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Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k

Vulture Culture posted:

I am in this exact situation today except my prospective employer hosts everything in AWS, where all networked systems will eventually end up

Is it a security company? I know you live near me so it would be funny if it's the same company

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Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

Sepist posted:

Is it a security company? I know you live near me so it would be funny if it's the same company
Nah, adtech

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

by the sex ghost
im the canadian cloud security guy now. suck it clam.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Methanar posted:

im the canadian cloud security guy now. suck it clam.

lol, feeling a little better today? You were a bit frazzled yesterday.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Methanar posted:

im the canadian cloud security guy now. suck it clam.

but how good is your union ?!?!?!?

Also did you take the new $$$ job offer or the original one?

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Methanar posted:

im the canadian cloud security guy now. suck it clam.

Lol we're all so hosed

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Can't wait for his first presentation at a security conference.

"So with this model, a single transient threat is referred to as a 'leaf'. On its own, a single leaf doesn't present much risk. However these type of threats usually present as a cluster of attacks. And for that I've developed a new tool called a Rake..."

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

by the sex ghost
I am responsible for the grounds and the clouds above them.

Docjowles posted:

but how good is your union ?!?!?!?

Also did you take the new $$$ job offer or the original one?

I took the singular $

Proteus Jones posted:

lol, feeling a little better today? You were a bit frazzled yesterday.

I'm still frazzled. I just wanted to tell clam to suck it

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Methanar posted:

I am responsible for the grounds and the clouds above them.


I took the singular $


I'm still frazzled. I just wanted to tell clam to suck it

I still want to drown you in beer

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Methanar posted:

I'm still frazzled. I just wanted to tell clam to suck it

Don’t we all?

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





I just make sure to tell him to suck it in this thread instead of the Android that cause he can't ban me here.

Yeah, that's right, suck it Clam.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Internet Explorer posted:

I just make sure to tell him to suck it in this thread instead of the Android that cause he can't ban me here.

Yeah, that's right, suck it Clam.

I will forever be vigilant.

Spring Heeled Jack
Feb 25, 2007

If you can read this you can read
So at my last review with my manager I asked about and he said he would look into getting me a title change/promotion/raise based on the work I’m doing now, which has moved from normal generalist sysadmin stuff to more working with azure/k8s/helping the dev guys.

Yesterday I get an email asking me to put together a list of responsibilities I have in this new space so they can create a title. I know IT titles can be a clusterfuck but they can look good on resumes. Should I be shooting for a more generic ‘sr network admin’ or going towards something like cloud architect?

Based on my job right now it seems like ‘cloud architect’ would best fit that I’ve been doing, but I’ve also been working with k8s and ci/cd stuff as well, as that’s where we’ve been shifting our workloads.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Having buzzwords in your title will help you find a better job, if it comes to that. Senior Devops Cloud Blockchain Architect is what you should be aiming for.

Sheep
Jul 24, 2003
FWIW I've always found you can put whatever you want as your title on your resume and internal titles don't really matter except for justifying raises and such internally.

Sheep fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Jun 8, 2019

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





Sheep posted:

FWIW I've always found you can put whatever you want as your title on your resume and internal titles don't really matter except for justifying raises and such internally.

My official title is "IT Server Administrator" oopsie that conveniently got typo'd into IT Senior Administrator since the guy who was senior of me left and that makes me senior by default

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go
My actual real title in real life is SW Engineering Manager II, because, you know, all that engineering I do. By the time it gets into my signature block, it is misspelled as "Manager - Hosting Operations"

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k
Were going minimalist. No titles. No roles either. Just come to work and you do you

FISHMANPET
Mar 3, 2007

Sweet 'N Sour
Can't
Melt
Steel Beams

Sepist posted:

Were going minimalist. No titles. No roles either. Just come to work and you do you

This but unironically. The closest thing I have to a real job title is "Sys/Database Design/Admin 3" which is my employment classification, or "Systems Administrator" which is what gets show in the directory for me and most of my coworkers, but I've legitimately used Senior Microsoft Administrator, ConfigMgr Engineer, Automation Engineer, and a whole bunch of other titles in the last 5 years in this job. My position hasn't changed but the what I choose to work on has.

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





I hate when I see a job posting and have to guess whether System Admin 1 is a junior or senior level position because everyone does it differently

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





It's silly. I have been in conversation with a company that posted a job posting with IT Specialist when it could easily be IT Manager / IT Director / CIO.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



IT specialist means they can point at salary data to pay you less.

Exit Strategy
Dec 10, 2010

by sebmojo
People at work just refer to me as "that guy who saved the company once" and are done with it.

nullfunction
Jan 24, 2005

Nap Ghost

Exit Strategy posted:

People at work just refer to me as "that guy who saved the company once" and are done with it.

Then you are an Architect.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

My first ever job was IT Specialist, lol. It was at a startup and I split time between desktop support and QA on their application. Titles in our industry are very silly.

Currently I am allowed to call myself either Principal Systems Engineer or Tech Manager, depending on which area I wish to emphasize. On either track at Google or something I would probably be Junior Snot Nosed Punk.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
IT Special < IT Specialer < IT Specialist

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

Currently a IT Lab Engineer.


Yes, I do mostly Helpdesk and some Sys Admin stuff and have only created two labs for people to QA their stuff on. :colbert:

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


My company calls me a senior consultant because it means they can bill $Texas for my work.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

IT Special < IT Specialer < IT Specialist

I appreciated this

Awful CompSloth
Dec 15, 2018
I got my A+ recently and I hope I can get a help desk job or something similar soon with it. I have no professional experience with IT though and I'm still working retail. I'm just wondering what kind of certs or general knowledge I should be going for now or in the near future when I'm looking to move past help desk. I think System Administration stuff is what I want to go for, so I'm interested in learning how to use Windows and Linux for that, especially Linux. Are there any online courses or certs I could go for? I heard MCSA is going away but I'm not sure if there's a direct replacement for it. What about cloud stuff? I hear that there's a lot of work in I would be open to learning Azure or AWS but would you think I would need a base in proper system admin or programming stuff first? I don't have either as of now. One more thing, what could I do "between" Help Desk and SysAdmin? Say I'm working at help desk for a while and maybe wanna take on some more hands on support work, or want to try to a little bit with the systems that keep everything running, but not at the full system admin level yet. What could I be learning on the way to get to that point?

cage-free egghead
Mar 8, 2004
I hear a lot of people recommend Powershell, especially to automate stuff. Azure or O365 may be good stuff to get caught up on too.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Powershell rules. Python does too, and is easy to learn imo. Both are interesting, useful, and fun.

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

Awful CompSloth posted:

What could I be learning on the way to get to that point?

I wish I had learned to use Vi/Vim better than I currently do, instead of being the peasant that uses nano/emacs.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Defenestrategy posted:

I wish I had learned to use Vi/Vim better than I currently do, instead of being the peasant that uses nano/emacs.

vim is poo poo. nano supremacy.

Awful CompSloth
Dec 15, 2018

Defenestrategy posted:

I wish I had learned to use Vi/Vim better than I currently do, instead of being the peasant that uses nano/emacs.



cage-free egghead posted:

I hear a lot of people recommend Powershell, especially to automate stuff. Azure or O365 may be good stuff to get caught up on too.



CLAM DOWN posted:

Powershell rules. Python does too, and is easy to learn imo. Both are interesting, useful, and fun.

Thanks guys, what about windows server 2016? Is that really important to learn in this field? For some reason I feel like you're supposed to learn that kind of stuff before Azure, like you can't "skip" from sysadmin straight to cloud. I guess Red Hat is like the Linux equivalent? Would you guys reccomend some courses on Udemy or something to learn this stuff?

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


Try ansible. Any good shop will be running it now or another system similar. Powershell the same for windows shops.

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

Awful CompSloth posted:

Would you guys reccomend some courses on Udemy or something to learn this stuff?

Build yourself a home lab with what ever kind of tech you want to learn and do projects or use it in your everyday life. Build a minecraft server with Azure, Set up your own network using VM's or physical machines, build a network and attack it using Kali. I think courses are useful if you learn that way, but I think labs are more useful if you have time and resources.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
Powershell is awesome, Xen XCP is awesome for virtualization and a lot of lessons learned there carry over to VMWare, learn some basic bash/shell and get familiar with Linux file structure and commands.

Setup a Xen Hypervisor, and you can build up a virtual network with devices like pfsense, etc.

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Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.
I have a few options on my plate right now, and I'm unsure whether to take/pursue the $$ startup with a ton of flexibility and growth potential, the $$$ remote consultancy that Methanar was talking to, or the $$$$ hedge fund that's just absolutely loving stupid money. I'm also anticipating an offer for an engineering manager role from LinkedIn and being a Microsoft employee for awhile might be kind of cool (but the constant travel to Sunnyvale/Mountain View isn't great for a role that's in an office to begin with)

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