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R. Guyovich posted:asexuals are definitely a thing but i haven't yet seen a convincing argument they're a separate identity on par with lgbt. you just don't see the kind of structural oppressions that define those other categories, or at least i'm not aware of them.
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Colonel Cancer posted:How can you say asexuals don't exist when your parents exist? Can you imagine your ma and dad ever having or wanting to have sex!?! I can imagine your ma and dad having sex all the time (with me)
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Jun 7, 2019 14:15
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well you see people sometimes make jokes about sex and that's very hurtful to people who's sexual identity is defined by not having any of it.
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Jun 7, 2019 14:16
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Dr. S.O. Feelgood posted:does being lgbt or on par with them require facing a lot of structural oppression and discrimination? that's a serious question, i wouldn't say it does. i feel like i hear similar things about bi people a lot too. anyway, one thing asexuals do have in common with them is lots of people just thinking they're mentally ill and need treatment for their "disease". i think a legit argument can be made that a lot of incels are really just asexuals who have gone insane from constantly being shat on because they dont get sex like they dont want sex because they think its something theyd enjoy doing they just want people to stop making GBS threads on them
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Jun 7, 2019 14:18
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there's no 'a' in lgbt!
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Jun 7, 2019 14:56
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Peanut President posted:there's no 'a' in lgbt! There is an 'a' in QUILTBAG, though.
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Jun 7, 2019 15:00
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Paladinus posted:There is an 'a' in QUILTBAG, though. which means....you should be free to do whatever you want?
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Jun 7, 2019 15:04
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Peanut President posted:which means....you should be free to do whatever you want? Not, it's a bag made of quilt.
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Jun 7, 2019 15:05
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Some Guy TT posted:i think a legit argument can be made that a lot of incels are really just asexuals who have gone insane from constantly being shat on because they dont get sex like they dont want sex because they think its something theyd enjoy doing they just want people to stop making GBS threads on them I think there are a few incels that are confused about their sexual identity (see: gb-sized photo galleries of handsome men in various states of undress saved to their hard drive for the purposes of "studying the features of a Chad") but it's first and foremost about hating women
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Jun 7, 2019 15:11
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the most hilarious thing about the incel movement was that it was created by a radical lesbian
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Jun 7, 2019 15:17
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Most asexuals would be the first to agree that they don't have it anywhere near as bad as the rest of the LGBT+ spectrum for the most part but there's genuine issues with living in a world where people expect you to want to gently caress and they seem to be genuinely sympathetic with said spectrum, so they've earned it.
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Jun 7, 2019 15:21
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i mostly just don't think it is *that* useful a discussion to pursue, e.g. it may be that racism is worse if you are black than if you are latino, but even if that gets established in some objective way does it inform anything? it is easy to get defensive to avoid the shithead "reverse sexism against cis heterosexuals!!1" takes, but i think that can be handled without being too precise about the in- or out-group.
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Jun 7, 2019 15:35
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being pressured into sex is bad and if just not liking sex in general is part of your identity you will face a lot of undue stress from society for sure
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Jun 7, 2019 15:37
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Chillgamesh posted:being pressured into sex is bad and if just not liking sex in general is part of your identity you will face a lot of undue stress from society for sure Yeah Id say modern celibates are more alienated from society than actively discriminated against. Sex is a consumer commodity that media sells, if you don’t have sex you’re directly and indirectly told that you’re a failure and fair target for dumb laughs.
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Jun 7, 2019 15:59
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Dr. S.O. Feelgood posted:does being lgbt or on par with them require facing a lot of structural oppression and discrimination? that's a serious question, i wouldn't say it does. i feel like i hear similar things about bi people a lot too. anyway, one thing asexuals do have in common with them is lots of people just thinking they're mentally ill and need treatment for their "disease". the need for lgbt status to be a protected class on par with racial minorities is based on an extensive, systemic history of discrimination and violence so i'd say it's a factor, yeah. there's nothing stopping a person from identifying as asexual but there are specific sociopolitical connotations to putting them in that protected class. i'm genuinely asking because my only exposure to these ideas has been online, probably due in no small part to the alienation and societal pressures already discussed.
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Jun 7, 2019 16:04
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Lgbt status isn't a protected identity, gender and sexual orientation are, talking about them as a subset of a larger group of people who exist outside the cis het norms does not require arguing for egal protections or that their plight be as oppressed as anyone else's
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Jun 7, 2019 16:15
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Like conflating lgbt as an acronym or a group with "protected class" as a defualt seems kinda silly because there are other issues that LGBT folk have to deal with that aren't covered by legal protections at all and really can't be
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Jun 7, 2019 16:17
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this is identity politics, to me
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Jun 7, 2019 16:21
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Business Gorillas posted:can someone explain to me why asexual is a thing? gently caress you get banned you piece of poo poo chud
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Jun 7, 2019 16:30
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R. Guyovich posted:asexuals are definitely a thing but i haven't yet seen a convincing argument they're a separate identity on par with lgbt. you just don't see the kind of structural oppressions that define those other categories, or at least i'm not aware of them. Oh well if you're not aware of them then, it must be fine. gently caress you.
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Jun 7, 2019 16:31
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Crazy, insane, idea over here - maybe you aren't exposed to minority viewpoints **because** of systemic oppression preventing people from feeling safe to openly discuss them, you deplorable neoliberal piece of poo poo cuck
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Jun 7, 2019 16:33
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gently caress YOU
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Jun 7, 2019 16:33
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gas this thread full of r bomb neoliberal chud bigots thanks
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Jun 7, 2019 16:36
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crazy cloud posted:gas this thread full of r bomb neoliberal chud bigots thanks Ban business gorillas at least
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Jun 7, 2019 16:38
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we get it you don’t gently caress
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Jun 7, 2019 16:39
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uncurable mlady posted:we get it you don’t gently caress That's not what you'll hear if you ask your mother. I'm just not a loving idiot bigot so I can understand perspectives other than exactly my own. Condolences on your piece of shif chud brain
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Jun 7, 2019 16:42
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crazy cloud posted:That's not what you'll hear if you ask your mother. I'm just not a loving idiot bigot so I can understand perspectives other than exactly my own. Condolences on your piece of shif chud brain my mother has dementia and can't consent so thanks for outing yourself as a rapist
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Jun 7, 2019 16:42
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uncurable mlady posted:my mother has dementia and can't consent so thanks for outing yourself as a rapist She's just faking the dementia to get out of interacting with her r bomb offspring hth
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Jun 7, 2019 16:43
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jesus, not even dickeye consecutive posts as much as you. calm the gently caress down, idiot
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Jun 7, 2019 16:44
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cspam when we don't talk about loving: holding hands in a chaste and friendly way, wearing sackcloth cspam when we do talk about loving: incivility, riots, pipebombs, tits everywhere
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Jun 7, 2019 16:45
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go work for raytheon you loving cop
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Jun 7, 2019 16:45
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i found the woke brand, it's u
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get that OUT of my face posted:jesus, not even dickeye consecutive posts as much as you. calm the gently caress down, idiot I'm also being at least somewhat polite today which feels weird
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Jun 7, 2019 16:46
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I'm also being at least somewhat polite today which feels weird justice for dickeye
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Jun 7, 2019 16:48
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I'm also being at least somewhat polite today which feels weird
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get that OUT of my face posted:the most hilarious thing about the incel movement was that it was created by a radical lesbian
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Dr. S.O. Feelgood posted:anyway, one thing asexuals do have in common with them is lots of people just thinking they're mentally ill and need treatment for their "disease". tbf anhedonia is also a thing and if you're at the doctor and mention a complete lack of sexual attraction that or something similar's gonna come up
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it is pretty easy to make a case that it is a lot easier to just be a closeted asexual, as you're not missing out on as much *beyond* how being closeted is loving awful. the issue with the tack the thread first took is really that the comparing-past-hardships approach is very hard to immediately separate from how the standard terf take works, on that side of things.
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I think you're underestimating just how hard society works to gently caress over anyone who doesn't fit into the accepted mold. Was a thread recently, maybe r/relationships where it came out how kids who are seen as cute find themselves being nagged from age 6 onwards about whether they have boyfriends/girlfriends and such
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for sure, minimized more than i should have there. was trying to just give the contrarian take a fair shake but actually overstepped quite badly thinking about it even slightly
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