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Tashilicious
Jul 17, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

bike tory posted:

Popped up on my fb



Ben and Jerries actually practices their activism in their stores and politics. its not really a "look at this brand trying to be woke and fellow kidsing" when the founders have been activists for progressive causes since before they made the company.

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Dawncloack
Nov 26, 2007
ECKS DEE!
Nap Ghost

Zeppelin Insanity posted:

No one who makes the procurement decisions cares about effectiveness. This is also the case with all rich person purchases and luxury products. Luxury cars don't work. Today's luxury cars have paintjobs that a self-taught enthusiast could beat easily. And I assume it used to be worse in the past. No one cares about quality.

I recently visited an expensive mall with my fiance to have a look at stuff. We are sensitive to fabric, and we touched a lot of products out of curiosity. Gucci, Chanel,Tom Ford, Yves Saint Laurent, Prada, Versace, Dolce and Gabbana, Alexander McQueen, Burberry, all that sort of stuff. After 3 and a half hours we found TWO items in a big 4-level mall that felt about comparable quality to mid-level of loving H&M. Not one item better than upper-level H&M. Dresses that cost 4 thousand dollars, coats that cost 10 thousand all felt gross and sandpapery. 3 thousand dollar bags were cheap chinesium plastic. One brand had metal hardware on their bags.

This is the norm. I really feel that most people apply their own thinking and their own choices extrapolated to rich people, but that is completely wrong. You or I might want to get something good with our money. But for rich people it's never about the product, it is always about the price tag.

This absolutely applies to services, military hardware, everything.

I mean, look at hedge funds. In the longer term hedge funds always return less than the market. That's before exorbitant fees. But rich people love hedge funds because they're expensive and lose them money. It's about exclusivity and prestige.

Ferrari recently unveiled their next hybrid car with quoted horsepower of something like 980. A bit over 200 of that comes from electric motors. But you don't have that all the time. No, the batteries are so tiny it's an extra mode. How much can you use it? According to Ferrari, "a number of seconds". They know full well that maybe 10% of their customers actually drive their cars more than a couple of miles, and of those that do most will only ever take off from a stoplight fast and that's it.

Sorry for rambling but it really pisses me off how little people expect of expensive products, for some reason. Maybe because I'm selfish and like to imagine myself rich and am frustrated that I wouldn't be able to get good stuff because it does not exist.

Conspicuous consumption, my dude. I bet you knew this, but in case anybody that doesn't know is interested, there's much written on the subject.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Dawncloack posted:

Conspicuous consumption, my dude. I bet you knew this, but in case anybody that doesn't know is interested, there's much written on the subject.

I can't wait until this is illegal. It'll be fantastic!

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib
More likely we'll get another "cash for clunkers" program, but this time for phones or something.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Lambert posted:

More likely we'll get another "cash for clunkers" program, but this time for phones or something.

cash for huawei phones except you dont get any money for them, you just have to surrender them uncompensated for national security concerns

KidVanguard
Jan 27, 2006

American Diaper

Taintrunner posted:

I always wanted to pen a reboot of Batman where it’s a poor black science nerd whose parents are killed by private police and the Joker is a white real estate developer who gets off to gentrification.

then again it would just turn into the Punisher like 20 minutes in

I always wanted to reboot it where the Joker is a black man in “white face” and leads an OWS style attack on Batman because Batman is literally the military industrial complex and people would stop doing crimes if Batman just gave up his money and fixed the wealth inequality in the city but he can’t so he keeps punching criminals and calls himself the hero.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

Tashilicious posted:

Ben and Jerries actually practices their activism in their stores and politics. its not really a "look at this brand trying to be woke and fellow kidsing" when the founders have been activists for progressive causes since before they made the company.

Isn't that company owned by nestle now or something?

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Larry Parrish posted:

predators are really only good terror weapons though. turns out a thermal camera at high altitude and maybe some backscatter cell phone signals is pretty difficult to actually identify anyone in particular with. but you know, the real goal is accomplished when whatever building the supposed target is in gets hit with a Hellfire and kills 20 bystanders with the fire and shrapnel. anyway those kinds of killbots would be incredibly useless in the US for a lot of reasons, but a big one is that they're fairly easy to jam and people own a lot of high power radios around here

Remember when they didn't even bother to encrypt the video feed from them and some scrappy little talibans cobbled together a receiver that could pick up and display whatever the drone was looking at? :allears:

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Weatherman posted:

Isn't that company owned by nestle now or something?

quote:

Ben & Jerry's Homemade Holdings Inc, trading and commonly known as Ben & Jerry's, is an American company that manufactures ice cream, frozen yogurt, and sorbet. It was founded in 1978 in Burlington, Vermont, and sold in 2000 to British-Dutch conglomerate Unilever. Today it operates globally as a fully owned subsidiary of Unilever.

All brands are bastards

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

quote:

In July 2015, the company separated its food spreads business,[71] including its Flora and I Can't Believe It's Not Butter! brands, into a standalone entity named Unilever Baking, Cooking and Spreading.[72] The separation was first announced in December 2014 and was made in response to declining worldwide sales in that product category.[73]

Ahh yes, the three human things that humans do to prepare food: baking, cooking, and spreading

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

It's always fun to read the wikipedia articles on corporations like this because the beginning is always like "ol' Mr. Uni Lever started selling down-home remedies to the common cold out of his wagon" and then within a few paragraphs it turns into "In 2001 Unilever acquired [competitor]. In 2002 Unilever acquired [competitor]. In 2003 Unilever acquired [company] to enter the [thing] market. In 2004 Unilever acquired [competitor] via a hostile takeover bid."

Like you can usually tell the exact moment they stopped being a company that made things and started being an investment vehicle that buys other companies, and it's usually in the 80's or 90's. Thanks Reagan!

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos
Better are the ones that used to be public service companies owned by state/local governments who were kicked onto the stock market.

"Iron Valley Power and Gas was funded by the residents of Hogtown, Bealesborough, and Clemsville in 1931 in order to provide electricity for the local homes and businesses

....

Iron Valley P&G changed its name to GLEMEX CORP and is listed on the S&P 500 as one of the most important vertically consolidated energy concerns in the entire western us"

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Larry Parrish posted:

predators are really only good terror weapons though. turns out a thermal camera at high altitude and maybe some backscatter cell phone signals is pretty difficult to actually identify anyone in particular with. but you know, the real goal is accomplished when whatever building the supposed target is in gets hit with a Hellfire and kills 20 bystanders with the fire and shrapnel. anyway those kinds of killbots would be incredibly useless in the US for a lot of reasons, but a big one is that they're fairly easy to jam and people own a lot of high power radios around here

they have the same jammers

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

Larry Parrish posted:

predators are really only good terror weapons though. turns out a thermal camera at high altitude and maybe some backscatter cell phone signals is pretty difficult to actually identify anyone in particular with. but you know, the real goal is accomplished when whatever building the supposed target is in gets hit with a Hellfire and kills 20 bystanders with the fire and shrapnel. anyway those kinds of killbots would be incredibly useless in the US for a lot of reasons, but a big one is that they're fairly easy to jam and people own a lot of high power radios around here

I'm imaging a team of sweaty amateur radio nerds bringing out old ham radios and taking down skynet now, thanks

It would make for a great movie, someone get danny divito

T-man has issued a correction as of 16:07 on Jun 3, 2019

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
I still like that Bechtel was some Fresno scraper outfit until the new deal helped transform them into a massive Beltway bandit hell contractor

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

hobbesmaster posted:

they have the same jammers

an airborne platform just cant put out that kind of juice unless it's one of the signals platforms like an AWACS or one of the SIGINT versions. any strong ground station is always going to win that fight. and it's not like you can jam a jamming signal; youd still be jamming your remote platform either way

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

hobbesmaster posted:

they have the same jammers

"OH NO THEY JAMMED MY JAMMING SIGNAL BECAUSE EVE ONLINE IS A REAL GAME WHAT DOOOOO"

That's not how radios work fam.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

mycomancy posted:

"OH NO THEY JAMMED MY JAMMING SIGNAL BECAUSE EVE ONLINE IS A REAL GAME WHAT DOOOOO"

That's not how radios work fam.

https://youtu.be/mK0q7d3pLH0

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

mycomancy posted:

"OH NO THEY JAMMED MY JAMMING SIGNAL BECAUSE EVE ONLINE IS A REAL GAME WHAT DOOOOO"

That's not how radios work fam.

There actually are countermeasures for jamming but it's less "jam the jammer" and more "avoid the jammer using clever tricks".

There's also always radiation-seeking missiles if that doesn't work.

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
I loved using HARMs in the old flight sim game I used to play

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
the military doesn't exactly have a great blue on blue record with HARMs lol

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

quote:

During the Gulf War, the HARM was involved in a friendly fire incident when the pilot of an F-4G Wild Weasel escorting a B-52 bomber mistook the latter's tail gun radar for an Iraqi AAA site. (This was after the tail gunner of the B-52 had targeted the F-4G, mistaking it for an Iraqi MiG.) The F-4 pilot launched the missile and then saw that the target was the B-52, which was hit. It survived with shrapnel damage to the tail and no casualties. The B-52 was subsequently renamed In HARM's Way.

quote:

"Magnum" is spoken over the radio to announce the launch of an AGM-88.[6] During the Gulf War, if an aircraft was illuminated by enemy radar a bogus "Magnum" call on the radio was often enough to convince the operators to power down.[7] This technique would also be employed in Serbia during air operations in 1999.

this is almost as good as CIWS stories :allears:

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Larry Parrish posted:

any strong ground station is always going to win that fight.

lol, bullshit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-radiation_missile


*edit* beaten!

Larry Parrish posted:

the military doesn't exactly have a great blue on blue record with HARMs lol

Or anything really.

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


edit nm

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

lancemantis posted:

this is almost as good as CIWS stories :allears:

Always remember what H.A.R.M. stands for

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Doggles
Apr 22, 2007

https://twitter.com/FamousCeleb/status/1135277369588035584

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Zeppelin Insanity posted:

Maybe because I'm selfish and like to imagine myself rich and am frustrated that I wouldn't be able to get good stuff because it does not exist.

if you want good fabric, go to a tailor or dressmaker and tell them what good fabric you want and get something made from it. you don’t have to shop off the rack at a mall, future-rich-you.

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗

Tashilicious posted:

Ben and Jerries actually practices their activism in their stores and politics. its not really a "look at this brand trying to be woke and fellow kidsing" when the founders have been activists for progressive causes since before they made the company.
the activist founders sold the company to unilever almost twenty years ago and no longer hold any management roles or power at the company, except as half associated mascots
That sounds pretty capitalism.txt at least, if not .png

e:fb, so have some content:

yes this is an ad for baby life insurance

Coolness Averted has issued a correction as of 22:03 on Jun 3, 2019

Asimov
Feb 15, 2016

Subjunctive posted:

if you want good fabric, go to a tailor or dressmaker and tell them what good fabric you want and get something made from it. you don’t have to shop off the rack at a mall, future-rich-you.

This is good advice, when I am future rich I shall commission a fine five-piece suit for traveling abroad.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

Coolness Averted posted:

the activist founders sold the company to unilever almost twenty years ago and no longer hold any management roles or power at the company, except as half associated mascots
That sounds pretty capitalism.txt at least, if not .png

e:fb, so have some content:

yes this is an ad for baby life insurance

Invest in your dead child today!

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

I've been told this is real

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Away all Goats posted:

I've been told this is real



...what is it?

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

mycomancy posted:

...what is it?
It's an Apple monitor stand. And it is, apparently, real.

I suspect they may be hosed. They have no new ideas, their sales have been going down, and because of stock buybacks, they no longer have the massive cash reserves they used to.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Thanatosian posted:

It's an Apple monitor stand. And it is, apparently, real.

I suspect they may be hosed. They have no new ideas, their sales have been going down, and because of stock buybacks, they no longer have the massive cash reserves they used to.

I thought they were going to use their cash to turn into a bank to support Apple Pay

Lol if they are just burning cash

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



apple doesnt need to make new products or have new ideas. the newest iphones are twice the price of the ones from a few years ago and they absolutely dont cost as much more to make so thats mostly pure profit. they take 30% or 15% of every sale on the iphone/ipad app store which is an insane margin for doing basically nothing but operating a toll booth.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Shear Modulus posted:

apple doesnt need to make new products or have new ideas. the newest iphones are twice the price of the ones from a few years ago and they absolutely dont cost as much more to make so thats mostly pure profit. they take 30% or 15% of every sale on the iphone/ipad app store which is an insane margin for doing basically nothing but operating a toll booth.

The app revenue on that may be coming down, as they're appealing a court case re: their monopoly status. People haven't been buying the new phones in the same numbers, and they can't just sit on their laurels on their current revenue stream and expect their stock price to keep going up.

megalodong
Mar 11, 2008

https://www.macrumors.com/2019/06/03/apple-pro-display-xdr-stand-costs-extra-999/

quote:

Apple's press release:

quote:

The all-new Mac Pro starts at $5,999 and will be available to order in the fall. Pro Display XDR starts at $4,999, the Pro Stand is $999 and the VESA Mount Adapter is $199. All will be available to order in the fall.

The display will be available in the fall, starting at $4,999, but that price doesn't include the stand. If you want the display to come on Apple's stand, as it is shown in official product images, that'll cost an extra $999. Unsurprisingly, the reaction to this news has been quite strong across social media.

plus the potential antitrust lol.

Bring on the downfall of apple.

Former DILF
Jul 13, 2017

its never going to happen but Donald Trump being the second coming of the Trustbuster would be pretty funny ityool2019

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Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Thanatosian posted:

they can't just sit on their laurels on their current revenue stream and expect their stock price to keep going up.

Actually I think they can do that just fine and it'll work out for them somehow.

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