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Alabama, New Jersey, Iowa, and Pennsylvania here: no difference that we can tell. I'll try a few ESL folks tomorrow, but I think we'll find the same thing.
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I knew a guy in college who could only do voiced 'th', hearing him say the word thunder set my teeth on edge. Of course, he also had a really strong NY accent, so that didn't help.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:58
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I definitely pronounce them different. I say one with the other and it sounds really wrong.
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Jun 6, 2019 16:08
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The_White_Crane posted:If you're thinking of the sound I think you are, it's usually written as "zh" to contrast "sh" and in English it occurs in pleasure, leisure, and measure. Omg thank you yes I knew there were English words and a normal way to write it I just absolutely mental blanked on them and decided I must be mistaken.
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Jun 6, 2019 16:10
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Is there a difference between the vowel sound in “sin” and the vowel sound in “sing” I have had endless arguments about this. I was raised in Texas with the world’s thickest swamp-hillbilly yall-hollerin accent, but I now have an extremely neutral American accent with the occasional unexpected twang. I hear “ih” and “eee” respectively in those words, and my OC-raised friend tells me that both vowels are “ih.”
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Jun 6, 2019 16:32
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They are different to most people. Your description matches how I hear it.
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Jun 6, 2019 16:35
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elise the great posted:Is there a difference between the vowel sound in “sin” and the vowel sound in “sing” Phonemically? No. Phonetically? gently caress knows or cares 
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Jun 6, 2019 16:35
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The "sin"/"sing" difference is for sure a dialectal change, with some dialects markedly having [i:] before the "ng" and some having [ɪ]. This is part of a pattern with lax vowels before velars: one of my friends has the "hay" diphthong for "egg", "leg", etc. There seems to be a tongue movement in making velars that makes preceding vowels sound more [i:]-like.
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Jun 6, 2019 16:52
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elise the great posted:Is there a difference between the vowel sound in “sin” and the vowel sound in “sing” Not in most British dialects; we say both with "ih".
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Jun 6, 2019 17:06
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So you pronounce sin and sing the same?Felonious_Monk posted:The "sin"/"sing" difference is for sure a dialectal change, with some dialects markedly having [i:] before the "ng" and some having [ɪ]. This is part of a pattern with lax vowels before velars: one of my friends has the "hay" diphthong for "egg", "leg", etc. There seems to be a tongue movement in making velars that makes preceding vowels sound more [i:]-like. Egg (and leg) rhymes with Hague for me. For my fiance it rhymes with beg.
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Jun 6, 2019 18:06
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TheMaskedUgly posted:There isn't. How about 'this thistle'? Not arguing, just interested.
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Jun 6, 2019 18:14
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bamhand posted:So you pronounce sin and sing the same? No of course not; "ng" and "n" don't sound the same. "N" is the sound at the start of "no", "ng" is the sound at the start of "Nguyen". One Swell Foop posted:How about 'this thistle'? Not arguing, just interested. As a rule of thumb, "th" is almost always þ as in thorn, thief, thistle, throat, thing, throb et al. It's ð in the, this, there, that, then, than, them, those and at the end of certain uncommon words like blithe, writhe, lithe and tithe. Actually, question! For those of you who start "this" and "thief" with the same sound, do you also use that sound at the end of "writhe"? The_White_Crane has a new favorite as of 22:44 on Jun 6, 2019 |
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Jun 6, 2019 22:30
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After you answer that tell us about "wraith" and "wreathe".
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Jun 6, 2019 22:56
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Like, in every one of those words, it's the vowel sounds that make them sound different? This conversation is extremely bizarre
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Jun 6, 2019 22:59
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doverhog posted:After you answer that tell us about "wraith" and "wreathe". I'm a word nerd but not a presciptivist but verily who ever says "wreathe"? I pronounce "foyer" correctly but this is silly. Don't even get me started about how English is a Germanic language and Latin rules do not loving apply.
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Jun 6, 2019 23:06
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if you have a lisp three and free are pronounced the same
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Jun 6, 2019 23:11
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There, that thick thot thief! Thwarted, though thrice thrown
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Jun 6, 2019 23:13
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I wreathe you in my love baby. That's a translation from finnish though so maybe not in common use today. doverhog has a new favorite as of 23:21 on Jun 6, 2019 |
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Jun 6, 2019 23:14
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every word sounds the same if you're dead
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Jun 6, 2019 23:20
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purple death ray posted:Like, in every one of those words, it's the vowel sounds that make them sound different? It may depend on the dialect, but they are different consonant sounds with one being voice and the other not voiced, which just means that one involves vibration from the vocal chords and the other just air, which produces a slightly different sound even if the mouth position is the same. I think it's subtle in a lot of words, but here's one where the difference was obvious to me: Thing and Father e: more on these bad boys: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_dental_fricative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_dental_fricative Probably helps that most languages don't even have these. christmas boots has a new favorite as of 23:24 on Jun 6, 2019 |
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Jun 6, 2019 23:22
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bell jar posted:if you have a lisp three and free are pronounced the same It's really hard to read Terry Pratchett's Discworld because all of these Igorth are juft paying tribute to Young Frankenshtien
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Jun 6, 2019 23:38
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doverhog posted:"wreathe" The noun or the verb?
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Jun 6, 2019 23:44
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Memento posted:The noun or the verb? Both. I'm insatiable.
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Jun 6, 2019 23:49
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Diarrhea is also known as "the runs." It's not called that because one has to run to the bathroom, like I always thought. It refers to the consistency of the waste. I took some Pepto, I should be fine.
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Jun 6, 2019 23:58
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The garbage disposal has a plug under the sink that gives it power. If it stops working, you probably just have to plug it back in. Sometimes, follow up by pressing "reset"  I dunno how I thought it got power but I'm glad google exists and I didn't have to call the maintenance guy to plug in a plug for me
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Jun 8, 2019 16:28
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The garbage disposal has a plug under the sink that gives it power. If it stops working, you probably just have to plug it back in. Sometimes, follow up by pressing "reset" If it sounds like it’s ground to a stop and won’t do anything else, sometimes there’s an Allen key slot at the bottom and you can manually turn it to clear the jam.
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The_White_Crane posted:No of course not; "ng" and "n" don't sound the same. "N" is the sound at the start of "no", "ng" is the sound at the start of "Nguyen". Ok I can't picture how sin and sing have the same i sound then. I listened to some youtube videos on their pronunciation and they sound completely different. Is that a thing? I know some people hear different sounds the same if they don't grow up saying things that way but this seems like it's the opposite of that. e: I just spoke with my wife who studied linguistics, and apparently some people can't hear the difference between the two even though they pronounce them differently. So they can't hear the difference when they say it but other people can. Human brains are weird. bamhand has a new favorite as of 17:44 on Jun 8, 2019 |
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Jun 8, 2019 17:31
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To compare, try pronouncing singe with thr beginning of sing.
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Jun 8, 2019 17:51
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The_White_Crane posted:... is that a joke? I'll admit there's a subtle difference between the beginning of They and Theif. No idea where you're getting a 'v' and 'f' sound from though. The former is closer to an 'L' The latter is just saying the same way but with a bit of a lisp.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The garbage disposal has a plug under the sink that gives it power. If it stops working, you probably just have to plug it back in. Sometimes, follow up by pressing "reset" Badger brand (and probably most of them) come with an Allen wrench that goes in a little nut on the bottom for freeing up the blades if they get a little stuck So, if your disposal is locked up and keeps tripping the reset, try that before sticking fingats in or replacing it 
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Cacafuego posted:If it sounds like it’s ground to a stop and won’t do anything else, sometimes there’s an Allen key slot at the bottom and you can manually turn it to clear the jam. goddammit
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Jun 8, 2019 18:13
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Something I completely missed until I rewatched 8 mile recently. This guy's an Avenger? His real name's Clarence. 
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Jun 8, 2019 18:28
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The_White_Crane posted:... is that a joke? I need to hear you pronounce these because I don't hear that at all
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Jun 8, 2019 21:19
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This is the price of having a larger brain than neanderthals. Grunts and ughs were fine as long as the work got done.
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Jun 8, 2019 21:22
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People just need to stop insisting things sound a certain way because they pronounce things differently. Accents exist and will always exist so what's the point in trying to argue things sound a certain way?
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Jun 9, 2019 01:52
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starkebn posted:People just need to stop insisting things sound a certain way because they pronounce things differently. Accents exist and will always exist so what's the point in trying to argue things sound a certain way? I like the sound of that!
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V is the voiced form of voiceless f Th is the voiced form of voiceless th Because we no longer use different letters to write those two sounds people think they're saying them the same because our brains are so wired based on how we read things
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Captain Monkey posted:I have a slight Texan accent, my wife has a mostly midwest accent. That and thief have the same th sound. I’m from Texas. They objectively don’t. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nlKNo1TGALA There are voiced and unvoiced versions. Like: K-G S-Z Sh-French J Ch-J T-D F-V P-B starkebn posted:People just need to stop insisting things sound a certain way because they pronounce things differently. Accents exist and will always exist so what's the point in trying to argue things sound a certain way? They are two different phonemes that have a long history of existence in practically all forms of English. Probably all forms but I don’t know. They were different letters before continental European printing presses arrived, that still exist in icelandic. It’s not an accent thing, it’s a “this one combination was deliberately chosen to represent two different letters that could not be printed after we decided “ye” for “the” was confusing. Edgar Allen Ho has a new favorite as of 05:10 on Jun 9, 2019 |
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starkebn posted:People just need to stop insisting things sound a certain way because they pronounce things differently. Accents exist and will always exist so what's the point in trying to argue things sound a certain way? Sssssh you're ruining it 
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Accents exist, but I find it neat when it's a case where I totally can't hear the difference but then someone explains it in a way that makes sense.
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