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this is a good video. i really like hbomb, contra, and philosophy tube, but as a black woman, i totally understand kat's frustration. i'm already seeing some goon dismiss the video as her just complaining about not being popular. Equeen fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Jun 6, 2019 |
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I don't watch her a lot, am subbed tho. But she is deffo right about this. I mean lately with stuff in my own country I also had a bit of self doubt, for related reasons. I want to help/promote people and politics I support but I'm also afraid to put myself out there; and I can get away with that being a choice cause I'm white (and male) and not the target. Once my health clears up I am going to involve myself in a few local projects though. Zedd fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Jun 6, 2019 |
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Equeen posted:this is a good video. i really like hbomb, contra, and philosophy tube, but as black woman, i totally understand kat's frustration. i'm already seeing some goon dismiss the video as her just complaining about not being popular. contra and philosophy tube actually commented to her video as well which I thought was good
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Equeen posted:this is a good video. i really like hbomb, contra, and philosophy tube, but as a black woman, i totally understand kat's frustration. i'm already seeing some goon dismiss the video as her just complaining about not being popular. the CSPAM/RGD binary is indeed very fascinating
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lemonadesweetheart posted:contra and philosophy tube actually commented to her video as well which I thought was good It's kinda sad that they feel that they have to tbh, but I get why they did
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Junpei Hyde posted:It's kinda sad that they feel that they have to tbh, but I get why they did Yeah definitely.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:17
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There's no real denying that the bar seems to be set to stupidly high levels for leftist creators who aren't white compared to others (the inverse is perhaps true for grifters on the other side who can spout any old utter nonsense and still have an audience fawning over them being "One of the good ones"). It's not just that there's a lack of minority creators 'cause I can think of a good few right off the bat, but standards are definitely different -- whether it's due to their own standards constantly being interrogated compared to others, or something like when one creator puts something out there that's pretty over the top and extreme and that person then automatically representing ALL black leftist YouTubers in a way that would never happen if/when a white leftist YouTuber does something similar.
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Pharohman777 posted:Seriously, there are a bunch of people mad as hell at vox for getting YouTube to take action and blast everything in the vicinity of crowder. YouTube should have dealt with crowder, but not by using a dumb algorithm that doesn't know what historical footage is. So, I don't know how many videos are on youtube but I know it's a lot. Like a loving fuckton of videos. And there's no way to personally view every possible video that has been uploaded. It's in no way feasible for Youtube to go and check each channel individually, either. I think they took the attitude that we take towards other cancers - sometimes you have to use a blowtorch on that poo poo. There's no way to completely avoid killing healthy cells. The goal is to get rid of the infestation. Once the operation is complete, you can begin to heal. I suspect Youtube's plan is to demonetize anything that buzzes close to their algorithm. Then allow the people who got hit by the algorithm to submit to their live, human team to argue for their reinstatement. That's a lot easier to do and makes a lot more sense from a business perspective. And that does mean that some people will slip through the cracks, yeah. Some people will end up being demonetized forever even though they maybe didn't deserve it. Sometimes that's the cost of doing business. Youtube isn't a charity.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:46
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Its because white male hetero-cis hegemony is still so absolute that even self-proclaimed leftists are still made deeply uncomfortable by the assertion that "identity" matters
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ashpanash posted:Youtube isn't a charity. gently caress this sentiment. Youtube and every other social media platform have vehemently resisted the mere notion of responsible moderation. It's not a matter of "oh there's just too much content!" Tthey could be doing a lot more to monitor and purge toxic elements, but they're not because those solutions cost money and they'd rather let the foxes run the henhouse than spend one single dime more than legally required to keep the problem in check.
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Skippy McPants posted:gently caress this sentiment. Youtube and every other social media platform have vehemently resisted the mere notion of responsible moderation. It's not a matter of "oh there's just too much content!" Tthey could be doing a lot more to monitor and purge toxic elements, but they're not because those solutions cost money and they'd rather let the foxes run the henhouse than spend one single dime more than legally required to keep the problem in check. Right, because they're not a charity. From what I understand, they didn't even censor most of the content, right? They just demonitized it. In other words, Youtube isn't paying them money for their content anymore. Yeah, I'd love for Youtube to have been faster about fixing toxic elements, but it's good that they're starting somewhere. And the more they have to pay people to monitor content, the less they will pay to content creators. Because again, they're not a charity. I mean, you can hate the sentiment all you want, it's still true.
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they don't even have the proper channel to report content - shaun had to trick them into responding.
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The phrasing "not a charity" is bullshit because it implies that content platforms don't have a responsibility to moderate the content the offer. Yes, they have often have no legal requirements—thanks to the capitalist hellscape we inhabit—but that's not an alibi for their refusal to make anything more than token efforts toward content oversight. Edit: it's like saying factories shouldn't provide safe conditions for their workers, because hey, they're not running a charity!
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There are plenty of things that aren't charities that don't actively seek to make a profit off of hate speech, which is what youtube currently does. They have decided they will not longer one particular person to produce hate speech but they wil still make money off that same hate speech, just like they refuse to take down the pedophile videos because they still want to make money off of them.
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These are the big channels that have been banned or demonitized so far. (Crossposting from reddit:) Deleted channels Varg Vikernes (Thulean Perspective, makes videos about paganism) Cultured Thug Dennis Wise Patrick Slattery YouKipper Ratatosk The New Awakening The Northwest Front The Great Order Holocaust Handbooks Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust Xurious Music, Cybernazi (both music bands) Mr Allsop History (history channel, got reinstated though) New British Union NPI/Radix (Richard Spencer) TRS Radio Burzum (music band) Denying History (a channel dedicated to debunking (!) holocaust denial) ID Amvrica / KPopRight (alt-right kpop music, didn't even know such a thing existed) David Collier (produces pro-Israel videos) The Paranormal Scholar (ghost hunting channel) Demonetized channels Steven Crowder (change my mind - the one that started it all) Owen Benjamin (comedy / politics) Luke Ford (politics) Kommandant (was "deleted", channel seems to still be up though?) James Allsup (connected to red ice tv I think) Red Ice TV (swedish news channel) Martin Sellner (head of the identity movement in Austria) The Golden One (swedish bodybuilder? norse / pagan stuff) Computing Forever (run-of-the-mill anti-sjw youtuber, similar to sargon) The Red Elephants with Vincent James (same as above) News2Share / Ford Fischer (documented Trump Rallies) Boogie2988 (got all his old Francis videos demonetized) Press For Truth Jesse Lee Peterson (amazin') SinatraSays (anti-sjw commentator) Deep Fat Fried (leftist political channel) secureteam10 (conspiratorial videos about aliens) Dash Star (movie reviews) Dragon Ball Hype (dragon ball z clips) The Iconoclast (anti-sjw commentator) Eli The Computer Guy (livestreaming revoked, not sure if demonetized) Robert Gheorge (fortnite player, he really had it coming though, we all know that fortnite is a white supremacist videogame) Joe Audritt (records people at the Speakers Corner) Nightwave Radio / Revenge of the Cis Videos removed The Iconoclast Angelo John Gage Gavin McInnes Milo Red Ice TV Black Pigeon Speaks Drunken Peasants Press For Truth J.F Gariepy PragerU (videos are in restricted mode) Jack Green (white nationalist) pagan / norse / gaelic music, can't confirm what channels though because I don't listen to that type of music
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Varg Vikernes' channel got hit? Aw! Couldn't happen to a nicer murdering Nazi jackass. Maybe he can go back to work on a second edition of his terrible racist power fantasy RPG.
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It seems like there was more correct identifications than false positives? EDIT: I mean, it's still bad, but... less bad than I was thinking?
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quote:Dragon Ball Hype (dragon ball z clips)
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Describing The Golden One as "norse/pagan stuff" is maybe missing that he's a virulent misogynist.
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ashpanash posted:I think they took the attitude that we take towards other cancers - sometimes you have to use a blowtorch on that poo poo. There's no way to completely avoid killing healthy cells. The goal is to get rid of the infestation. Once the operation is complete, you can begin to heal. Your argument might have held some water if YouTube had actually banned Crowder without giving him a way for him to get back in and /or they didn't say “Using racial, homophobic, or sexist epithets on their own would not necessarily violate either of these policies.” Now it just looks like you're defending the idiots for being too lazy to fix their idiocy when they can't even hold literally the easiest moral stance of "Hey we're not assholes".
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Fil5000 posted:Describing The Golden One as "norse/pagan stuff" is maybe missing that he's a virulent misogynist. he's also a literal nazi
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Describing Varg Vikernes as "paganism" is really burying the lead given that he's a literal convicted nazi murderer and arson who keeps putting out nazi poo poo. He should have got the chair.
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alt-right...k-pop? Um, ok then. Things have clearly broadened in the nazi musicsphere from the old days of Det Som Engang Var.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Describing Varg Vikernes as "paganism" is really burying the lead given that he's a literal convicted nazi murderer and arson who keeps putting out nazi poo poo. He should have got the chair. Again, redundant
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Grouchio posted:These are the big channels that have been banned or demonitized so far. (Crossposting from reddit:) least some good came out of this. surprised pragerU got hit and that milo had videos.
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this dumb mutherfucker. https://twitter.com/Boogie2988/status/1136481207594704896
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Groovelord Neato posted:this dumb mutherfucker. https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312?lang=en
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I'm glad Boogie favored us with a statement. I was on the edge of my seat.
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Now it's time for me to once again pull all the splinters out of my crack
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Again, redundant
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Kim Justice posted:alt-right...k-pop? Um, ok then. Things have clearly broadened in the nazi musicsphere from the old days of Det Som Engang Var. k-pop is everything nazis love - attractive, easily-fetishized people performing in perfect sync with aggressive social consequences for individuality or free expression, especially for women.
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Unfortunately I don't think anyone who watches this video isn't already converted. Kat Blaque has every reason to rant about how most viewers in Breadtube will only listen to white people, but what can anyone do about that? Natalie Wynn has implored her viewers to check out more POC creators and listen to them as well. That's as good as we can do. I think this is a problem where a lot of people with internalized racism are more willing to check out white creators and hear their thoughts on stuff. Groovelord Neato posted:this dumb mutherfucker. Does Vox actually have anything to do with this? I know Carlos Maza is employed by Vox but the pressure to ban Crowder came from Maza himself and his allies on Twitter. Of course, this #VoxAdpocalypse could just be a smear campaign to attack Vox so they'll punish Maza more directly than Crowder ever could.
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yeah it was carlos, boogie is a loving idiot.
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DoubleCakes posted:Unfortunately I don't think anyone who watches this video isn't already converted. Kat Blaque has every reason to rant about how most viewers in Breadtube will only listen to white people, but what can anyone do about that? Natalie Wynn has implored her viewers to check out more POC creators and listen to them as well. That's as good as we can do. I think this is a problem where a lot of people with internalized racism are more willing to check out white creators and hear their thoughts on stuff. I think a lot of it is even simpler too, which is just that people watch what other people watch. I'd bet a majority of people who watch HBomb or Contra outright don't watch anyone who isn't super popular, POC or non-POC, which is very unfortunate when as noted there are basically no big POC creators in the leftytube sphere.
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I'm not the biggest fan of Kat (she is fine) but T1J is legit good. Anyway I barely know this channel but this is an essential video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxElH6dFxx8
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I've always felt weird about calling that corner of youtube "lefttube" or "breadtube", as a whole it's not that their content is bad but that the only ones I can think of who discussed theories and praxis of leftism with any regularity as opposed to primarily responding to alt-right content are badmouse and to a lesser degree olly, and even then badmouse isn't always included in that grouping.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Describing Varg Vikernes as "paganism" is really burying the lead given that he's a literal convicted nazi murderer and arson who keeps putting out nazi poo poo. He should have got the chair. Fil5000 posted:Describing The Golden One as "norse/pagan stuff" is maybe missing that he's a virulent misogynist. Grouchio posted:(Crossposting from reddit:) 
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CYBEReris posted:I've always felt weird about calling that corner of youtube "lefttube" or "breadtube", as a whole it's not that their content is bad but that the only ones I can think of who discussed theories and praxis of leftism with any regularity as opposed to primarily responding to alt-right content are badmouse and to a lesser degree olly, and even then badmouse isn't always included in that grouping. There are plenty of economics lectures and angry marxists and anarchists (mexxie for example), but they don’t put effort into performance and production because their passion lies elsewhere. I think it’s fine for there to be a flashy wide end at the radicalization tunnel that keeps things simple. I’d actually be fine with some lib channels that mostly exposed fascists and maybe critiqued capitalism a little. One of the reasons fascism is experiencing a global resurgence is that they have a whole pipeline set up to convey dumb white boys from inchoate resentment to bomb-building. People like sargon are essentially racist, hateful liberals, at least in terms of public presentation, and their service to the nazis is starting dumb white fucks on their journey to a mass shooting. The left could stand to have more of that but angled toward something good.
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