AJ_Impy posted:B. How about Tsargrad? A lot likelier with C, but if I can advance far enough to reach it, sure I can add it to the list. V. Illych L. posted:where is the russian government seated anyway they lost smolensk like five times Gorki I guess.
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Also I'm busy atm, so I'll close the vote tonight hopefully. I think I also want to settle the question of the Frankish partition before the next update as well, since time is running short.
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Hashim posted:I also want to settle the question of the Frankish partition before the next update as well, since time is running short. Take everything west of where the nukes land.
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Jun 4, 2019 06:06
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Do to France what the real world Allies did to Prussia.quote:The Prussian State which from early days has been a bearer of militarism and reaction in Germany has de facto ceased to exist.
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Jun 4, 2019 12:50
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Hashim posted:Also I'm busy atm, so I'll close the vote tonight hopefully. I think I also want to settle the question of the Frankish partition before the next update as well, since time is running short. Seven state solution is the only way to go.
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Jun 4, 2019 13:28
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Everything east of Hamburg is gonna be either glass or covered in fallout from everywhere else being turned into glass, let's be careful not to be too harsh on the Franks when they're gonna have like half of the population, industry, and land left that's been only lightly irradiated. I mean some moderate partitioning and a thorough de-Nazification is needed, but let's not go full Versailles.
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Jun 4, 2019 13:36
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Crazycryodude posted:Everything east of Hamburg is gonna be either glass or covered in fallout from everywhere else being turned into glass, let's be careful not to be too harsh on the Franks when they're gonna have like half of the population, industry, and land left that's been only lightly irradiated. I mean some moderate partitioning and a thorough de-Nazification is needed, but let's not go full Versailles. Versailles was an incredibly lenient peace treaty considering the size of the war it ended and considering the peace Germany would have imposed had they won, and the actual problem was that Germany never accepted that they were beaten and so saw even incredibly lenient peace terms as a horrendous humiliation. So the solution is to occupy France, make it absolutely clear that they were beaten and they were the bad guys, and force them to accept a harsh peace that reflects that fact, the way the Allies did in 1945 instead of the way they did in 1918.
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iberian boots are on the ground in paris and the commandant was killed by his own people if they haven't realised that they lost they're deaf and blind
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V. Illych L. posted:iberian boots are on the ground in paris and the commandant was killed by his own people If there's two things fascists are known for, it's "a realistic view of politics both local and international" and "not resurfacing later on, even after they've been conclusively shown to be paper tigers with monstrous and self-destructive policy platforms"
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Jun 4, 2019 16:31
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Let's see how many people are willing to identify as fascists still after being thoroughly beaten.
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Jun 4, 2019 16:55
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ChaseSP posted:Let's see how many people are willing to identify as fascists still after being thoroughly beaten. I had to check to see what thread and forum I was in, but it doesn't matter because this is still correct.
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So if I'm reading this right, the plan is to use the whole of France as ablative armor.
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 Vote over! Decisive victory for C, so full-out nuclear war it is.A — 5 — NewMars, ZearothK, skipThings, QuoProQuid, Pacho. B — 34 — Ibblebibble, Pakled, Kangxi, MaxieSatan, Moon Slayer, Grammarchist, Zikan, WilliamAnderson, Soup du Jour, zedar, Technowolf, everydayfalls, Sanzh, Mr.Morgenstern, sheep-dodger, Snipee, crimea, Xelkelvos, willing to settle, Beamed, Dreissi, Tiger Crazy, vyelkin, RabidWeasel, Average Lettuce, Shogeton, Hutter, Ikasuhito, AJ_Impy, Lynneth, Luhood, Eleven Eleven, oystertoadfish, iLurk. C — 54 — paragon1, Slaan, ChaseSP, Chief Savage Man, TheFlyingLlama, Freudian, Crazycryodude, CommissarMega, Lord Cyrahzax, wiegieman, stab, sloshmonger, Archaeology Hat, mcclay, Kayten, Jeoh, rudecyrus, RagnarokZ, Rubix Squid, Erwin the German, Ghost of Mussolini, devildragon777, Akratic Method, Rody One Half, puppets freak me out, ThatBasqueGuy, Super Jay Mann, McGavin, Frionnel, Mantis42, Red John, Sampatrick, HiHo ChiRho, GenderSelectScreen, Pratan, LordGugs, Negrostrike, Polgas, GSD, The Bold Kobold, Talas, aqu, tildes, Innocent_Bystander, BlackJosh, Dance Officer, habeasdorkus, GrabbinPeels, Dr_Gee, SleuthDiplomacy, frankenfreak, V. Illych L., Jesenjin, Stalingrad. Frankish vote will be up soon.
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Jun 4, 2019 18:49
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I am certain that our willingness to use such a terrible weapon without reservation or hesitation will cause the enemy to capitulate and never seek war with us again.
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Jun 4, 2019 18:57
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And if I am wrong we'll have nothing to worry about ever again, so this plan is guaranteed to succeed either way.
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Jun 4, 2019 18:58
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Hashim posted:
We are become death
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Jun 4, 2019 18:58
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🎵 Bomb, bomb, bomb Verdun... 🎵
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If you thought there was any more appropriate way for this to end you have not paid attention. We're going to show Jerusalem how to end an LP right.
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Rody One Half posted:If you thought there was any more appropriate way for this to end you have not paid attention. Al-Andalus... Al-Andalus never changes... OTOH, I agree with the fella who said that the Russians have handed us the greatest justification for nuclear retaliation in history
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Jun 4, 2019 19:38
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It’s an outright majority too, not just a plurality
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Jun 4, 2019 19:43
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Well, they started it. We're just following the inevitable logic of this here hellworld.
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Man are the Russians going to be surprised when instead of meekly seeking peace we start nuking them tit for tat... and then some.
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So I wonder how this blows up in our faces.
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Point is our war has always been a just war for the international proletariat and absolutely not just us venting centuries long embedded grudges against France, the Almoravids, and the Russians that have survived multiple revolutions and changes of the guard.
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Jun 4, 2019 20:04
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Well um... the Westerlies are with us, at least. The fallen of Frankfurt will carry slow death to the Russians with their own atomized remains.
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So long Qadis, Queen of Cities! It was nice knowing you!
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QuoProQuid posted:So long Qadis, Queen of Cities! It was nice knowing you! The bomber always gets through.
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Like I said, not many years to go so we’re gonna have to do the vote on the partition of Francia and Italy now as well. Won't be open for as long though, I wanna get cracking on the last couple updates. And yeah, there are a lot of options and it'll probably get confusing, but this is the last vote so what the hell. Fate of the Frankish Realm Another question brought up in this session of the Socialist Shura is the fate of the Frankish Realm, with a number of prominent ministers presenting differing plans as to how to best partition the captured territories. The Supreme Leader has already made two decisions — First, Provence will be restored to all their lost territories, with interest; Second, the Iberian Union will directly annex all lands up to the River Garrone, so as to ensure that the Red Army will have a convenient base from which to operate across Europe. The fates of the rest of France, Holland and Britain are still up for scrutiny, however, with the many differing propositions narrowed down to seven: A — Socialist union of France and Britain — We will need allies in the wars to come, and just as fascism in the Frankish Realm replaced monarchism in the Dual Monarchy, some ministers have argued that installing a communist regime in an otherwise-stable country would be the most prudent option, giving Iberia a powerful ally against her enemies. B — France + Britain — The threat posed by a Franco-British union cannot be allowed to continue, but we still need allies, allies that are largely self-sufficient and won’t be a burden on Qadis. Therefore some ministers have proposed the foundation of socialist republics in Britain and France, with no further dismantling beyond that. C — Dismantled France + Britain — It would be sensible to create a sizeable ally in a socialist republic of Britain, but the rest of mainland Francia must be partitioned into rump states that will necessarily be dependent on Qadis. They are the eternal enemies of Iberia, and only by completely dismantling them, their industry and their military can that threat be eradicated. D — Dismantled France + Dismantled Britain — The union between Britain and France wreaked havoc on the rest of the continent for over a century, so it must never be allowed to happen again, and the only way to ensure that is by completely dismantling both Britain and France. Communism will be enforced by the sword, their industry will be destroyed, their militaries will abolished, and at long last Iberia’s dominance will go unchallenged. E — Dismantled France + England + Wales + Scotland to Celts — The Frankish Realm must be dismantled in territory and industry, they are our perennial enemies and their partitioning is undebatable, but our allies in the Celtic Union ought to be compensated for their sacrifices by being restored to their old territories in Scotland, with an independent socialist republic erected in England. F — Dismantled France + Britain to Celts — The mainland territories of the Frankish Realm will be completely dismantled, of course, but their holdings in Britain would surely be better utilised by being granted to our allies in the Celtic Union, restoring them to their old heights as masters of the British Isles and perhaps setting them up to become a regional power once again. G — France + Britain to Celts — Last of the prominent proposals is to keep a united France as a bulwark against Iberia's enemies whilst restoring Britain to the Celtic Union, thereby giving us two powerful allies in the conflicts and wars of the future. *Dismantled France = Brittany, Normandy, Paris, Loire, Burgundy, Benelux regions are independent. *Dismantled Britain = England, Wales, Scotland regions are independent. ————— Fate of Italy Lastly, the fate of the Italian peninsula must also be decided, though this one should be much simpler than that of the Frankish Realm. The Supreme Leader has already taken steps to dissolve the Papal States, and has narrowed the many proposals here down to five options: A — Annex south Italy + free north Italy — It has been many long centuries since Qadis last controlled any sizeable amount of territory in southern Italy, and whilst this would undoubtedly be met with scorn and anger on the international stage, a few ministers have advised that the outright annexation of southern Italy and the installation of a communist regime in northern Italy would be the best course to ensure stability in the peninsula. B — Annex Sicily + unite Italy — A less extreme party in the assembly have suggested simply annexing the island of Sicily (under the pretence of a temporary military occupation), whilst allowing the formation of a united Italy for the first time in millennia, albeit one that would certainly C — Annex Sicily + free north Italy + free south Italy — In addition to the annexation of Sicily, this proposal cautions against immediate unification of the peninsula, with hostilities between the muslim south and christian north still bleeding into the everyday life amongst the populace, and instead starting the transition towards communism by establishing separate socialist republics in the north and south. Unification can come later down the line. D — Free north Italy + free south Italy — The least aggressive and most stable of the many proposals submitted to the assembly, this option suggests the simple installation of socialist governments in the former territories of Palermo and Italy, without any thoughts of unification in the near or distant future. E — Unite Italy — Finally, a number of prominent ministers have proposed an ambitious plan whereby the peninsula will be united in its entirety, giving us a strong ally in a traditionally-unstable region of Europe, albeit one that will likely be fraught with internal discontent and civil infighting. I've tried to include most of the suggested partitions, but this'll be it. There are more than enough options here, take your pick. hashashash fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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Franks: D The ultimate castration. Italy: Also D Throw Italy a bone before they melt in nuclear hellfire. Super Jay Mann fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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France earned this Also Southern Italy is our clay Lord Cyrahzax fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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Jun 4, 2019 20:32
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D forming countries that haven’t existed for centuries is an Extremely Good Idea imo C for Italy Zikan fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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Jun 4, 2019 20:33
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England will return after however many centuries. Also C Thordain fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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What, exactly, would we be nuking? There's a massive buffer of Russian-occupied territory between us and the Russian heartland, full of Germans and Serbs and Poles and other non-Russians. We would be striking at and devastating peoples under the yoke of imperialism while barely wounding their oppressor, or even worse at communist allies currently under foreign rule.
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G D. Changed my mind. Don’t like a non-dismembered France, but we need stable allies to take down Russia once and for all. Soup du Jour fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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G G G Baby Baby Edit: Italian B Xelkelvos fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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F EDIT: B for Italy Eleven Eleven fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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Jun 4, 2019 20:35
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B Obviously can't leave them intact, but all the dismantlements have the express goal of crippling the target's industry which seems like a REALLY bad idea, both for finishing the war and for reconstruction post-war. A whole lot of the world's industrial base and population is about to turn into ash or at least get pretty hot for the next few decades, we don't need to be crippling and dismantling major industrial bases when world communism is gonna need every iota of productivity and capital it can get. Italy: B Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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The people of England deserve to be free! C for Italy. Ikasuhito fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Jun 5, 2019 |
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