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One of the big problems with X-Men: Origins: Wolverine: The Beginning: Chapter One is that it's telling the story that a previous film (X-Men 2) kind of explored in enough depth. In that film, Logan learns that what he was doesn't really matter, it's what he is now and what he can be that does. But it's a lesson the executives at Twentieth Century didn't learn, and so we got the inevitable origin story. But if they felt they had to make it, they hosed it up by not even utilising the material in X-Men 2 in an interesting way. What that film showed of his origin made it seem really compelling and interesting and none of that is followed up on. In X2 Stryker says that the old Wolverine was a real monster, except Origins reveals that, well, no he wasn't, he was roughly the same in personality and morality. The flashbacks in X2 to the Weapon X experiment portrays this nightmarish mess of metal, guys in gas masks with syringes, a screaming Wolverine overwhelmed with terror and covered in blood screaming at the claws coming out of his hands, but in Origins, all that is swapped out with this lame super-duper Wolverine sequence where he looks awesome coming out of tank and does all the standard Wolverine poo poo like growling at people and deflecting bullets. I mean, compare the two scenes: X2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkXtmEWB8dw Wolverine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvLeNgzmjcE I reckon it would have been better if they had truly followed up on the whole Stryker "you were a monster" thing. They could have made Wolverine the villain of the film, and in the finale the heroes could finally stop him with an Admantium bullet. Like the Terminator with claws. It would have been risky, but probably more interesting. You could even have one of those heroic characters return in a later sequel and have them try to deal with the new kinder Wolverine, when they remember him as a monster that killed all their friends. However, the reason why the film, as bad as it is, didn't slow down Jackman's Wolverine is that Jackman is by far the best thing in it. He's great, and he makes otherwise inert scenes work just through the force of his charisma. Karloff fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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Gavok posted:Replace "X-Men Origins" with "NES Dick Tracy" and I understand what site is going through. Mine was Hudson Hawk. I loved it as a kid but I don't think I will watch it again just in case everyone else is right. Keep the good memories.
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Jun 4, 2019 19:54
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I forgot Will.i.am is in Origins. The gently caress was he doing there? I wonder who had the idea to cast him, lmao. The best thing about the movie was the workprint leak imo.
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Jun 4, 2019 20:18
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teagone posted:I forgot Will.i.am is in Origins. The gently caress was he doing there? I wonder who had the idea to cast him, lmao. The best thing about the movie was the workprint leak imo. There's a part of the gym scene where he is standing totally still and says "I'm coming with you!" and teleports but when they jump cut him he's in full stride keeping pace with Logan and it's pissed me off forever.
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Jun 4, 2019 20:22
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teagone posted:I forgot Will.i.am is in Origins. The gently caress was he doing there? I wonder who had the idea to cast him, lmao. The best thing about the movie was the workprint leak imo. I think Schrieber's a pretty big comics fan, I'm glad he got a good role in an actually good superhero movie.
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Jun 4, 2019 20:28
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I hate to be contrarian, but I never thought XO:W was bad enough to earn the reputation it has. Like The Wolverine, it’s more forgettable than anything else. I wouldn’t even call it the worst X-Men film at the time of its release. The worst thing XO:W ever did was tank any hope of a Nazi-hunting solo Magneto film.
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Jun 4, 2019 20:33
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Let's also not forget Dominic Monaghan as generic electricity guy (even though he was originally cast as Beak). Actually I did forget, I honestly don't remember a thing about him in that movie.
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Jun 4, 2019 20:36
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I hate to be contrarian, but I never thought XO:W was bad enough to earn the reputation it has. Like The Wolverine, it’s more forgettable than anything else. I wouldn’t even call it the worst X-Men film at the time of its release. It's bad but got blown up more because of Deadpool fans, who deserved it.
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Jun 4, 2019 20:37
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teagone posted:I forgot Will.i.am is in Origins. The gently caress was he doing there? I wonder who had the idea to cast him, lmao. The best thing about the movie was the workprint leak imo. He was murdering his own kind Logan
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Jun 4, 2019 20:40
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All the Wolverine movies have been disappointing to me.
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Jun 4, 2019 20:43
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I hate to be contrarian, but I never thought XO:W was bad enough to earn the reputation it has. Like The Wolverine, it’s more forgettable than anything else. I wouldn’t even call it the worst X-Men film at the time of its release. gently caress, I totally forgot there was another Wolverine movie that wasn't Logan or Origins.
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Jun 4, 2019 20:44
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Man, next bad movie night I hold, I'm gonna watch it. Anyone got a good drinking game for it? (Fun fact: I've never actually seen X2 or TLS so gently caress, I have nothing to really compare it to I guess)
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Jun 4, 2019 20:45
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I hate to be contrarian, but I never thought XO:W was bad enough to earn the reputation it has. Like The Wolverine, it’s more forgettable than anything else. I wouldn’t even call it the worst X-Men film at the time of its release. With the depths that the X-Men have gone to, Origins is definitely not the worst, but even at the time it just felt...unnecessary. The special effects were especially baffling in context too; you just had 3 movies with claws that looked just fine, how do you even mess that up?
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Jun 4, 2019 20:49
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bunnyofdoom posted:Man, next bad movie night I hold, I'm gonna watch it. Anyone got a good drinking game for it? Take a shot every time there's a blatant contradiction with the rest of the movies. You should be dead of alcohol poisoning within 10 minutes.
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Jun 4, 2019 20:51
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Lurdiak posted:Take a shot every time there's a blatant contradiction with the rest of the movies. You should be dead of alcohol poisoning within 10 minutes. You're going to have to be more specific on what X movie you're talking about here, they ALL contradict each other in some way. Except maybe X1 and X2. Maybe. So in essence they are all perfect representations of The X-Men.
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Jun 4, 2019 20:54
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Origins has the most contradictions with both past movies and future ones than any other entry in the series.
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Jun 4, 2019 20:55
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X-O posted:You're going to have to be more specific on what X movie you're talking about here, they ALL contradict each other in some way. Except maybe X1 and X2. Maybe. Philosophically, can X1 contradict things that didn't exist at the time?
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Jun 4, 2019 21:01
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Beachcomber posted:Philosophically, can X1 contradict things that didn't exist at the time? It's an X-Men movie, what do you think?
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Jun 4, 2019 21:02
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bunnyofdoom posted:Man, next bad movie night I hold, I'm gonna watch it. Anyone got a good drinking game for it? Have a shot any time you think a studio exec insisted a stupid thing had to be inserted into the movie.
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Jun 4, 2019 21:04
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X-O posted:It's an X-Men movie, what do you think? I don't really want to go back and check if it contradicts itself.
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Jun 4, 2019 21:09
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Origins Magneto ended up becoming a major part of First Class which gave us Nazi Hunter Magneto and the coin scene so I am okay with all of these things.
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Jun 4, 2019 21:10
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Speaking of Weapon X, I've always liked the little detail in X1 where Wolverine remembers the scientists passing around champagne flutes in the midst of performing grotesque medical experiments on him. I know the X-Men films are always gonna be overshadowed by the MCU, and it seems likely that Dark Phoenix will bury them further, but I do feel like almost all of them contain some moments or character beats that are as good as you always wanted them to be.
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Jun 4, 2019 21:26
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teagone posted:gently caress, I totally forgot there was another Wolverine movie that wasn't Logan or Origins. I tried to watch The Wolverine at least twice and fell asleep at some point both times.
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Jun 4, 2019 21:30
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Well yeah, I suppose if you don't like the X-Men, don't care about Deadpool, bad CGI doesn't bother you, and you aren't concerned with how the film relates to any of the movies it's supposed to be a prequel to...yeah, you might like Origins. I can't judge. I had to be told people universally panned Doom. I really really like The Rock 
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Jun 4, 2019 21:36
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X-Men v Wolverine: Origin of X is one thing but If someone comes in here wondering why everyone hated Fan4stic then there's gonna be some real troubles people.
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Jun 4, 2019 21:42
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I’ve still never bothered watching F4ntastic, despite being a giant F4 fan.
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Jun 4, 2019 21:47
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Well that's why you shouldn't.
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Jun 4, 2019 21:51
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SonicRulez posted:bad CGI doesn't bother you dont get me wrong bad cgi can still ruin stuff for me. like, pretending to ignore the entire rest of the movie for the moment, the cgi for enchantress in the suicide squad climax. it's just that a 45sec scene with goofy looking claws isnt at that level for me
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Jun 4, 2019 21:56
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Gavok posted:I really think someone should write a book about the history of the X-Men film franchise. There's something fascinating about how they've made 13 movies and everything is weird and all over the place with quality and behind-the-scenes goings on, especially compared to how clockwork the whole MCU comes across. After creating building blocks for the superhero boom out the gate with a solid initial movie and its bigger sequel, we got: lol I just looked up what the sinister after credits was and it was a dude picking up a suitcase that said essex or some such poo poo. The xmen movies are such loving trash
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Jun 4, 2019 22:00
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I’ve still never bothered watching F4ntastic, despite being a giant F4 fan. It's an interesting academic exercise but it's really bad. One imagines whatever the director was originally going for would also have been terrible. Although you don't exactly hear people yelling "Release the Trank Cut!"
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Jun 4, 2019 22:02
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X-O posted:X-Men v Wolverine: Origin of X is one thing but If someone comes in here wondering why everyone hated Fan4stic then there's gonna be some real troubles people. Which terrible Fantastic Four movie is that one? Is it the terrible mid 2000's Fantastic Four movie or the terrible "the director is a complete jerk" Fantastic Four movie?
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Jun 4, 2019 22:11
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Fant4stic is the latter
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Jun 4, 2019 22:13
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I did like how Wolverine: Origins gave Blob his name.
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Jun 4, 2019 22:28
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Shageletic posted:lol I just looked up what the sinister after credits was and it was a dude picking up a suitcase that said essex or some such poo poo. Was Mr Sinister supposed to be in New Mutants or did they just give up in their next planned movie and do the Phoenix thing instead because they mistakenly think that is what people want to see?
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Jun 4, 2019 22:38
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Gaunab posted:All the Wolverine movies have been disappointing to me. Hugh is way too tall but also way too rigid and proper, it’s like they fused his spine with a steel rod or something. He would have been a good cyclops
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Jun 4, 2019 22:41
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bunnyofdoom posted:Man, next bad movie night I hold, I'm gonna watch it. Anyone got a good drinking game for it? Take a shot any time Logan goes "AAAAHHH." Or Alternativly if you have watched a bunch of Canon studios film: try to predict what a character is going to say next, take a shot if you're right. Also another thing I remember. Man Gambit got quote a showing. Somebody really wanted him to have his own spin off. David D. Davidson fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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Jun 4, 2019 22:55
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We have our new Batman. Official announcement from the actor himself. https://twitter.com/RealWilfordB/status/1135975579319250944
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Jun 4, 2019 23:14
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^^^"Oh, Gawd Dahm Ett"^^^ Holy poo poo I had no idea there have been 13 X-Men movies. That doesn't seem right. *searches* Welp. Yeah. If we're counting the 2 that aren't out yet. drat. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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Jun 4, 2019 23:25
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BiggerBoat posted:
I had the exact same reaction.
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In some ways they're the most successful super-hero series. Idly trucking along without the hard-reboot button being pressed, endlessly adapting to the environment, and only finally being executed via one company being consumed by another. The first X-Men film came out in 2000, and Dark Phoenix is still working off character interpretations and continuity which that film established. Spider-Man and Batman have both been hard rebooted twice in that time.
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