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The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

i say swears online posted:

gently caress off

username checks out

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sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Mar 23, 2021

uncop
Oct 23, 2010
Why are westerners so obsessed with Tiananmen anyway? Is it the only time in the history of PRC when a suppressed protest could be construed as representing liberal good boys or something? Is it some deep trauma caused by dashed hopes of China falling alongside Eastern Europe? What makes it so special?

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

They all somehow convinced themselves that the Chinese government ran over people with tanks on live television even though that's easily disproven.

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Mar 23, 2021

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
.

sincx has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Mar 23, 2021

uncop
Oct 23, 2010
I guess I'm too cynical to have fully considered the weight of the numbers in any case.

Benagain
Oct 10, 2007

Can you see that I am serious?
Fun Shoe
Also there's some dope pictures and the chinese government refuses to talk about it and censors their internet so that other people can't.

When you can easily learn about the atrocities that your country has commited it kind of loses the mystique.

tino
Jun 4, 2018

by Smythe
I think it's only one? of these kind of events captured on high quality video.

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
still holding the candle light vigil here in Hong Kong.

People were worried that we couldn’t protest about June 4 after the hand over. The PRC guaranteed freedom of expression but little by little.

gently caress this I’m going to get drunk and go to the mainland tonight for work

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer

sincx posted:

At the end of the day though, Tiananmen was the largest massacre of civilians in peacetime in recent memory by a government that's still in power.

The fact so many people died in a single event inevitably heightens its significance, in addition to the geopolitical rivalry giving Western governments an incentive to play it up as much as possible.


Other governments have killed far more people as part of a single campaign far more recently (e.g. Duterte), but the actual killings are usually done a few at a time, which sadly doesn't attract the attention it should.

pretty much. During the umbrella movement the government in HK just sat around for 2 months until the crowd fizzled

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
sincx is right on the money with their analysis

Despera
Jun 6, 2011

Mantis42 posted:

They all somehow convinced themselves that the Chinese government ran over people with tanks on live television even though that's easily disproven.

There actually people who defend the CCP?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
wasn't the whole point of the Tiananmen tank man that he was NOT run over?

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Despera posted:

There actually people who defend the CCP?

yeah the 1.4 billion people who owe their freedom and rapidly improving quality of life to the CCP


sincx posted:

At the end of the day though, Tiananmen was the largest massacre of civilians in peacetime in recent memory by a government that's still in power.

what about 9/11?

Despera
Jun 6, 2011

Mantis42 posted:

yeah the 1.4 billion people who owe their freedom and rapidly improving quality of life to the CCP


what about 9/11?

Yeah like those Uighurs really getting their quality of life improved. in camps

Peoples own goverment killing its people on camera and television usually gets remembered.

Bulgakov
Mar 8, 2009


рукописи не горят

tino posted:

I think it's only one? of these kind of events captured on high quality video.

hmm nah there was plenty of coverage of hurricane katrina

Despera
Jun 6, 2011
Not going to lie, brave of you on this forum to support a government that punishes people for "excessive online gaming".

Bulgakov
Mar 8, 2009


рукописи не горят

Despera posted:

Not going to lie, brave of you on this forum to support a government that punishes people for "excessive online gaming".

the newly defined "gaming disorder" is actually the product of an international classifier of diseases. not one government. :)

it is a step forward towards world health that still trails china's understanding of the issue regarding violence

Bulgakov has issued a correction as of 10:36 on Jun 4, 2019

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Despera posted:

Not going to lie, brave of you on this forum to support a government that punishes people for "excessive online gaming".

tbh they should drop the "gaming" part and make the policy even better

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW8MHI07zh4

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
.

sincx has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Mar 23, 2021

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1136111773520617472

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Oh good I'm glad boots is back to spend 16 hours a day arguing with literal nobodies on twitter. I'll give him a week before he redeletes his account.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Modest Mao posted:

The film / TV commercial / TV etc market in China is even more insane.

Days often are as long as 20 hours with 5 hour turnaround until you need to be back on set. Labor is usually unskilled farmers building sets and rigging.

tbf this is why chinese tv series can come out with new episodes like every couple days of or so year round instead of having 10 episodes or so produced in the west every year or so

truly heroic effort on the part of "engineers of the soul!"

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

tbf the students were 70% correct 30% wrong and the party: including Deng and even Li Peng acknowledged that students had some justified demands to reduce corruption, inflation and nepotism. Unfortunately CIA used "small number of bad elements" to turn Beijing protest into final showdown against the party, against socialism and against the Chinese working class.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

uncop posted:

Why are westerners so obsessed with Tiananmen anyway? Is it the only time in the history of PRC when a suppressed protest could be construed as representing liberal good boys or something? Is it some deep trauma caused by dashed hopes of China falling alongside Eastern Europe? What makes it so special?

it literally comes down to "there were western TV cameras in bejing at the time so there were videos of it"

westerners are brainwashed by TV so if something happens on USA propaganda networks they know and keep caring about it but if there's no TV footage of it they don't even know what's going on

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747
"there was no Tienanmen massacre because the army chased people out of Tienanmen into the nearby streets, where they were massacred, simply not in the square itself"

ok

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747

Typo posted:

tbf this is why chinese tv series can come out with new episodes like every couple days of or so year round instead of having 10 episodes or so produced in the west every year or so

truly heroic effort on the part of "engineers of the soul!"

It's actually because typically the entire series is filmed at once, sometimes even without regard to episode breaking points. The TV station buys the entire series and edits it how they like, half hour episodes with 20 in a season? or maybe 20 hour long episodes a season... In other words, there's no "being picked up for another season" or "being cancelled" in China. It's all or nothing, and production is insane.

Captain Billy Pissboy
Oct 25, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo
College Slice

Modest Mao posted:

"there was no Tienanmen massacre because the army chased people out of Tienanmen into the nearby streets, where they were massacred, simply not in the square itself"

ok

That's not what that article is saying. It's arguing that it's important to accurately report who was killed.

quote:

The problem is this: as far as can be determined from the available evidence, no one died that night in Tiananmen Square.

A few people may have been killed by random shooting on streets near the square, but all verified eyewitness accounts say that the students who remained in the square when troops arrived were allowed to leave peacefully. Hundreds of people, most of them workers and passersby, did die that night, but in a different place and under different circumstances.
...
A common response to this corrective analysis is: So what? The Chinese army killed many innocent people that night. Who cares exactly where the atrocities took place?
...
The problem is not so much putting the murders in the wrong place, but suggesting that most of the victims were students. Black and Munro say “what took place was the slaughter not of students but of ordinary workers and residents — precisely the target that the Chinese government had intended.” They argue that the government was out to suppress a rebellion of workers, who were much more numerous and had much more to be angry about than the students.

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
luckily we had Hong Kong tv stations, and activists going to Beijing.

CIA operatives my rear end.

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
oh and the local television station was and is in cahoots with the Chinese government. Everyone’s self censoring themselves nowadays in HK

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
i do the same thing tbh but for cspam posters

https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1136180898163040257

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
there are several criteria that could deem one "unreliable"

+ being horny on the forums
+ meltdowns
+ mod sass (mods are my friends)
+ listening to cumtown
+ inharmoniousness (catch-all)

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib
+ unforeseen

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

there are several criteria that could deem one "unreliable"

+ being horny on the forums
+ meltdowns
+ mod sass (mods are my friends)
+ listening to cumtown
+ inharmoniousness (catch-all)

separately, these might be your criteria for unreliability, but all at the same time is just cspam_posters.txt

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Truga posted:

separately, these might be your criteria for unreliability, but all at the same time is just cspam_posters.txt

jesus christ dude

tino
Jun 4, 2018

by Smythe


I bet Cisco goes into the first batch. In general I like the "high tech vs high tech" angle instead of the "low tech (rare earth) vs high tech (Huawei)" angle.

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AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018


Lmao

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