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Which Thread Title shall we name this new thread?
This poll is closed.
Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce 44 21.36%
ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress 19 9.22%
Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin 9 4.37%
Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country 14 6.80%
ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit 8 3.88%
Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died 24 11.65%
Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country 14 6.80%
ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread 17 8.25%
ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter 15 7.28%
ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming 2 0.97%
Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy 10 4.85%
ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union 5 2.43%
ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die 25 12.14%
Total: 206 votes
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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Someone who pays much closer attention to this than me, what the gently caress is going on with the SNP at the moment? I know there's some infighting because of Salmond being accused of improper behaviour and the resultant handling of that by Sturgeon & co but other than that I hear very little about it. It just seems interesting because it's the first time in decades the SNP actually seem to be airing grievances somewhat in public.

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mehall
Aug 27, 2010


forkboy84 posted:

Someone who pays much closer attention to this than me, what the gently caress is going on with the SNP at the moment? I know there's some infighting because of Salmond being accused of improper behaviour and the resultant handling of that by Sturgeon & co but other than that I hear very little about it. It just seems interesting because it's the first time in decades the SNP actually seem to be airing grievances somewhat in public.

Salmond left the government and is still on good terms with Sturgeon.
Some amount of the actions being taken against him are by the Scottish Civil Service, or appointees to the Scottish Government from Westminster, e.g. those who aren't holding party allegiance first, which is why it's as public as it has been I think, but mostly there's just not the political will to abuse this.

Salmond is still well enough liked, or at least not actively disliked, and the other parties don't want to compromise any investigation that's ongoing.

The Greens don't want to fracture too much from the SNP because that'll likely just solidify the indy vote under SNP even more
Labour don't want to touch it because they've got enough things on their own plate.
The Tories won't touch it, because it too easily becomes hunting grounds on the Tories
The Lib Dems won't touch it because

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
honestly it doesn't seem like there's much of anything happening outside of salmond winning his legal thing against the civil service, just loads of slow news day hyperbolic headlines in the tabloids and the national

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


i saw a good headline from the scottish version of the express or something that was like "STURGEONS SECRET PLAN FOR INDY REF 2!!!"

not very secret is it lol

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/ChloeMinish/status/1087387639236448257

drat must be a blow to the thread transphobe to read this.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/ChloeMinish/status/1087387639236448257

drat must be a blow to the thread transphobe to read this.

lol

get hosed stu

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Alex Salmond has been arrested.

Is there a crowdfunder yet?

Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 10:39 on Jan 24, 2019

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Anyone else standing with Alex?

https://twitter.com/80_mcswan/status/1088368145902043136

Yes, This is just like Catalonia.

Edit holy moley zoomers are weird

https://twitter.com/jardtech/status/1088375903942529024

Aramoro fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Jan 24, 2019

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
We're talking about it in the UKMT, why don't you... oh that's right.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Natalie McGarry’s trial is imminent too.

https://twitter.com/Winnfrith1/status/1088373024213086210

https://twitter.com/Winnfrith1/status/1088376108951711744

#freealex

jre
Sep 2, 2011

To the cloud ?



Your links are broken, what’s it supposed to be ?

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




jre posted:

Your links are broken, what’s it supposed to be ?

It was some Nat talking about how it's a put-up job and exactly like Catalonia.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Sorry everyone I should have taken screenshots.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Crikey

https://twitter.com/BBCPhilipSim/status/1088452062025703424

Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!


Naw means naw

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Extreme0 posted:

Naw means naw

Which is why he's not allowed to post in the UKMT

Obliterati
Nov 13, 2012

Pain is inevitable.
Suffering is optional.
Thunderdome is forever.

Gonzo McFee posted:

Which is why he's not allowed to post in the UKMT

The best argument for No

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Dugdale’s won the defamation case. No damages for that gobshite Campbell.
Sadly I doubt it’ll be the last we hear from him.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-47963759

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
No doubt he’ll be crowdfunding an appeal soon.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Oh wow I didn't know this thread still existed.

Not Operator
Jan 1, 2009

Not A doctor, THE Doctor!
A place to pay about what's going on in Scotland atm, politically.

*crickets chirp*

*tumbleweed*

Stuart Campbell is still a huge prick.

*white noise*

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
Apparently Sturgeon has some indyref 2 info after Easter, but I'm sceptical of any big moves now that Brexit is extended til October. Or maybe that's why...? I reckon she'll hold off until an election which the SNP are projected to win massively.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Coohoolin posted:

Apparently Sturgeon has some indyref 2 info after Easter, but I'm sceptical of any big moves now that Brexit is extended til October. Or maybe that's why...? I reckon she'll hold off until an election which the SNP are projected to win massively.

She’s just stringing along the painted face brigade. She’ll announce some kind of consultation or ‘national conversation’ and demand that the constitution is devolved or something.

Total Meatlove
Jan 28, 2007

:japan:
Rangers died, shoujo Hitler cried ;_;
Maybe she’s taking the next round of 2020 qualifiers?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Total Meatlove posted:

Maybe she’s taking the next round of 2020 qualifiers?

Sorry, I've decided to just pretend that the SFA have withdrawn the men's national team from FIFA in protest at corruption as a form of defence mechanism for how staggeringly rotten they've been for 20 years.

There are no next 2020 qualifiers.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

forkboy84 posted:

Sorry, I've decided to just pretend that the SFA have withdrawn the men's national team from FIFA in protest at corruption as a form of defence mechanism for how staggeringly rotten they've been for 20 years.

There are no next 2020 qualifiers.

Only “20 years”? lol

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Cerv posted:

Only “20 years”? lol

World Cup 98 is a positive memory. Well, the first 2 games before getting merked 3-0 by Morocco.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Pissflaps posted:

She’s just stringing along the painted face brigade. She’ll announce some kind of consultation or ‘national conversation’ and demand that the constitution is devolved or something.

Lol nailed it

https://twitter.com/BBCPhilipSim/status/1121034656567242753

https://twitter.com/BBCPhilipSim/status/1121033295351906304

hyper from Pixie Sticks
Sep 28, 2004

Natalie McGarry's pled guilty.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.


sturgeon knows there’s no scenario in which Westminster under either party grants a s30 order for the second referendum in 2021.
this is so obviously just posturing to rile up the base, isn’t she risking turning off swing voters who don’t appreciate the waste of time & resource.


hyper from Pixie Sticks posted:

Natalie McGarry's pled guilty.
two good court results ITT in as many weeks! I hope they can recover at least some of the money from her assets to reimburse the food bank that was ripped off.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Cerv posted:

sturgeon knows there’s no scenario in which Westminster under either party grants a s30 order for the second referendum in 2021.
this is so obviously just posturing to rile up the base, isn’t she risking turning off swing voters who don’t appreciate the waste of time & resource.

This is Sturgeon setting the stage for refusing to go into coalition with Corbyn if a GE is called and Labour don't get an outright majority. Her price for coalition will be either flat revocation of A50 or Indyref 2 if that's not on offer, either because we've left the EU already or because Labour won't give it (they won't). Labour can't offer an Indyref if they need SNP MPs to govern, and they are likely to have ruled out revocation in their manifesto in favour of renegotiation followed by confirmatory vote.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Jedit posted:

This is Sturgeon setting the stage for refusing to go into coalition with Corbyn if a GE is called and Labour don't get an outright majority. Her price for coalition will be either flat revocation of A50 or Indyref 2 if that's not on offer, either because we've left the EU already or because Labour won't give it (they won't). Labour can't offer an Indyref if they need SNP MPs to govern, and they are likely to have ruled out revocation in their manifesto in favour of renegotiation followed by confirmatory vote.

Latest polls are putting Labour about 10-15 shy of a majority.
If Scotland did go independent, Labour would have a majority.

Labour would also likely have an effective majority, as the SNP could likely be given a bung to whip to abstain on a majority of votes.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
The SNP wouldn’t need a bung. They’ve successfully used Labour’s indyref platform sharing with the Tories to paint the unionist parties as being ‘all the same’, but it means they can’t credibly threaten to vote against a minority labour government.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
An interesting take from a prominent Scottish actor

https://twitter.com/macfadyenangus/status/1134281746546135040

is anybody in this thread prepared to die for the cause of Scottish independence?

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
He tweeted that at 3:13am. He was probably just shitfaced.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Pissflaps posted:

An interesting take from a prominent Scottish actor

https://twitter.com/macfadyenangus/status/1134281746546135040

is anybody in this thread prepared to die for the cause of Scottish independence?

No, but Joey DeMaio would die for metal so makes u think

hyper from Pixie Sticks
Sep 28, 2004

Pissflaps posted:

is anybody in this thread prepared to die for the cause of Scottish independence?
Are you prepared to die in defence of the union?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


The only thing Pissflaps is willing to die for is sending people weirdly stalky abusive PMs

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
I would gladly give my life in armed struggle to bring back The Learning Zone to BBC2 :mad:

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


https://twitter.com/libcomorg/status/1136257409364701185

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