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Yeah if you are going to push US around, you might as well push it when Trump is running the show and US is beefing with Iran, China and 80% of the world.
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tino posted:Yeah if you are going to push US around, you might as well push it when Trump is running the show and US is beefing with Iran, China and 80% of the world. I know that he probably won't listen to him, but I wouldn't gently caress around while Bolton has his ear
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Bolton couldn't even successfully execute a coup in Venezuela, he is to be laughed at, not feared.
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Willo567 posted:I know that he probably won't listen to him, but I wouldn't gently caress around while Bolton has his ear Nobody has orange turd's ear for long. Kim just need plant a rumor on twitter.
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yea bolton is caught in the shockingly fitting hell of finally having a president so stupid he just claps and smiles whenever a Real Military Man says anything that he could probably manipulate into starting any war he wants, but to be that stupid he also is stuck with the attention span of a fly and a genuine belief that the worst part of war is having a lot of people yell at him for starting it
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and now the dead guy is undead. we must invade the dprk to obtain their reanimation technology 'Executed' North Korean diplomat is alive, sources say
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Willo567 posted:https://twitter.com/ArmsControlWonk/status/1135601926022713347 Well the North Koreans themselves have set a deadline for the end of the year to strike a deal with Trump. So if and when that time passes without a deal,my guess is we will be seeing more ICBM tests. Possibly more nuke tests
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R. Guyovich posted:and now the dead guy is undead. we must invade the dprk to obtain their reanimation technology I guess their fall back position is to blame the South Korean source, not themselves (or other Western outlets) for blasting it without pretending to check its validity.
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Jun 4, 2019 16:17
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Ardennes posted:I guess their fall back position is to blame the South Korean source, not themselves (or other Western outlets) for blasting it without pretending to check its validity.
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Jun 4, 2019 16:31
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I'm sorry sir but are you suggesting journalists should fact check or vet sources? That's ridiculous. Why, they wouldn't have enough time left over to fabricate stories or press the "Generate Clickbait" button! Yeah, that or especially fact check stories about a country like North Korea which obviously the US really doesn't along with. It is also why it is so difficult to really tell what is happening since it is so easy to be gaslight from every direction (including from non-Western outlets). Hell, you can watch different youtube videos about NK and get radically different perceptions of what it is going on. North Korea can look like a middle-income industrial state or completely impoverished depending on your choice of source. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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Jun 4, 2019 16:48
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Does SK has their version of "China Uncensored" that just make up poo poo every 3 months for western consumption?
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At this point I just assume whenever one of these "NK official purged via howitzer" stories comes out that the North Koreans (or maybe just one bored North Korean) planted the story to troll foreign journalists.
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Jun 4, 2019 16:54
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Ardennes posted:Yeah, that or especially fact check stories about a country like North Korea which obviously the US really doesn't along with. It is also why it is so difficult to really tell what is happening since it is so easy to be gaslight from every direction
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Jun 4, 2019 16:59
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I think gaslighting implies more thought and intentionality than US journalists are really capable of. They're just lazy as gently caress and parroting whatever they read in a press release is what they're gonna do. Eh, in the case of North Korea (and now Russia and China) I think it is intentional by at least the editors, the usually journalists themselves just cut and paste from whatever wire-service sends this stuff out.
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Jun 4, 2019 17:14
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tino posted:Does SK has their version of "China Uncensored" that just make up poo poo every 3 months for western consumption? South Korea is a US client state so there isn't any demand for smear job outfits like that.
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Jun 4, 2019 17:23
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:At this point I just assume whenever one of these "NK official purged via howitzer" stories comes out that the North Koreans (or maybe just one bored North Korean) planted the story to troll foreign journalists. nah it's typically SK saber rattlers/infowars types. You see this in waves, it always just happens to come after the west makes any signs of acknowledgement or agreement with North Korea, then we magically get a story with zero sources saying 'ACTUALLY the savage Kim had his closet adviser, uncle, and childhood best friend shot into the ocean strapped to a big rock from a slingshot, proving how insane and just plain evil he is and not to be talked to'.
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Jun 4, 2019 17:30
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Mainstrem audiences have always believed almpst anything that is posted or discussed about the DPRK. Remember when KjU first showed off his ANTHRAX LABS and western media blew up?
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Mainstrem audiences have always believed almpst anything that is posted or discussed about the DPRK. Granted, they usually don't have any alternative. Like I said, maybe you might be a random youtube video.
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Jun 4, 2019 19:23
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tino posted:Does SK has their version of "China Uncensored" that just make up poo poo every 3 months for western consumption? Is that that nerdy white dude with a falun gong wife who always needs to wedge a little something about how good but oppressed falun gong is?
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Baronjutter posted:Is that that nerdy white dude with a falun gong wife who always needs to wedge a little something about how good but oppressed falun gong is? It is a Falun Gong outlet but maybe you mean someone else, one of the ADvChina guys?
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Jun 4, 2019 20:19
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Mozi posted:They're loving east asian analysts, they're putting their opinions out there because that's their job. And they tend to be correct (or at least grounded in fact). How can you look at these tweets and tell me it's not chicken littleing https://twitter.com/NarangVipin/status/1127015505980739584 https://twitter.com/NarangVipin/status/1127391822031085574 https://twitter.com/NarangVipin/status/1128113401228611584 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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imagine being an adult in 2019 and thinking that Russia, Iran, or NK have literally any interest in nuking the US, let alone are pressing dangers we're heading to at some kind of rapid pace. Imagine being that stupid and getting a loving paycheck as an expert on national security and foriegn policy. The blob is such a good grift, I gotta find a way to get in on it. If you guys see some new Foreign Affairs piece about how we MUST increase our military support of Mongolia to check China's very real and not made up goal of invading Alaska that's me, don't ratio me until I can buy a cool house or something.
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Jun 5, 2019 04:04
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Ardennes posted:Hell, you can watch different youtube videos about NK and get radically different perceptions of what it is going on. North Korea can look like a middle-income industrial state or completely impoverished depending on your choice of source. The same thing is true about any country on the planet. Even reporting about South Korea, a country about which we allegedly have free access, is marred by the same problem of people jumping to weird racist explanations. It's just that in that case the racist explanations tend toward kpop and plastic surgery and stereotypes of the whole country being rich which are every bit as worthless and innaccurate as their North Korean equivalent of explaining literally everything as wacky totalitarian communism.
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sexpig by night posted:imagine being an adult in 2019 and thinking that Russia, Iran, or NK have literally any interest in nuking the US, let alone are pressing dangers we're heading to at some kind of rapid pace. Imagine being that stupid and getting a loving paycheck as an expert on national security and foriegn policy. The "Blob" actually collectively shat on Trump and very few work in his administration.
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tino posted:The "Blob" actually collectively shat on Trump and very few work in his administration. that's just completely not true. Sure a lot of them have mainly because he dared say Iraq was dumb and trying to pull out of Syria but the fact that he literally got told no by his generals in a deeply creepy moment should be all the proof you need that the blob is alive and well in the Trump white house The blob is made up of way more McCains than McRavens, they both handwring that aw gee isn't Trump just so CRASS about our desire to glass half the middle east to increase Boeing stock but the McCains will always fall in line.
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sexpig by night posted:imagine being an adult in 2019 and thinking that Russia, Iran, or NK have literally any interest in nuking the US, let alone are pressing dangers we're heading to at some kind of rapid pace. My boomer father has been telling me we're going to get into a big war with china soon, reminding me at least once a year, for the past 20 years. You can't fix stupid.
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tino posted:The "Blob" actually collectively shat on Trump and very few work in his administration. w/r/t china many in the think tank industrial complex are saying things like "i don't like trump but he's got china totally right." they've done this with venezuela as well, criticizing trump but then agreeing with him on his imperialist policy anyway. besides if you work at one of those outlets you're doing the work of the us gov no matter who's in the big chair
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That was amusingly enough also their position when Trump was yelling on twitter about fire and fury back in 2017. Foreign policy people were angrier when Trump reopened negotiations with North Korea than they were when he was actively threatening war with them. They're still mad at him right now for not being sufficiently angry about whatever random weapons test North Korea happens to be doing at the moment.
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Some Guy TT posted:That was amusingly enough also their position when Trump was yelling on twitter about fire and fury back in 2017. Foreign policy people were angrier when Trump reopened negotiations with North Korea than they were when he was actively threatening war with them. They're still mad at him right now for not being sufficiently angry about whatever random weapons test North Korea happens to be doing at the moment. What, they were right and still is right about Trump's position on NK.
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Some Guy TT posted:That was amusingly enough also their position when Trump was yelling on twitter about fire and fury back in 2017. Foreign policy people were angrier when Trump reopened negotiations with North Korea than they were when he was actively threatening war with them. They're still mad at him right now for not being sufficiently angry about whatever random weapons test North Korea happens to be doing at the moment. It's possible to disagree with war mongering and Trump's approach to negotiation!
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Short of abolishing sanctions, the US really doesn't have much of a negotiating position. There's always the danger of a US invasion for any country that doesn't have nuclear weapons.
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Jun 6, 2019 22:23
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Has China reopen that new bridge on the Yalu river?
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Lambert posted:Short of abolishing sanctions, the US really doesn't have much of a negotiating position. There's always the danger of a US invasion for any country that doesn't have nuclear weapons. I wonder what long term effects abolishing all sanctions against North Korea would have. It seems obvious that it would make their economy stronger but what kind of social change would it cause if any?
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It would probably make them hate foreigners less which would obviously have disastrous consequences.
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Their state capitalism would suddenly become much more lucrative, and...well, you read Animal Farm in school, right?
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and like clockwork the 'Kim is strapping his own family to rocket launchers and firing them into the sea...actually scratch that the guy's alive and healthy....but you know the fact it even could be reported as possible says how bad it is there....' cycle comes to an end https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1137488725091540993 now we await the fresh one, what will it be? KJU had his grade school girlfriend fed to pigs? He fired a sniper rifle at his uncle's face in front of his family reunion? They built him a one time use Gundam so he could stomp out an adviser's entire apartment building?
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Halloween Jack posted:Their state capitalism would suddenly become much more lucrative, and...well, you read Animal Farm in school, right? And everyone else's isn't?
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Apparently Kim Jong Nam was a CIA informant? Kim Jong-nam, half-brother of North Korean leader, 'was a CIA informant' https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/11/kim-jong-nam-half-brother-north-korea-leader-was-cia-informant
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sexpig by night posted:and like clockwork the 'Kim is strapping his own family to rocket launchers and firing them into the sea...actually scratch that the guy's alive and healthy....but you know the fact it even could be reported as possible says how bad it is there....' cycle comes to an end Reminder that the guy who wrote this article said in October 2017 the Trump administration was ready to go to war, then backtracked what he said
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