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CLAM DOWN posted:I love hanging out with coworkers. Some of my best friends are past and current coworkers, including at least one girlfriend. You all should try being more social. I don't mind hanging out with coworkers, especially old ones but usually any hangout that involves current coworkers outside of work is usually just talking poo poo about other people at work or work itself.
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CLAM DOWN posted:I love hanging out with coworkers. Some of my best friends are past and current coworkers, including at least one girlfriend. You all should try being more social. I've worked here 16 years. There are a handful of coworkers I hang out with as friends. The majority tend to try to use me for personal tech support over drinks and get angry when I don't want to talk about computers after work. It's just easier not to go nowadays.
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Jun 6, 2019 17:14
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I'm batting about .500 on jobs with coworkers I like enough to go do stuff outside of work. My current company is awesome, and I expect I'll remain friends with a number of people from here whenever I leave. I've also worked places where everyone was way older than me and racist, sexist, proto-MAGA chuds (this was pre-Trump) who spent all day listening to InfoWars on the clock. I didn't even want to talk to them in the office let alone at the company BBQ or whatever. Though even there there were a couple cool people I'd go get a beer with after hours. Now it doesn't matter in any case because I have kids, and lol people actually get to control what they do on nights and weekends?!?
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Jun 6, 2019 17:15
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CLAM DOWN posted:I love hanging out with coworkers. Some of my best friends are past and current coworkers, including at least one girlfriend. You all should try being more social. I gotta agree with CLAM DOWN, here. I'm not saying I love the system or anything, but if you ever wonder why people don't listen to IT at your job... this is possibly part of it. Play the game. Talk to people you wouldn't normally talk to, make nice. The next time you want something to happen, you may be talking to a familiar face instead of a stranger, and that might make the difference.
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Jun 6, 2019 17:17
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That's the other thing. I don't have kids. I'm not married. I'm 38. People my age just talk about all that stuff and I have nothing to contribute and honestly I don't give a poo poo about your kids. I feel like a creep hanging out with the 22 year olds. Although one of my very good friends is a female coworker, but she's leaving and moving away because her boss is unbelievably terrible.
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Jun 6, 2019 17:17
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Thanatosian posted:I gotta agree with CLAM DOWN, here. I'm not saying I love the system or anything, but if you ever wonder why people don't listen to IT at your job... this is possibly part of it. Play the game. Talk to people you wouldn't normally talk to, make nice. The next time you want something to happen, you may be talking to a familiar face instead of a stranger, and that might make the difference. This. Also, if you want to be cynicalrealistic think about it as professional development. Help people from other departments think about you as a real person and not "that weird goon that stares at his feet in the elevator" That being said, being forced to attend something outside of normal business hours is still kinda lovely. If you want to require it, do it during the day.
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Jun 6, 2019 17:21
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CLAM DOWN posted:I love hanging out with coworkers. Some of my best friends are past and current coworkers, including at least one girlfriend. You all should try being more social. I will never be social with the racist and sexist dickweeds that polluted (and still are polluting) my past IT departments. On top of that, you can't really switch-off with co-workers around, during Friday beers they will usually start bothering you about work related IT problems and that really exhausts you after a while (yes, I do say "can you not?" a lot, but still exhausting) That said, my partner is an ex-colleague from when I wasn't working in IT, so for me it's more profession related than colleague related. cage-free egghead posted:I don't mind hanging out with coworkers, especially old ones but usually any hangout that involves current coworkers outside of work is usually just talking poo poo about other people at work or work itself. Also this, but that's also part of the "you can not switch-off".
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Jun 6, 2019 17:22
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Don't hang out with lovely people if you don't have to, this advice extends to all parts of your life not just work. Why is this always such a weird point of contention in this thread?
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Jun 6, 2019 17:23
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DONT TOUCH THE PC posted:That said, my partner is an ex-colleague from when I wasn't working in IT, so for me it's more profession related than colleague related. Yeah, we all know IT people are terrible, which is why I usually recommend socializing with other departments at those kinds of events.
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Jun 6, 2019 17:24
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The Fool posted:Yeah, we all know IT people are terrible, which is why I usually recommend socializing with other departments at those kinds of events. I'm particularly fond of the marketing and sales folks.
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Jun 6, 2019 17:25
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I'm pretty blunt in here but I know how to play the politic game at work. I'll sit and ask about your kids while dying inside. I try to be friends with everyone. I try to remember names and talk to them like real people. Not some fuckin dork who hides in the corner pounding mountain dew all day while being a dick to everyone. The only people I can't stand are a few of the HR folks. They're a bunch of liars and if you complain about anything it's all "you should appreciate what the company provides instead of complaining what they don't. Can't you be appreciative????" while they gently caress you over with health insurance and take away benefits.
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Jun 6, 2019 17:25
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Inspector_666 posted:Don't hang out with lovely people if you don't have to, this advice extends to all parts of your life not just work. Why is this always such a weird point of contention in this thread? It's not. Being the IT thread, it's just that it's somewhat likely we're the terrible people in the example  Internet Explorer posted:I'm particularly fond of the marketing and sales folks. I love hanging out with the these people because they always expense the bar tab. It's also their job to be pleasant to talk to so that helps. KillHour fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Jun 6, 2019 |
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Jun 6, 2019 17:27
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Inspector_666 posted:Don't hang out with lovely people if you don't have to, this advice extends to all parts of your life not just work. Why is this always such a weird point of contention in this thread? Because "you don't have to" doesn't really take into account that companies are a lot like small towns and gently caress small towns and again: that poo poo is exhausting.
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Jun 6, 2019 17:29
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Inspector_666 posted:Don't hang out with lovely people if you don't have to, this advice extends to all parts of your life not just work. Why is this always such a weird point of contention in this thread? Because goons. It's fine, it should be expected on SA.
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Jun 6, 2019 17:42
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CLAM DOWN posted:Because goons. It's fine, it should be expected on SA. It's just bizarre. Do you people never go to birthday parties or anything? You don't have to spend time with every single person present in a room. Trying to spint "Spending time with your coworkers when you aren't on the clock isn't a terrible burden by default" into "Oh you want me to go spend time with racists?!" is some poo poo.
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Jun 6, 2019 17:46
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Inspector_666 posted:It's just bizarre. Do you people never go to birthday parties or anything? You don't have to spend time with every single person present in a room. The small town poo poo doesn't even fly. I'm from a small town. You get out of it what you make of it, it comes down to your own personal approach and attitude.
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Jun 6, 2019 17:49
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Just work remotely at least 1000km from your nearest coworker.
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Jun 6, 2019 18:03
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I am also from a small town an yes 90% of my personal attitude and approach was forged there. It’s funny how often “be more social” is code for “no, you’re the problem. You should be more accepting of lovely behavior” in such situations and work is way too often similar. I’m gonna retreat to my hovel on the side of a windswept bald mountain, scowling at the people down in the valley.
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Jun 6, 2019 18:05
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Yesterday we had a social in our courtyard at lunch. I hung out with other IT people, as well as some legal, HR, and clinical people. I ate sliders and ice cream and cheered teams on as they engineered egg drop machines to be flung from the roof of the building. It was a pretty good day. 
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Jun 6, 2019 18:16
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I mean, I have autism, anxiety, and depression, so I go into these events expecting people, usually unrealistically, to dislike me and for me to have a disastrous time. So people saying it's partly my problem and my attitude aren't entirely wrong. I'd rather spend time with my close friends than make conversation with people I only sort of know or don't know at all. I'm working on it, but poo poo like an 8 hour mandatory bonding event still is a lot for me, and a confident can-do mental attitude isn't exactly some switch I just choose not to flip because I enjoy the challenge.
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Jun 6, 2019 18:36
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Xanderkish posted:anxiety, and depression Me too. But I know we can't make it through life alone, where we spend so much of our time (at work). So I put in a lot of effort to make the most of it.
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Jun 6, 2019 18:40
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Xanderkish posted:I'm working on it, but poo poo like an 8 hour mandatory bonding event still is a lot for me, and a confident can-do mental attitude isn't exactly some switch I just choose not to flip because I enjoy the challenge. Fake it til you make it. Additionally, make it a switch. You're in control of how you feel and while yes anxiety is a hell of a thing, it only gets worse from choosing to avoid situations instead of just biting the bullet and feeling uncomfortable going against your gut.
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I'm not advocating for the system or anything, but those soft skills are super important to develop, and the more networking you can do the better it's going to be for you professionally, both from a perspective of personal benefits and from a perspective of being able to drive or prevent change at the place you work. And IT people are typically very bad about that, and we really shouldn't be. If you hate everyone you work with, it's time to  You're going to hate yourself into an early grave, otherwise.
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Jun 6, 2019 19:02
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cage-free egghead posted:Fake it til you make it. Good advice right here. If it is at all possible for you to fake it, do it long enough and you'll wake up realizing you can people.
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Jun 6, 2019 19:05
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I suppose it is important to remember that there's benefits to doing that stuff, and I probably could serve to do it more. I do decently with social stuff, I just don't always think I do. It's a whole thing, I'm working on it, I don't need treatment advice, blah blah blah. But yeah, I could probably serve to remember that networking's not exactly a problem that's going to go away (much as I want it to) and I'm better off adapting to it.
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Google posted a postmortem of their network outage from a few days ago https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/cloud-networking/19009 As far as I can tell, bugs + misconfigurations caused a planned maintenance event to shut down most or all instances of their network management software across multiple data centers at the same time. Instead of in a safe, rolling manner. Which kind of owns.
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Jun 6, 2019 19:15
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Now that's what I call eventual consistency.
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Jun 6, 2019 19:16
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God, I have to write incident reports for issues that most people will never hear about just to blow smoke up one or two customer's rear end. I can't imagine the verbal gymnastics required to write an incident report on their level. e: "Elevated packet loss", I gotta use that one.
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Jun 6, 2019 19:25
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:God, I have to write incident reports for issues that most people will never hear about just to blow smoke up one or two customer's rear end. I can't imagine the verbal gymnastics required to write an incident report on their level. Technically true, even if it's elevated to 100%.
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So a client wants to hire me, they cant meet my salary requirements 100% so they're offering sign on bonus + equity. They just finished their series B at a 500M valuation. Having never done equity, is there a primer on negotiating it?
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Jun 6, 2019 19:47
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Yes: Equity is worth $0.
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Jun 6, 2019 20:55
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Until it isn't. Take a 10% salary cut and roll the dice. Series B valuation is worth at least something - it's not just a few guys with some buzzwords, they've at least got their poo poo together that a group of people believes they are worth money.
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Jun 6, 2019 21:02
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https://robertheaton.com/2015/11/02/how-to-value-your-startup-stock-options/
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Until it isn't. Take a 10% salary cut and roll the dice. Series B valuation is worth at least something - it's not just a few guys with some buzzwords, they've at least got their poo poo together that a group of people believes they are worth money. Yea, the guys that started this were C guys from F100 investment banks and the company has their poo poo together, this isnt a pop up shop. It is a 10% salary cut actually, but if the equity is realized I can finally get my boat
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Jun 6, 2019 21:15
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Sepist posted:I can finally get my boat So it's definitely worth $0, then.
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Jun 6, 2019 21:20
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Sepist posted:Yea, the guys that started this were C guys from F100 investment banks and the company has their poo poo together, this isnt a pop up shop. Given what I know about you from these threads you can probably afford that 10% cut, right? Might as well give it a shot.
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Sepist posted:Yea, the guys that started this were C guys from F100 investment banks and the company has their poo poo together, this isnt a pop up shop.
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:I knew it was a 10% cut because I am on the board of the company that offered you the job. Sign the friggin offer letter. This just took an interesting turn.
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:I knew it was a 10% cut because I am on the board of the company that offered you the job. Sign the friggin offer letter. Rofl. Thread got good again.
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I haven't been this exciting by my own posting since I fired that goon a few years ago.
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