Snow Cone Capone posted:

I wasn't trying to dunk on anyone

I mean this thread is full of people overreacting to opinions but honestly, I expected at least 1 person to freak out when I said PoE2 is mediocre as hell, but not for the reason of "you have an issue with poorly-implemented D&D concepts? git gud you big baby "

poverty goat posted:

Malcolm Turnbeug posted:

Apparently in the glorious land of America you can exhibit insane behaviour and receive absolutely no help or support wow loving owned

Malcolm Turnbeug posted:

Apparently in the glorious land of America you can exhibit insane behaviour and receive absolutely no help or support wow loving owned

poverty goat posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcP0WdH7rTs

QuarkJets posted:

didn't the pc literally ascend to godhood already

2house2fly posted:

This won't involve the same character, they're just using the name for brand recognition

poverty goat posted:

"Baldur's Gate" is the name of a city. My guess is, it's called baldur's gate because it is set there

mind the walrus posted:

Hey did you know I had the title line in Star Wars?

2house2fly posted:

This won't involve the same character, they're just using the name for brand recognition

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Baldur's Gate 3 will similarly give players lots of tools and then let them have at it. "We'll stay true to our roots," says Vincke, "so we'll give players lots of systems, and lots of agency to use these systems and try to accomplish what you need to on your adventure. That's not going to change; that's the core of what we're doing."

There are some things on the chopping block, however. It's an interpretation of D&D, specifically 5th Edition, because porting the core rules, which Larian tried to do, doesn't work. Or it works, Vincke clarifies, but it's no fun at all. One of the culprits is missing when you're trying to hit an enemy, and while the combat system has yet to be revealed, you can at least look forward to being able to smack people more consistently.

"You miss a lot in D&D—if the dice are bad, you miss," he says. "That doesn't work well in a videogame. If I do that, you're going to review it and say it's poo poo. Our approach has been implementing it as pure as we can, and then just seeing what works and what doesn't. Stuff that doesn't work, we start adapting until it does."

This interpretation should still be more true to the tabletop RPG than its predecessors, however, capturing the feel of D&D even if it's not borrowing every single system and rule. Some of this is because of a difference in technology. Black Isle faced a lot of limitations that Larian doesn't. The studio has invested heavily in this side of things, as well as in staff, who now number in the hundreds. Internally, 200 people are working on Baldur's Gate 3, while another hundred are working on it externally.
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To save Baldur's Gate you'll need a party of heroes, and like a typical D&D party they're all the protagonists of their own stories, each with their own motivations and ambitions. When you make a character, you'll be filling in your character sheet, essentially, not just with abilities and skills, but backgrounds, personality traits and ideals. If you make a Mage, you'll be able to look at the last pages of your Players Handbook and find, for the most, exactly same spells. You'll have all the pieces you need to make a D&D adventurer.

While he's not ready to confirm that it will feature in Baldur's Gate 3, Vincke's also interested in taking another crack at Original Sin 2's origin system, which gives players premade characters with unique backgrounds, quests and talents. They're better defined than their custom counterparts, and more connected to the world.

"I thought the origin stories were a really good addition to the RPG genre, like we did them, and it would be strange if we went back on that," he says. "The ambitions for the origin stories in Original Sin 2 were actually higher than what we managed to do, though we did it well if you think about all that we fit in there, but there's so much more that can be done with it. I'd certainly be interested in exploring it."

You'll be controlling your whole party, but Baldur's Gate 3 will also let you strike out on an adventure with pals. Larian's not ready to spill the beans on how the multiplayer system will work, but something resembling their last two co-op systems seems likely, letting each player choose exactly where to go and what to do independent of the rest of the party. It's how it works in D&D, too, where parties can split up and one player might be getting sozzled in the tavern while another is trying to pilfer a relic from a nearby temple.

Despite the success of Larian's last two Kickstarters, it won't be going down the crowdfunding route this time. It's in large part to those successes that it doesn't need to. Larian will still be publishing the game itself, as well as involving the community and posting regular updates. For prospective players wanting to follow the game's development, there won't be much of a change. For Larian, though, it's the studio's greatest challenge, and when players finally get to return to Baldur's Gate, Vincke thinks they'll be very surprised by what they find.

"We're going beyond what we've done before to make it the game it deserves to be. That sounds like a slogan—it is a slogan—but it's true."

Rutibex posted:

it won't even be D&D. the guys making this baldurs gate game have decided that dice rolls are unfun and need to be taken out. i think its going to be more like baldurs gate: Dark Alliance:
https://www.pcgamer.com/baldurs-gat...ef9DafkBc2910_A

mind the walrus posted:

All I know about Baldur's Gate is that my most annoying childhood friend would not. shut. the. gently caress. up. about it and so I'm very nonplussed to see a new one.

Lambert posted:

X-Plane

Chomp8645 posted:

Saying "roll-to-hit is bad game design" as a blanket statement is kind of lol. Like it's really all about the implementation and how it functions within the game. It can be good, or it can be bad.

Like yeah we've all seen terrible roll-to-hit mechanics. Morrowind is a good example of roll-to-hit done poorly. But lol has this guy never heard of XCOM? Or FTL? They roll dice to hit and people love them!

itsmybirthday_2day posted:

• RPGs that give you enough skill points or level ups or whatever to max everything are not fun. Make me use my brain a little bit. And I'm boring enough in rl, let my character have an identity via a build at least. A good RPG should only give me the option to be proficient in like 25-30% of the stuff depending on my build. Games that let you get access to all the skills or whatever should just ditch pretending to be an RPG and give you access to everything from the start and be designed around it. Not every game needs an inconsequential leveling system.
  
• The Witcher 3 is boring as poo poo.
  

mind the walrus posted:

All I know about Baldur's Gate is that my most annoying childhood friend would not. shut. the. gently caress. up. about it and so I'm very nonplussed to see a new one.

William Henry Hairytaint posted:

Hahaha they're making a Baldur's Gate 3 and they're acting like it's a big deal because it has that name.

Hey lets make an RPG and name it after the poo poo-tier RPG that doomed us to two decades of real time with pause battle systems, that'll surely draw many dollars.

BALDURS GATE SUCKED REAL TIME WITH PAUSE SUCKED

Miniature Giant Space Hamster ahahaha go for the eyes boo monkey cheese rocket ship!

poverty goat posted:

In dnd it makes sense because you're down in the weeds rolling dice and everything has significance but in the infinity engine for example your party is just rolling away automatically a few times a second and if you notice that your dudes are missing a lot you have to stop the game dig through a combat log and then only if you already understand thac0 can you make sense of it. This makes for bad gameplay, in a computer game

2house2fly posted:

I don't know why it would be confusing, they were popular games.

poverty goat posted:

In dnd it makes sense because you're down in the weeds rolling dice and everything has significance but in the infinity engine for example your party is just rolling away automatically a few times a second and if you notice that your dudes are missing a lot you have to stop the game dig through a combat log and then only if you already understand thac0 can you make sense of it. This makes for bad gameplay, in a computer game

mind the walrus posted:

It works in turn-based, but not real-time with pause.

poverty goat posted:

In dnd it makes sense because you're down in the weeds rolling dice and everything has significance but in the infinity engine for example your party is just rolling away automatically a few times a second and if you notice that your dudes are missing a lot you have to stop the game dig through a combat log and then only if you already understand thac0 can you make sense of it. This makes for bad gameplay, in a computer game

Plan Z posted:

XCOM's system is terrible and people only put up with it because of what the rest of the game does so well. The most die-hard fans of them even tell you that you should save-scum.

Serephina posted:

Literally untrue, especially on these forums. Come to the XCOM2 thread, and not a single person there is advocating for save-scumming. Have you considered that maybe you're just bad at the game and are projecting?

Regarding Baldur's Gate 3, I'd care more about an announcement video if it featured literally anything about the game itself, rather than a rendered mini-movie made by an unrelated studio.

Serephina posted:

Literally untrue, especially on these forums. Come to the XCOM2 thread, and not a single person there is advocating for save-scumming.

Serephina posted:

Literally untrue, especially on these forums. Come to the XCOM2 thread, and not a single person there is advocating for save-scumming. Have you considered that maybe you're just bad at the game and are projecting?