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Liquid Communism posted:Note that in Tales From The Loop, the PCs are explicitly gradeschoolers age 10-15. This is the part that pushes it into new territory for me. Not only did he hide his rape nonsense from the con organisers and not include mention of it in his game submission but he chose to do it in a game that is heavily based on The Goonies, ET, Stranger Things, Flight of The Navigator, etc with a group of players that are playing a band of adventuring kids. 
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BoneMonkey posted:Ok, now I'm not a fan of this poo poo, and am all up for stamping poo poo like this out. But would that be kink shaming? If your kink involves children or other people incapable of consenting - and in this case it does in a way that even the daddy dom stuff doesn't - it doesn't get the usual 'well, whatever floats your boat' protection.
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BoneMonkey posted:Ok, now I'm not a fan of this poo poo, and am all up for stamping poo poo like this out. But would that be kink shaming? Naw you got the right of it, they didn't know what they were signing up for and playing as literal children (Not even the weak decorum of 1000 year old titty daemons) pretty much invalidates it.
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BoneMonkey posted:Ok, now I'm not a fan of this poo poo, and am all up for stamping poo poo like this out. But would that be kink shaming? "Safe, sane, and consensual." So no, it's not kinkshaming, it's more like arresting the guy who wanks on the bus. E: I mean the public bus, with the public on it, not like the bus wankers club wank bus, before anyone asks. Elector_Nerdlingen fucked around with this message at 12:17 on Jun 3, 2019 |
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Cool, I figured this was pretty gross. As for kid angle, it is a bunch of adults playing kids. Now again I think that is gross to involve sex in that situation, but is it actually wrong? (Obvisiously it is wrong in this context with all the other stuff going on.) Pedos exist and as far as I know there isn't a cure for it. So if this is a good way for them to deal with thier issues without hurting kids then while gross isn't it ok for them to do this in a private and contenting setting? (Which this didn't seem to be.) I also do not know if this is a good way for them to deal with these issues, and maybe it makes it worse instead. Then should we stamp it out even though no one is actually getting hurt?
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Jun 3, 2019 12:18
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This is, uh, not a line of inquiry that is going to go particularly well for you.
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Jun 3, 2019 12:21
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BoneMonkey posted:Cool, I figured this was pretty gross. You do not get to run a game about loving kids in a random con game where you don't inform the players beforehand, what the gently caress. Edit: you're allowed to run whatever game you want in the privacy of your own home with players who agree to it. That has absolutely nothing to do with this case.
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Jun 3, 2019 12:23
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Eox posted:This is, uh, not a line of inquiry that is going to go particularly well for you. Yeah, I understand it's not "off topic" because squashing "deviant sexual behavior" is very fash but like...yeah letting pedophiles fantasize about children without support from a mental health professional? Probably not good!
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Jun 3, 2019 12:27
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Yes I agree it was super gross in this context, I was asking if it is still wrong in the best possible context, which would be in private and among consenting adults? Which I kinda think yeah, it's still gross and wrong. Especially if it does more harm or normalises this behaviour.
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Jun 3, 2019 12:31
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This isn't a good subject for amateurs to speculate about.
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Jun 3, 2019 12:32
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Elector_Nerdlingen posted:This isn't a good subject for amateurs to speculate about. Yeah, probably true.
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Jun 3, 2019 12:34
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BoneMonkey posted:Yes I agree it was super gross in this context, I was asking if it is still wrong in the best possible context, which would be in private and among consenting adults? I don't think pedophilia is fascism. Edit: or I guess it is? Nvm I guess. Harvey Mantaco fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Jun 3, 2019 |
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Elector_Nerdlingen posted:E: I mean the public bus, with the public on it, not like the bus wankers club wank bus, before anyone asks. Driving that bus would to cause life long psychiatric issues. That guy's going to walking around in a rain suit at all times and going into spastic trembling every time he hears someone running up behind him on the street. BoneMonkey posted:As for kid angle, it is a bunch of adults playing kids. Now again I think that is gross to involve sex in that situation, but is it actually wrong? (Obvisiously it is wrong in this context with all the other stuff going on.) That isn't therapy. It's an attempt at a promotional meet and greet for pedos.
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BoneMonkey posted:Ok, now I'm not a fan of this poo poo, and am all up for stamping poo poo like this out. But would that be kink shaming? If I read the description: quote:Description : As part of the science club you have been invited on a field trip to the old Cairn near Summers rock, thats on Saturday, Rob has arranged a sleepover on friday at his house as its close to Summers Rock, you can walk to the rock in the morning to meet Mr Jefferies... I'd figure it was a horror/survival game, like the old Friday 13th movies. Sure, I'd play that. But a rape game? No way. I figure the line between good kink and bad kink is informed consent. That description is misleading, as it leaves out the rape part entirely, so there's no informed consent. It isn't kink shaming to say "no thanks, I don't want to participate in your thing."
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Jun 3, 2019 14:47
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Cessna posted:If I read the description: The game specifically has you playing as kids. Kink shaming or not doesn't come into it. Pedophilia isn't a kink.
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Jun 3, 2019 15:01
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Booley posted:The game specifically has you playing as kids. Kink shaming or not doesn't come into it. Pedophilia isn't a kink. This. At best this dipshit was trying to be edgy and shocking in the worst way possible, at worst he was trying to inflict his derangement on unsuspecting people. Whole thing reminds me of a game of WHFRP I was dragged into a few years back, with a GM that ran a scenario involving a Fimir raid. Without warning, the cretin had the party encounter a  pregnant 8 year old Fimir slave and acted just incredibly shocked when half the table got up and told him to gently caress off.To bring this a little back on thread topic, the 4chan-breed of fash love to use shock tactics like this to look for potential fellow-travellers/recruits, weeding out the "normies" and drawing in the kinda sociopaths who don't immediately tell them to gently caress off. SteelMentor fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Jun 3, 2019 |
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Booley posted:The game specifically has you playing as kids. Kink shaming or not doesn't come into it. Pedophilia isn't a kink. I didn't see that in the description posted. Yeah, no, that's just wrong. Nope. No drat way.
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Jun 3, 2019 15:14
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Cessna posted:I didn't see that in the description posted. It's not explicitly in the description, but Tales From the Loop is a game for playing as kids.
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Mors Rattus posted:It's not explicitly in the description, but Tales From the Loop is a game for playing as kids. I did not know that. And again, no drat way.
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Tales from the Loop is basically an unlicensed Stranger Things Rpg isn't it?
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Jun 3, 2019 19:40
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BoneMonkey posted:Cool, I figured this was pretty gross. Hi, I'm a professional counselor and treatment provider who works with people who have committed sex offenses, including pedophiles. Let me go ahead and state that sexual desire isn't the sort of thing that goes away the more you explore it, and in fact the opposite is true. Sexual desire tends to increase in strength the more time and energy you put into it, so there is no 'safe' way for someone who is sexually attracted to children to act it out without increasing the likelihood that they're going to offend against a child.
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smug jeebus posted:Tales from the Loop is basically an unlicensed Stranger Things Rpg isn't it? It's actually based on some really sweet art books by Simon Stålenhag, the first of which came out in 2015, although the RPG did come after Stranger Things dropped, yeah. I guess it might be called convergent evolution.
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In a vacuum I think that RPG description would be a yellow flag at worst, kid with a hot mom is part of the "wacky hijinks" cliche of 80s and 90s movies, though not a part that aged well. I just looked up the example from Bill & Ted and *shudder* I don't know how much is culture shift and how much is being 35 now and knowing better but that was skeevy as heck. It's in hindsight with later developments that the flag turns to a red one.
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SpaceViking posted:Hi, I'm a professional counselor and treatment provider who works with people who have committed sex offenses, including pedophiles. Let me go ahead and state that sexual desire isn't the sort of thing that goes away the more you explore it, and in fact the opposite is true. Sexual desire tends to increase in strength the more time and energy you put into it, so there is no 'safe' way for someone who is sexually attracted to children to act it out without increasing the likelihood that they're going to offend against a child. Hey someone who is actually qualified! Thanks for the info. It's good to have a clear answer on it.
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Bruceski posted:In a vacuum I think that RPG description would be a yellow flag at worst, kid with a hot mom is part of the "wacky hijinks" cliche of 80s and 90s movies, though not a part that aged well. I just looked up the example from Bill & Ted and *shudder* I don't know how much is culture shift and how much is being 35 now and knowing better but that was skeevy as heck. It's in hindsight with later developments that the flag turns to a red one. The description on its own is maybe not a red flag, but the fact that this is the only game in that listing that mentions an age requirement, much less 18+, is like two red flags. Especially because the list also includes two Call of Cthulhu games and a smattering of other horror-themed ones. I'm actually kind of surprised that the organizer didn't pause and do some more digging when the guy wanted a game set up with two warnings for 18+ players. Like hey buddy, what is you are planning to do here exactly?
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Ashcans posted:The description on its own is maybe not a red flag, but the fact that this is the only game in that listing that mentions an age requirement, much less 18+, is like two red flags. Especially because the list also includes two Call of Cthulhu games and a smattering of other horror-themed ones. I'm actually kind of surprised that the organizer didn't pause and do some more digging when the guy wanted a game set up with two warnings for 18+ players. Like hey buddy, what is you are planning to do here exactly? Somehow I missed seeing that at all. Yikes.
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That game is gross and I'd say running its equivalent at home among consenting players would also be gross. On the topic of shock tactics to recruit among the little Hitlers, I wonder if the real thing they end up searching for is people who are easily bullied as much as people who are going to be enthusiastic about Bedford Forrest-chan's Night Lolitas. They need people to boss around, obviously; otherwise where's the fun?
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It’s probably possible to do a wacky teenage comedy RPG session complete with hot step mom hijinx, but I think it’s one of those things where you basically have to be really sharp and do everything exactly right or it’s gonna come off as insanely creepy. I certainly wouldn’t do it as a public game random people can sign up for, and I definitely wouldn’t trust that guy to do it.
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Loomer posted:If your kink involves children or other people incapable of consenting - and in this case it does in a way that even the daddy dom stuff doesn't - it doesn't get the usual 'well, whatever floats your boat' protection. Safe, sane, consensual. That is the standard for differentiating between 'your kink is not my kink but your kink is okay' and 'call the police'. Most reasonable humans have a strong aversion to sexualizing children. Children are incapable of meaningful consent, same as people with impaired mental function (due to medical status or intoxication) or animals. That said, it doesn't really apply here. Even if we give it a pass because the players are all consenting adults, this is not a subject matter for a gaming convention. It is always a creepy and violating thing to involve others in your kinks without their knowledge or consent, and that is exactly what this guy is doing by dragging his out into public. You could maybe argue it off as doing a very 80's coming of age movie thing, but not with his more recent actions to provide context.
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Just to provide further info, the sleepover Tales from the Loop was not the game that had the rape scene at the UKGE. As far as I know, the actual game was Things from the Depth, with the description being about some lads going to Ibiza. Which doesn’t exonerate how disgusting it is to run a game like that.
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Tekopo posted:Just to provide further info, the sleepover Tales from the Loop was not the game that had the rape scene at the UKGE. As far as I know, the actual game was Things from the Depth, with the description being about some lads going to Ibiza. Which doesn’t exonerate how disgusting it is to run a game like that. Where'd you pick that up? I've seen Tales from The Loop reported a lot.
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The BBC report noted it was a Things From the Flood game that he got thrown out over, IIRC. If not it was confirmed by one of the players on Twitter. Think it's a couple pages back in the TG chat thread.
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I saw it originally on Twitter on either the twitter of one of the players or the person that found it was Kevin (Jessica price iirc). The wayback machine doesn’t actually have the pages stored but it does show that the only 18+ game that Kevin ran on Friday was Things from the Flood. There’s no Tales from the Loop 18+ game from him on Friday. https://web.archive.org/web/20190514210802/https://www.ukgamesexpo.co.uk/bookevents.php?category=rpg
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I keep using Tales from The Loop and Things from The Flood interchangeably because I'm an idiot.
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Tekopo posted:Just to provide further info, the sleepover Tales from the Loop was not the game that had the rape scene at the UKGE. As far as I know, the actual game was Things from the Depth, with the description being about some lads going to Ibiza. Which doesn’t exonerate how disgusting it is to run a game like that.
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A bit of lowkey fash I haven't seen mentioned yet https://www.facebook.com/TheImperialHerald/ Warhammer 40k "satire" page that basically take various rightwing talking points and rephrases them in a 40k context to avoid getting taken down. I've seen this pop up on FB quite a bit over the past few months and the overall narrative of the thing seems to be Imperium are whites, and Chaos are the myriad combined forces of SJWs, immigrants, Jewish people, the left, etc. Makes the questionable choice of casting their opponents as the more badass faction that is 100% gonna win, which is odd? Generally the mask doesn't slip and they'll always have "it's satire of a dumb sci-fi setting, what are you mad about?" to fall back on because a lot of their topics are niche and rely on intimate knowledge of rightwing talking points. Unsurprisingly these get posted a lot of apolitical 40k groups and don't really get a second glance because if you're not inundated in this poo poo it can be hard to notice.
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Deified Data posted:Makes the questionable choice of casting their opponents as the more badass faction that is 100% gonna win, which is odd?  Basically if the Evil Hordes aren't within hailing distance of victory AT LEAST, nothing they do makes any sense, there's no need for a fuhrer, etc. You even notice this in their discourse, it's never "We have a great many people crossing the border; we need to spend more money on monitoring and barriers," it's "illegal disaster crisis invasion WALL".
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I had a glance and holy poo poo that's proper fash bullshit. Not even a dogwhistle, just a whistle. "Spacebook bans Pro-Imperial and Pro-Human groups" at the same time Facebook banned the BNP, EDL, and Britain First "Astra Miliatarum publishes new guidelines to help spot Imperial extremists in their ranks" right after the British Army's guide to spotting extreme-right-wing soldiers leaked online.
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DigitalRaven posted:I had a glance and holy poo poo that's proper fash bullshit. Not even a dogwhistle, just a whistle. I mean the imperial extremists thing seems sound.
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