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Just watched a contrast paint on a tank vid and it didn't work well at all. I don't know if I'll bother with it outside of maybe something really specific coming up because I like my current methods and think the results are better. I'll have a think about it for fish mounts or fish elves themselves but I reckon a fast gradient airbrush then inks or washes will be better and take the same amount of time anyway.
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I’m going to feel like an idiot for buying $30 worth of green if a single contrast and drybrush will do the same thing lol
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Yeah it definitely seems like it won't be helpful for large flat surfaces, which makes sense since the whole idea is based on the way it flows into crevices and creates a gradient. But this video where he paints a carnosaur in 40 minutes definitely made me a believer for anything organic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93PBRqZ8r4U
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Jun 6, 2019 14:03
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That yellow on the carnosaur looks awful. I like that blue for skipping a wash though.
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Jun 6, 2019 14:20
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The yellow is a bit too green I think but that blue is slick as gently caress imho.
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Jun 6, 2019 14:26
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Professor Shark posted:I’m going to feel like an idiot for buying $30 worth of green if a single contrast and drybrush will do the same thing lol Get into historicals, where you still, somehow, always have the wrong green.
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Jun 6, 2019 14:29
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Jun 6, 2019 14:35
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JBP posted:Just watched a contrast paint on a tank vid and it didn't work well at all. I don't know if I'll bother with it outside of maybe something really specific coming up because I like my current methods and think the results are better. I'll have a think about it for fish mounts or fish elves themselves but I reckon a fast gradient airbrush then inks or washes will be better and take the same amount of time anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-UmUq0e9g4 It actually turns out looking better than I expected but also this isn't at all the use case for Contrast. GuardianOfAsgaard posted:x-posting these boys and girls: Mother of gently caress these rule so hard.
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Harvey Mantaco posted:That yellow on the carnosaur looks awful. I like that blue for skipping a wash though. I'm excited to try that blue for the robes of my AdMech.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:51
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Inspector_666 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-UmUq0e9g4 Yikes, a standard basecoat and edge hightlight would look way better.
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Jun 6, 2019 16:12
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GuardianOfAsgaard posted:x-posting these boys and girls: Awesome. What did you do for basing? It looks like a mix of agrellan earth and astrogranite.
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Crossposting from the 40K thread:JackMann posted:Got stuck a bit longer on deployment than I thought. While I'm waiting to get travel home taken care of, I've been taking advantage of the downtime to paint a painboy.
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Inspector_666 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-UmUq0e9g4 This looks like something that matches my quality of painting, to give you an idea of how bad this looks.
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To be honest, I'm more interested in seeing what the competition does with something like Contrasts. I don't know if it'd even be possible, but doing it as an additive to mix in with your regular paints would be rad. I just don't know if I'd want to use Contrast paints enough to buy a wide range of them, since the results look great for some stuff, but just ok (or even bad!) for others.
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Games Workshop is advertising these as paints meant for battle ready figures. So like if you're looking to do the sort of stuff we typically do and show off in this thread, then contrast paints are a bad buy apparently. One of the things that is confusing to me is GWS describing how certain colors look bad ontop of contrast paints. Does this apple to layer/base paints as well? I don't think they have clarified.
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Contrast paints are made for two reasons: people new to the hobby, and those wanting to bang out an army to tabletop standard quickly. Can people more experienced with painting find a use for it? Oh yeah, for sure. I'll probably pick up a bottle or two to play around with to see how they work. I'd love it if I could find a non-airbrush method to get a good red or yellow coverage with minimal effort, and Contrasts will likely help massively for when I'm doing Bloodbowl commissions. But will they become a staple of my painting rack? Eeeeh, probably not.
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Yeah, I'm not expecting brilliant results with 'em. I'm just hoping for something that will let me knock out a box of boyz in less than the two to three weeks it currently takes me.
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I'm looking at it from a different perspective; there's nothing preventing you from hitting the Contrast-painted model with a varnish and then adding more to it. I already do a lot of work with transparent colors (inks, washes, etc) so this looks like a really fun suite of colors to work with. Give people a year or two to play with them and I suspect the results will be even more impressive. A few things I've gathered from the videos: 1. The lightest color you produce will always be in the beginning. Contrast is an inherently darkening process, so starting off as bright as possible is critical. 2. Contrast requires... contrast in order to work. Because the paint is so thin it's easy to pool, especially on flat surfaces. Your best bet is to use it on complex, geometrically interesting items as opposed to something like the flat armor of a tank. 3. This is not a paint system for sloppy painters. You have to be extremely careful with overages; the translucency of the paint means you'll get a mixed color (which could be cool) instead of coverage. You have to re-prime and then re-paint. 4. Interesting things occurs with multiple passes. You can establish a gradient, 5. You're not restricted to the primer colors. For example it's possible to apply Contrast over something like a metallic. Overall this seems like a powerful set of tools. I plan on getting the complete set.
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I think I'm probably really close to the target audience and I'm really excited for them. I truly enjoy painting for a while, but being a terrible painter it's bracketed by anxiety from being intimidated by the model to quickly building frustration as paint is not behaving the way I want it to. These paints feel like they will free up a lot of mental space for working on technique incrementally rather than facing the whole challenge at once.
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I could see contrast working on vehicles that don't have huge expanses of flat surfaces like a rhino and has some 'texture' to their surface. I'd be curious to see how it works on a Taurox or some Chaos Daemon engine.
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:I think I'm probably really close to the target audience and I'm really excited for them. I truly enjoy painting for a while, but being a terrible painter it's bracketed by anxiety from being intimidated by the model to quickly building frustration as paint is not behaving the way I want it to. I think the idea that I could knock a miniature out in an hour is really exciting to me, especially for small projects like Blood Bowl, Necromunda, and Rogue Trader. Anything that gets me to address the backlog and try out new things will be great.
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Jun 6, 2019 22:09
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I might actually finish this one day. God this room has so much dust in it.   
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Jun 6, 2019 22:18
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I'm the 20 year old textured wallpaper.
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I'm really looking forward to these contrast paints so I can knock out my greebly-rear end second army.
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Knobb Manwich posted:Hey Melbourne goons, where do you get your gaming stuff from? I've been thinking about picking up some supplies depending on how many old paints I can salvage. I live a fair few hours away, but every few months I'm in the city and could pick up stuff in person. It'd be a nice way to temper my usual buy way too loving much poo poo at once when getting back in. To add to the list; House of War in Ringwood carries a lot of good brands like scale, gamers grass, and a bunch of others that I struggle to find elsewhere. Also Schraff / Windsor newton brushes. Battlefield Hobbies in Brooklyn/West Footscray carries the full scale colour range, as well as a lot of oils, AK interactive modelling supplies, some airbrushes etc And then for ordering online I'd recommend Mightyape, or BNA Modelworld
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Yeah, I definitely think Contrast paints will be useful for more than just banging out a decent-looking army quickly, but I don't think I want to buy a bunch of them when in practice, I probably wouldn't use them all that often. That's why I'm hoping for a Contrast additive, since it would let me use the range of colors I already have. Even if you mixed it in with inks or something, that would be a big improvement on having to buy a bunch of new paints.
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Avenging Dentist posted:Yeah, I definitely think Contrast paints will be useful for more than just banging out a decent-looking army quickly, but I don't think I want to buy a bunch of them when in practice, I probably wouldn't use them all that often. That's why I'm hoping for a Contrast additive, since it would let me use the range of colors I already have. Even if you mixed it in with inks or something, that would be a big improvement on having to buy a bunch of new paints. They're going to be selling contrast medium.
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Inspector_666 posted:They're going to be selling contrast medium. Oh really? I hadn't heard that. I'll definitely have to check that out.
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I’m pretty sure they’ve said that mixing contrast paints or medium with non contrast stuff will ruin the contrast effect.
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 I really wish he wasn't metal, the details are so poor. I don't think it was a terrible effort, but I'm getting better.
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Inspector_666 posted:They're going to be selling contrast medium. Looks like it's just meant to thin out Contrast paints, so that you could create a wash or tint. It doesn't seem like it will turn another paint in Contrast.
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I was planning on using them to do small parts of models, being able to get reasonable looking cloth/leather/bone can actually save a ton of time even if the rest of the model is done conventionally.
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Sultan Tarquin posted:I'm the 20 year old textured wallpaper. God bless, you think its only 20 years old.
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One thing I think these might be useful for is knocking out a bunch of Bones models. I think they might be pretty useful there, though it'll need some experimenting to see first. As always with Bones, the primer issue is going to come up. Will the paint adhere and look nice on Bones without primer? Will the contrast primers interact nicely with Bones, or will they have the perma-tacky problem? How do the contrast paints look on non-GW primers? Can I hit a Bones mini with an airbrush of Vallejo white and then have the contrast paints play nice with it? I've got a ton of Bones minis, and being able to knock a few of them out really fast for a D&D game appeals to me.
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Marzipan Pig posted:I might actually finish this one day. God this room has so much dust in it. It's good to have you posting again, I remember your Tzeentch birds!
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That knight is one of my favourite things I’ve seen here for a while.
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Is his crotch distractingly shiney? I can't decide if I need to tone down the big mechanical crotch.
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JackMann posted:One thing I think these might be useful for is knocking out a bunch of Bones models. I think they might be pretty useful there, though it'll need some experimenting to see first. Contrast paints work over any primer, but you don't want to go much darker than medium grey. Can't say if they would work on unprimed bones models, but my guess would be no.
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I had assumed it'd get a wash or something to tone it down a notch.
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