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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:GW put so much money into their plastic stuff that their resin team somehow atrophied. What I don't understand is how they have a perfectly functional resin with FW but refuse to merge. Far as I can tell, when GW went from pewter to resin they used the same molds as before and it just didn't work out like they expected. They spent decades casting stuff in pewter and they didn't really have the experience with resin at the start, and somehow over the 8-odd years since they never bothered to correct it. Which, I can't entirely blame them for. The majority of their releases are plastic, and the high-end "boutique" stuff is handled mostly by Forgeworld. Why they don't just drop it entirely is beyond me.
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Booley posted:lmao the only thing less functional than FW resin is finecast. It's not exactly much of a step up. It's been awhile since I've used it so that's entirely possible. Still it seems dumb to use two lovely resins instead of one.
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Jun 3, 2019 22:29
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FWs resin casting process is horrendous bottom of the barrel trash. Saying that, I have had stuff from them in finecast in the past. Smaller infantry upgrades. I've still got some parts of it that get wheeeld out because people never believe me.
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Slimnoid posted:Far as I can tell, when GW went from pewter to resin they used the same molds as before and it just didn't work out like they expected. They spent decades casting stuff in pewter and they didn't really have the experience with resin at the start, and somehow over the 8-odd years since they never bothered to correct it. Probably because too many of their old lines have cores of fine cast versions of old metal models, radar aspect warriors, etc. The metal probably costs too much for it to be worth it to switch a majority back, not to mention bad pr as it would mean admitting fault. 
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Jun 3, 2019 22:41
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If they can scan in Guillermo del Toro's head for a video game surely they can scan an old metal mini and create perfect new moulds for it. Surely they can insert a substance that is good for making models into the mould. This seems easy.
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Jun 3, 2019 22:47
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JBP posted:If they can scan in Guillermo del Toro's head for a video game surely they can scan an old metal mini and create perfect new moulds for it. Surely they can insert a substance that is good for making models into the mould. This seems easy. Yeah but that would be effort and money, why spend it on old models when you can put that effort towards new products like the paints or new minis that will make money hand over fist? (Not stating that I agree, but it is a reasonable conclusion to draw)
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Jun 3, 2019 22:50
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R0ckfish posted:Yeah but that would be effort and money, why spend it on old models when you can put that effort towards new products like the paints or new minis that will make money hand over fist? Yeah from a business perspective, focusing on new plastic models is the logical way to go. There's a market for the old metal models, for sure, and they do bring out some of the "classic" models every couple of months for a week or so, but I can't imagine the amount of people who want all the old metal models is enough to warrant focusing on improving their resin casting.
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Jun 3, 2019 23:03
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Slimnoid posted:Yeah from a business perspective, focusing on new plastic models is the logical way to go. There's a market for the old metal models, for sure, and they do bring out some of the "classic" models every couple of months for a week or so, but I can't imagine the amount of people who want all the old metal models is enough to warrant focusing on improving their resin casting. I'm more thinking that FW exists but I don't know how they interact with each other.
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Slimnoid posted:Yeah from a business perspective, focusing on new plastic models is the logical way to go. There's a market for the old metal models, for sure, and they do bring out some of the "classic" models every couple of months for a week or so, but I can't imagine the amount of people who want all the old metal models is enough to warrant focusing on improving their resin casting. Didn't they do end up using a different formulation? Or did they just stop using the Finecast name?
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Jun 3, 2019 23:11
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I'm pretty sure they just stopped using the name because it was so tainted by the awful launch.
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Jun 3, 2019 23:15
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One thing I am interested to see is how they use forgeworld in the upcoming years, I would wonder if they will get anything besides super heavies and specialist games stuff. If they were previously using them to produce expected to be lower volume of sales during the period where their spare funds were low, it's possible they might move upcoming releases to plastic similar to how they did so with titanicus.
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R0ckfish posted:One thing I am interested to see is how they use forgeworld in the upcoming years, I would wonder if they will get anything besides super heavies and specialist games stuff. If they were previously using them to produce expected to be lower volume of sales during the period where their spare funds were low, it's possible they might move upcoming releases to plastic similar to how they did so with titanicus. They've done 30k plastic starter boxes/basic troops as well. I dumped 30k because it was too expensive and also difficult to get games compared to 40k and now AOS which is going really well in Melbourne
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GW resin, or Finecast as was, is poo poo because using the moulds and machines intended for metal lead to them having to use a resin with all the properties of A dead cat trapped behind a radiator. FW resin is poo poo because FW's production process revolves around screaming obscenities and then going on a dirty protest if anyone suggests they stop pretending to be a grog in a shed.
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Jun 4, 2019 00:16
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For as much pain as plastic's clean up can be, I'm still trying to pin these trolls and my god i wish these were not metal.
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I’m about to try adding tufts to my bases for the first time. Should I be doing this after I’ve varnished a model or before? I use a spray can varnish and spray the whole thing including the base. Will this gently caress up any tufts that might be glued to the base?
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Jun 4, 2019 00:48
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Gunder posted:I’m about to try adding tufts to my bases for the first time. Should I be doing this after I’ve varnished a model or before? I use a spray can varnish and spray the whole thing including the base. Will this gently caress up any tufts that might be glued to the base? I always varnish first, then flock/tuft.
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Jun 4, 2019 00:51
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Painting them Tan and Blue boys I posted a full tutorial for my Ot Neba scheme.
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Jun 4, 2019 00:54
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I have an old vampire counts coach that I want to paint but I don't like the old skeletal horses. Does any brand do good skeletal horses as either solo minis or I don't know, come with extra ones in a box?
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Jun 4, 2019 00:59
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Marzipan Pig posted:I have an old vampire counts coach that I want to paint but I don't like the old skeletal horses. GW has some skeletal horses available. The Hexwraith box comes with five, which for you basically means a bunch of bits and extra horses. They look a little better than the ones the black coach came with, but they also have cloth on them, which may not be what you're looking for. Similarly, Dreadblade Harrows set is 2 horses and are ghostly ones missing the rear half of their bodies. They're only partly skeletal, but it'd put it more in line with the new black coach if that's something you care about. Reaper has some skeletal horses as well. Cheapest one at $10 is the Deathrider. Ironwind has three types of undead horse, each for $5: one, two, and three. Essex has a skeletal horse as well. It's unclear if the listing means you get two of them for that price or not.
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Thank you! I will check those out. Wow I completely missed whenever GW started doing coloured plastic. I finally, after having it sat there for two years, started using my H&S infinity airbrush. It's amazing, I can't believe what a step up it is from my battered iwata neos. Im doing tiny bits on my Knight with it and I can't believe how fine it goes.
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I'd like to know more about how you're liking the Infinity after a while. The nicest brush I've got is a Sotar, which is okay, but not really an earthshattering upgrade from the Patriot I use basically all the time.
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I was about to prime some metal minis but realized just in time it was Tayamia for *plastics* Primer. I have Vallejo, gouche, and a two year old can of Krylon - what would be best on metal? EDIT: It's gesso, not gouche. Twincityhacker fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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Jun 4, 2019 15:38
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Twincityhacker posted:I was about to prime some metal mini's but realized just in time it was Tayamia for *plastics* Primer. Stynylrez. 
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Brock Samsonite posted:Stynylrez. I was thinking about it, but my FLGS doesn't carry it, and I would have to brush it on. But if none of those work on metal I will.
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Yesterday was my one year wedding anniversary, but my wife came down sick so my day off turned into a painting marathon. Managed to get a unit of Tully Sworn Shields mostly done for the ASOIAF game.      I realized once I finished my 12 hour painting session and took photos of them that I got the shields wrong - the blue is supposed to be on the bottom. Ah well, i'm certainly not redoing them. Happy with how they turned out - armor is VMA Metal Colour Dur Aluminium and Aluminium. Plate is washed with Nuln Oil, scales are washed with Guilliman Blue glaze. I'll take some proper photos of them once they're done being painted and based.
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Twincityhacker posted:I was about to prime some metal minis but realized just in time it was Tayamia for *plastics* Primer. This stuff? (Or the fine version?) It works for plastics and metal, at least according to Tamiya.
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It's https://www.tamiyausa.com/shop/spray-ts-plastics/ts-3-dark-yellow/ which is, uh, the equivalent to a layer paint I think? There was going to be more than one mistake going on if I had actually gone out and painted them. 
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Vallejo and the Krylon will both work on metal, but you'll definitely want to scrub them with some soapy water to knock off the mold release agent.
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Yeah, I scrubbed them yesterday with dish soap after I took off the flashing. I am beginning to think the actual problem here was trying to paint before coffee.
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Harkano posted:Please help me figure out my Drukhari scheme. I think I'm pretty happy with how the black marble is turning out on my evil elf spaceship (Kabal of the Black Shark) but I'm struggling with what the complimentary colour should be. Also does the black marble sell? Cross-asking!
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My immediate thought was to make the gold more shiny/metallic/bright so you have some more bright to match with the gems inside the marble, but that might not get the "evil" vibe you're going for. Maybe something dark, and then highlight the lines along the "panels" in the wings/tail with gold so gold is an ornate accent for the piece rather than the entire edge? Or keep the gold itself as the base and run additional lightness along those lines. I definitely feel like it could use something to break up the big blocks of color because otherwise it looks a little odd when immediately sitting next to the nice marbling throughout the rest of the piece. Just my two cents as a non-artist.
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Harkano posted:Cross-asking! I dig the look, although I'm not sure I would have gotten black marble without you saying it - it almost has like a scuffed, tarnished pewter look? For the metal detailing, since you've got that turquoise going on the gems, maybe a gold with a hint of green in it would tie things together, like Scale 75s Necro Gold? Another option might be a deep, warm copper color - this mini isn't even remotely similar, but you can see the way the that triad of black-grey, copper, and blue-green interact: 
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:I dig the look, although I'm not sure I would have gotten black marble without you saying it - it almost has like a scuffed, tarnished pewter look? For the metal detailing, since you've got that turquoise going on the gems, maybe a gold with a hint of green in it would tie things together, like Scale 75s Necro Gold? I'm not crazy attached to the Gems, I just wanted to try the GW gem paint. I do have Necro Gold to try - any idea what paint that beautiful orange-y copper is?
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Harkano posted:I'm not crazy attached to the Gems, I just wanted to try the GW gem paint. I do have Necro Gold to try - any idea what paint that beautiful orange-y copper is? The blog that's from doesn't name the colors specifically, but he said he's using all Scale 75 stuff, so I'm almost certain that's Pure Copper for the orange-y tone, highlighted up with Amber Alchemy and shaded with Decaying Metal. edit: For reference, here's something painted with Pure Copper and built up with glazes of the rose-tinted Ruby Alchemy: On the left leg you can see what Pure Copper looks like relatively un-glazed. 
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Starting this guy tonight and probably for the rest of the week:
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Hey Melbourne goons, where do you get your gaming stuff from? I've been thinking about picking up some supplies depending on how many old paints I can salvage. I live a fair few hours away, but every few months I'm in the city and could pick up stuff in person. It'd be a nice way to temper my usual buy way too loving much poo poo at once when getting back in.
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Knobb Manwich posted:Hey Melbourne goons, where do you get your gaming stuff from? I've been thinking about picking up some supplies depending on how many old paints I can salvage. I live a fair few hours away, but every few months I'm in the city and could pick up stuff in person. It'd be a nice way to temper my usual buy way too loving much poo poo at once when getting back in. I like metro hobbies and mind games in the city. Like they're not super cheap or anything but they'll have what you want 99% of the time.
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Knobb Manwich posted:Hey Melbourne goons, where do you get your gaming stuff from? I've been thinking about picking up some supplies depending on how many old paints I can salvage. I live a fair few hours away, but every few months I'm in the city and could pick up stuff in person. It'd be a nice way to temper my usual buy way too loving much poo poo at once when getting back in. Mind games are good for stock but a bit expensive. Guf in Werribee is well priced but stock is mostly order in.
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JBP posted:I like metro hobbies and mind games in the city. Like they're not super cheap or anything but they'll have what you want 99% of the time. Cheers mate. tehsid posted:Mind games are good for stock but a bit expensive. Guf in Werribee is well priced but stock is mostly order in. Thanks. Werribee is a bit far out for me but they do have one in Ballarat I could maybe hit up passing through.
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Goddamnit Scale75 just released a set of eight new inks I had plans for that money.
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