I'm aware of eGPUs, a good concept but the execution is lacking for my purposes. First there's Nvidia driver support which is randomly coming and going, then there's TB3 protocol encapsulation which causes too much internal latency and results in a sizeable performance loss compared to native PCIe. Lastly once you price out an enclosure + eGPU you'll find that building a complete low-end PC will give you comparable performance at a comparable price with better compatibility. That could change with a new protocol/connector optimized for this application, but I'm not holding my breath now that the TB3 spec is being rolled into USB4. vvvvvv eames fucked around with this message at 08:08 on Jun 3, 2019 |
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eames posted:The lack of GPU power in all but the highest end models used to bother me but I’ve accepted that macOS is just the wrong platform for graphics intensive applications, so I keep a plain windows box around for that and/or stream to macs. eGPU support is apparently pretty good now, though the enclosures aren’t cheap and you lose about a quarter of the performance (more if you want to drive an internal display). e: and you have to disable FileVault if you want to use an eGPU-connected display exclusively. Lazyhound fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Jun 3, 2019 |
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Bob Morales posted:So what do people want to be able to add? RAM Because Apple gouge so much on prices that it prevents people from getting enough to begin with. Video card because the state of the art changes year by year and it’s literally pissing away money to not use the best hardware for certain work. SSD / Hard drives: Because Apple charges a premium on top of the best NVMe drives in the market, and especially charges crazy money for upgrades. And some workloads need as much local storage as possible. A thunderbolt connected external array would work fine, but, why? It’s just a messy solution.
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PRADA SLUT posted:The new Mac Pro is just a box the size of an AppleTV and it just streams a virtual computer from Apple. though not cool enough for me to pay a monthly fee
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eames posted:The lack of GPU power in all but the highest end models used to bother me but I’ve accepted that macOS is just the wrong platform for graphics intensive applications, so I keep a plain windows box around for that and/or stream to macs. The amount that "traditionally mac" tasks such as premiere and photoshop lean on the gpu means that's not really true anymore. If you don't have a good gpu you can forget having fun in anything adobe.
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Trashcan Pros are gonna plummet in resale cost for about a year or two. Then I expect them to rise once collectors decide they want ‘em and they realize how few there are out there. Tbh, aside from TB3 and optional 10gig I wonder if a <$1000 used tMP won’t work better for some prospective Mac Mini buyers. I wrote most of my grant proposal on a couple of different trashcan pros in our computer lab. They’re physically very striking little towers, if you haven’t seen one in person yet. They do look like a bit of weird art on your desk and if it hadn’t been for the cost and the lack of GPU upgrades I’m sure it would’ve found its fanbase. I can confirm that it makes a pretty dope desktop Mac if you don’t need good GPUs and a university is footing the bill. Apple probably could’ve helped it limp along with an update or two (new CPUs, get AMD to build a more capable SFF GPU even if it ends up with middling performance as long as it’s better than what shipped in 2013) and likely a bigger price cut. trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Jun 3, 2019 |
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Jun 3, 2019 14:30
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Is there a thread to follow the WWDC keynote? I guess "Mac Hardware" thread might be a touch optimistic.
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[quote="Electric Bugaloo" post=""495603641”"] I wrote most of my grant proposal on a couple of different trashcan pros in our computer lab. They’re physically very striking little towers, if you haven’t seen one in person yet. [/quote] I stopped in the Apple store the other day to look at the new 4K monitor that they carry. It was hooked up to a Mac Pro, I pointed at it and my wife said “what the gently caress is that? It looks like a trash can”
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Jun 3, 2019 16:41
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I get they're going for nostalgia here but that thing is incredibly ugly lol.
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Jun 3, 2019 19:21
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The stand is $999. 
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Jun 3, 2019 19:49
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That display looks hype but lol am I happy I went with a refurb iMac Pro last year.
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Haha 1k for the monitor arm jfc
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Another 1k for the matte finish as well.
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All I ask is that if someone at work makes me buy one of these I get to put it on a personal credit card so I can reap the points.
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to sum it up: entry Mac Pro is $5,999 for an 8-core Cascade Lake-X Xeon, 32GB ECC memory, Radeon Pro 580X, 256GB SSD two 10Gbit ports, 8 internal PCIe slots, only two native TB3 ports and two USB-A ports. 1.4kW PSU, downsized cheese-grater case on wheels, internal layout reminiscent of old Mac Pro. Proprietary GPU modules ("MPX") are fanless and cooled by case fans; up to two dual GPUs modules per machine for up to 56 TFLOPS interconnected via infinity fabric. Optional "Afterburner" video transcoding FPGA card available. the 32" display has 6016x3384 pixels, HDR with 1000 nits sustained brightness, 1600 nits peak, 1.000.000:1 contrast. $4,999 for the glossy, $5,999 for the low reflection nano-texture (?). Stand is $999 extra. VESA mount is $199. fake edit: all the typing was useless because specs are up https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/specs/ https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/specs/
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That thing is incredibly ugly in the best possible way. I went squee when I saw it, I'm not ashamed
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Well, we finally got the NEW new Mac Pro, it's an even more expensive and well-machined cheesegrater. From the keynote and the web page: Pro: can have up to 4 TB internal storage Con: It's proprietary Apple SSDs but at least they're modular so there's a hope that 3rd parties could make cheaper compatible storage; controlled by the T2 chip though which means not likely
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Large internal storage in such a machine seems like a bad move. Wouldn’t you do all your storage networked via 10GbE? Seems like a better spend of money, especially for a workstation.
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Jun 3, 2019 20:46
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Omfg, use that AR thing on their page to visualize it on your desk or coffee table or bed or whatever, and resize it arbitrarily holy lol this thing is huuuuuge (wait no it's not)
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the pictures on their site clearly show two internal sata ports  SSDs are modular, RAID0, encrypted by T2 For GPUs they a 475W PCIe connector in addition to the regular 16x, one would hope that there will be adapters that convert this long PCIe connector to power dual 8 pins for standard AIBs. my main worry about buying such a machine would be intel's hyperthreading related vulnerabilities, though the CPU is socketed, which is nice.
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Local storage will always be faster. So if you're a video editing type you'll want as much as you can get, even if it only ever gets used as a cache.
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eames posted:to sum it up: It’s 4 tb3, not 2. 2 are on top
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LionArcher posted:It’s 4 tb3, not 2. 2 are on top my understanding is that it has 2 native TB3 ports on top and then 2 TB3 + 2 USB-A in the rear supplied by a 4x PCIe I/O board
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eames posted:my understanding is that it has 2 native TB3 ports on top and then 2 TB3 + 2 USB-A in the rear supplied by a 4x PCIe I/O board Double checking and that seems correct.
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Hmm if Apple publishes the specs on that ASIC card or lets other people build ASICs they might turn these into mining rigs..   You probably wouldn't HAVE to use Apple's Monstrous Peripheral Xchange (MPX) cards, since it's presumably PCIe 3.0, you still could probably pop an RTX 2080 in there, if Apple ever loving lets nVidia write drivers for.. Catalina? I thought we were gonna go to Malibu! Still, glad we're out of the mountains and deserts for a change. Also, now I have to shitcan all those Cintiq proposals from clients and spec out iPads and Pencils. Sigh. Isn't it nice that Apple gives all their devs literally a 3 month head start to retool their apps to run in the newest OS? Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Jun 3, 2019 |
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Binary Badger posted:if Apple ever loving lets nVidia write drivers for.. Catalina? I don't understand why people don't realize that Nvidia could just publish unsigned drivers that you have to turn SIP off to install. The hackintosh folks have been doing this for years. Their "waaa Apple won't let us" is purely posturing.
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The Cheesegrater is dead. Long live the Cheesegrater!
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So you could run non-MPX GPUs in there. Like if you wanted to.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:So you could run non-MPX GPUs in there. Like if you wanted to.
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Lol at people complaining about the price of the Pro, when Apple knows that firms like Pixar will order a gazillion of them fully loaded with three displays per Pro (plus the stand.) Apple is just printing money at this point.
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ratbert90 posted:Lol at people complaining about the price of the Pro, when Apple knows that firms like Pixar will order a gazillion of them fully loaded with three displays per Pro (plus the stand.) I’m not at that point yet, but if my business keeps growing I’d order this on December 31 and have it as a very nice tax write off.
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If Apple had cheaped out people would be bitching it's the death of Macs. This thing is just awesome in it's excess. Also if Apple keeps up their refresh/update schedule, it's all your going to get for another 6 years.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:Trashcan Pros are gonna plummet in resale cost for about a year or two. Then I expect them to rise once collectors decide they want ‘em and they realize how few there are out there. They should never rise in price, they should all be gathered up and dumped into the same New Mexico landfill that Atari dumped all those E.T. The Extraterrestrial game cartridges in. Or better yet, the one Apple dumped all those Lisa computers into, since unlike the E.T. cartridges, they've never been found.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:Trashcan Pros are gonna plummet in resale cost for about a year or two. Then I expect them to rise once collectors decide they want ‘em and they realize how few there are out there. Nice I'll probably try to pick an old Trashcan Pro up if the prices do fall 
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ratbert90 posted:Lol at people complaining about the price of the Pro, when Apple knows that firms like Pixar will order a gazillion of them fully loaded with three displays per Pro (plus the stand.) No. Pixar is not enough to even make back 1% of the R&D cost of this. Really, I don't know how this makes money by itself, unless the margins are >100%, which they very well may be. Tons of work sunk into this, and they're not going to sell millions of them.
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Every single tech YouTuber with over 500k subscribers is going to buy a maxed out $15,000 Pro to put in the back of all of their videos.
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Krispy Wafer posted:If Apple had cheaped out people would be bitching it's the death of Macs. I agree that they did a really good job. Im not happy this they went with Intel instead of AMD TR2 but that’s understandable as Ryzen 1 likely wasn’t even out when they started designing this. This is the one single desktop machine where PCIe 4 would have made sense from the start. Buying into what’s essentially a >$6k 14nm Skylake based machine in 2019 also worries me after recent security vulnerability disclosures and the performance loss from mitigations; there’s probably more where that came from. American McGay posted:Every single tech YouTuber with over 500k subscribers is going to buy a maxed out $15,000 Pro to put in the back of all of their videos. That’s probably off by the order of one magnitude for a maxed out spec.
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AlternateAccount posted:No. Pixar is not enough to even make back 1% of the R&D cost of this. There's such pent-up demand for new Mac Pros they'll sell out this first year. After 2019, who knows. Otherwise it creates a halo effect for Apple's other products and probably increases sales of iMac Pro's.
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Last Chance posted:Nice I'll probably try to pick an old Trashcan Pro up if the prices do fall I run a workstation with a Threadripper 2970WX and a GPU dedicated for a KVM. It's quite a bit faster than a Trashcan and I treat it like native MacOS.
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