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TwoPair posted:On the flip side, who has the most original attacks? I want to say Piccolo since he cooks up all sorts of poo poo (that never works so he can job to other characters) but maybe Tien? Piccolo doesn't really job when he uses an original attack. Special beam cannon worked and hell zone grenade remains one of the coolest moves and..could have worked, but 17 and him got distracted afterward anyway.
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Monaghan posted:That's kinda lessened by him learning that poo poo off screen. Everything we saw was just him getting used to the gravity. Goku might be a fast learner but he's probably a loving awful teacher.
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Beamed posted:Piccolo doesn't really job when he uses an original attack. Special beam cannon worked and hell zone grenade remains one of the coolest moves and..could have worked, but 17 and him got distracted afterward anyway. Hellzone Grenade finally got to work in the ToP though, that was neat, and the Makankosappou is still considered an extremely dangerous move even by Super, though with the problem of needing a charge time. PaletteSwappedNinja posted:Goku might be a fast learner but he's probably a loving awful teacher. We've seen what his training did in Gohan. Kid was completely unwilling to fight afterwards.
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Jun 7, 2019 03:57
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:Goku might be a fast learner but he's probably a loving awful teacher. Uub sucks so this checks out
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Jun 7, 2019 04:06
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Also learning IT does nothing for anyone other than Goku because everyone else sucks and is bad so all it does is give them a quick escape and everyone already knows the solar flare so who cares
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Jun 7, 2019 04:07
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:Goku might be a fast learner but he's probably a loving awful teacher. Yeah, says something that Vegeta is a lot better at teaching the U6 Saiyans. I think Goku has trouble understanding that what works for him doesn't work for other people all the time. Master Roshi is actually a professional in at least that, given while his training is intense he makes sure they're also fed and rested fittingly and at least tries to include a rounded education. (Questionable at best teaching materials aside) Of course, no one ever really trains Goku the same way twice.
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Roshi's training in Dragon Ball was legitimately cool, finally past Toriyama's creepy "humour", the way he taught those boys was neat, skipping milk runs, hand digging trenches, chilling out in the afternoon, reading and studying, the turtle hermit has a robust and well thought out regime that should give you a great life. It's why his final kamehameha in the ToP is one of my favourite moments in the entire run of Dragon Ball, aside from the creepy poo poo his motto is legit cool and it being his final lesson to his students owns. Goku is still too dumb to read, but Krillin turned out really well and is a phenomenal husband and father. Broly should definitely seek his tutelage (that giant motherfucker skipping with milk, then hammock naps would be great). snickothemule fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Jun 7, 2019 |
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How would you adapt it to already fit Broly's strength at this point? Make him do that poo poo at like 3000 times earth gravity?
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Maybe just give him one really full glass that he can't spill a drop. Get him to control his power. Otherwise he'd probably skip with the entire farm.
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Crabtree posted:How would you adapt it to already fit Broly's strength at this point? Make him do that poo poo at like 3000 times earth gravity? the ppl who he delivers milk to berate him for forgetting the pizza and he's gotta not snap into a rage
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That said though, the last dubbed DBS episode indicates that if you can keep up with Goku, you can actually learn a ton from him, especially since he's actually quite good at scaling his power and technique up and down to match an opponent. Helps if you have the Saiyan knack for adapting mid-fight, though I get the impression in general that Saiyans learn best through action. Hell, Goku actually turns out to be a pretty great farmer once he is made to concentrate on it. Probably helps that he saves a ton in equipment and labour costs with his super-strength. (He even seems to mostly grow root vegetables and brassica, stuff that usually has to be harvested by hand, and thus is suited to doing all by himself) Though says something that the people who learn the most from Goku are mostly the people who fight him, which includes... well, most of his enemies turned friends, but also Freiza, while it took a couple of deaths Frieza does consciously emulate Goku in a way, putting in hard work for the first time in his life and meditating on technique and tactics specifically to beat the monkeys at their own game. (I still reckon Freiza stomped the Yardrat with flee because he'd been theorygaming while in Hell specifically on how to deal with Goku's Instant-Transmission just in case)
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Blaze Dragon posted:the Makankosappou is still considered an extremely dangerous move even by Super, though with the problem of needing a charge time. That's funny because Piccolo says the charge time is because the technique is still incomplete, yet Super sticked to it. There's one instance of Piccolo using a nameless but similar shaped ki blast against Nappa that people have theorized is the completed Makankosappou but choose to ignore it because that'd be super lame.  
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snickothemule posted:Roshi's training in Dragon Ball was legitimately cool, finally past Toriyama's creepy "humour", the way he taught those boys was neat, skipping milk runs, hand digging trenches, chilling out in the afternoon, reading and studying, the turtle hermit has a robust and well thought out regime that should give you a great life. It's why his final kamehameha in the ToP is one of my favourite moments in the entire run of Dragon Ball, aside from the creepy poo poo his motto is legit cool and it being his final lesson to his students owns. Roshi taught Goku to read using porn mag articles, so Roshi never really stopped with the creepy poo poo.
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snickothemule posted:Roshi's training in Dragon Ball was legitimately cool, finally past Toriyama's creepy "humour", the way he taught those boys was neat, skipping milk runs, hand digging trenches, chilling out in the afternoon, reading and studying, the turtle hermit has a robust and well thought out regime that should give you a great life. It's why his final kamehameha in the ToP is one of my favourite moments in the entire run of Dragon Ball, aside from the creepy poo poo his motto is legit cool and it being his final lesson to his students owns. Roshi's training was insane and dangerous and would've left Goku and Krillin with all sorts of chronic back and joint problems if they didn't have access to Senzu beans
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Petiso posted:That's funny because Piccolo says the charge time is because the technique is still incomplete, yet Super sticked to it. Wow, that is lame. If you use both hands, isn't it just the Kamehameha?
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The Bee posted:Wow, that is lame. If you use both hands, isn't it just the Kamehameha? Corkscrew The idea being the kamehameha is blunt force, makankosapou is piercing damage. Kienzan is slicing. Vegetto’s spirit sword is also piercing. Trunks’ genki sword is a lightsaber  Uhhh...mafuba is basically telekinesis/sealing Genki dama supposedly only damages the evil in its target, but in practice seems to just be kind of like a shocking/electrocution type of thing Death Beam is piercing/telekinesis/exploding all in one! Roshi also has an electric shock move. Pretty much everything else is just...a beam. A big blast of blunt force.
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Gripweed posted:Roshi's training was insane and dangerous and would've left Goku and Krillin with all sorts of chronic back and joint problems if they didn't have access to Senzu beans what senzu beans didnt exist for like 100 more chapters and didnt even really heal when introduced
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Kild posted:what senzu beans didnt exist for like 100 more chapters and didnt even really heal when introduced Kids heal faster. They started taking Senzu beans when they were in their twenties, just before the chronic problems from Roshi's training and 10x Earth's gravity training would've started really kicking in.
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Petiso posted:That's funny because Piccolo says the charge time is because the technique is still incomplete, yet Super sticked to it. Maybe that's the completed Makankosappou as he planned it, with a better use time / power ratio, but since he's always fighting people stronger than him from here on, often with help, the stronger, "incomplete" version with the long charge time is actually more useful?
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It's probably just that the Super writers forgot that detail.
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It's pretty consistent throughout Dragon Ball that attacks with long windup can let weaker characters push well above their weights, so if Piccolo is fighting someone way stronger than him it makes sense he's going to do the supercharged good version of the technique rather than the instant one that produces a small dust cloud and little else.
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It also holds true for super powerful characters, though I think Goku figured that no one's going to let him get away with the Instant-Transmission Kamehameha again who doesn't have a murder fetish as big as Cell's. Alternatively, Vegeta in particular seems to have a preference for powers that put out a shitload of energy at a time, but extremely inefficiently. (death-or-glory attacks basically) The Stardust Breaker has similar traits to the Genki Dama in doing bonus damage against evil people right? (Funny thing is that it was probably ineffective against DBS Broly because he wasn't actually evil) I do wonder where Gogeta got that from? Maybe an adaptation of the Spirit Bomb with Vegeta's abovementioned liking for more immediate attacks. Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Jun 7, 2019 |
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amigolupus posted:It's probably just that the Super writers forgot that detail. I mean, yeah, but that's not as much fun.
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Gripweed posted:Kids heal faster. They started taking Senzu beans when they were in their twenties, just before the chronic problems from Roshi's training and 10x Earth's gravity training would've started really kicking in. Yeah but both Goku and Vegeta train at multiple times gravity all the fuckin' time (Vegeta in particular spends a ridiculous amount of time in his gravity room) without taking any senzus and never suffer from any sort of problems later. But then I guess if you wanted you can chalk that up to yet another case of bullshit Saiyan DNA giving them life hacks.
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TwoPair posted:Yeah but both Goku and Vegeta train at multiple times gravity all the fuckin' time (Vegeta in particular spends a ridiculous amount of time in his gravity room) without taking any senzus and never suffer from any sort of problems later. But then I guess if you wanted you can chalk that up to yet another case of bullshit Saiyan DNA giving them life hacks. basically every single training technique used in dbz would leave an actual person with debilitating permanent injuries
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gently caress Fusions' Superman 64 ring challenges.
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Gripweed posted:gently caress Fusions' Superman 64 ring challenges. Superman 64 was my first thought as well but they aren't nearly as bad. They're still an unneeded distraction from the actual game though.
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Blaze Dragon posted:Superman 64 was my first thought as well but they aren't nearly as bad. They're still an unneeded distraction from the actual game though. I didn't mind the first couple, but when they got hard, and especially when they introduced those purple balls that pull you off course, gently caress that. Don't make the player do tricky flying on the drat 3DS
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Shindragon posted:I’m just being tongue in cheek about it. It’s amazing that Goku uses the Kamehameha just by observing Master Roshi using to take out the fire from Oxs castle being on fire. And Yamcha and Krillin learn it by seeing it done once or twice as well. So is it amazing, really?
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Well they all turn out to become strong enough to destroy worlds so Roshis training seems to have given effect
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Gripweed posted:The Janembuu fight is pure misery I remember Janembuu being kind of hard, yeah, though not the worst boss fight in the game. That one is undeniably Baby Hirudegarn.
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Blaze Dragon posted:I remember Janembuu being kind of hard, yeah, though not the worst boss fight in the game. That one is undeniably Baby Hirudegarn. The gimmick was kinda annoying, but not too bad when I got the hang of it. Plus you could actually kil the rest of his team. But the Janembuu fight, where basically your only strategy is to just wait for your meter to build up until you can do the 5 man fusion and hope to KO him sucks. Especially because the bad guys start getting faster as the match goes on so they get more turns than you. I fighting what I assume/hope is the last boss now, and all the guys do the same thing, plus his allies endlessly respawn. It's just completely no fun. I didn't mind the combat in Fusions, it was mindless but enjoyable. Up until these last couple boss fights. As soon as the combat becomes hard, or starts taking a long time, it becomes complete rear end. These two fights have taken Fusions from something I'd recommend to DBZ fans to something I'd tell everyone to avoid
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I know I'm probably still the only goon who plays Dragon Ball Legends, but if you want to try it, the 1-year anniversary is going on with 10 free summons a day and added SSB Goku Vegeta and Golden Freiza. ....I am so alone. 
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Waffleopolis posted:I know I'm probably still the only goon who plays Dragon Ball Legends, but if you want to try it, the 1-year anniversary is going on with 10 free summons a day and added SSB Goku Vegeta and Golden Freiza. I actually just picked it up a few weeks ago and it's pretty decent. Definitely more involved than your average gacha game for good or ill. Because of the gacha nature of it my best card for quite a while was a 2 star GT Pan which was odd
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Ah, It's never too late to reroll if you're into that sort of thing. A reroll attempt should net you like 30 rolls (i'd recommend using gems on the current Goku banner instead of Vegeta). Just be aware that rerolls take like 10 minutes each since you gotta to the intro/tutorial before that give you access to the gacha banners I got lucky today and pulled Golden Friza for the 4th time, bumping him to 5-stars. He's an insane beast.
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Gripweed posted:Battle of Gods is so loving good Isn't it? I definitely think it's top-tier Dragon Ball. The series retelling suffers from really bad pacing and animation but I think it does improve one part of the movie I thought was pretty weak (namely Super Saiyan God, which gets a really terrible showing for how impressive it is meant to be), but it's nowhere near enough to stop the movie from being the absolutely definitive version of it.
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