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twistedmentat posted:That was a weird think in the 90s, I am pretty sure Quake 1 was the first game I remember having that. Though was using the CD for the sound better than having sound files? No, the first game I can remember that had a CD audio track included on a data CD (redbook audio) was The Seventh Guest from 1993, written by The Fat Man. There's a mix of live recorded and synthesized tracks, all contained on one continuous music track. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbMHAKot0yg If you want to listen to the whole soundtrack, just click on "The Seventh Guest Soundtrack Playlist" when the video ends. There are fifteen tracks on it I was surprised they never used these tracks in the actual game (aside from the intro music and cutscenes), but I figure they couldn't maintain the data rate for the FMV characters plus their voices and CD audio at the same time on 2x drives of the era. So you get the same tracks in General MIDI. Still surprisingly advanced game for it's day, and a true trailblazer for the 90s computer gaming generation. defaultluser has a new favorite as of 05:53 on Jun 6, 2019 |
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I have a CD single of "Little Things" by Bush, that has a data track that contains videos for "Little Things" and "Everything Zen" among other things. The data track only works on Windows XP and earlier. Later versions of Windows just see it as a regular audio CD, they don't see the data track.
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rockinricky posted:I have a CD single of "Little Things" by Bush, that has a data track that contains videos for "Little Things" and "Everything Zen" among other things. The data track only works on Windows XP and earlier. Later versions of Windows just see it as a regular audio CD, they don't see the data track. Are you sure modern OSes can't see the data track, or that MS just got rid of autorun "for your protection?" If you can see it in a CD ripper, you should be able to access the data portion under Windows Explorer, and just click autorun.inf yourself. You may still have trouble running things if it's a 16-bit program, but otherwise it should still work. EDIT: Did some reading, and it may be new optical drives are responsible for this, and you're just associating the "doesn't work on new machines" with the OS? Modern optical drives apparently don't have universal support for the multiple different hacks used by Enhanced CDs. https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/curse-enhanced-cds.725784/ defaultluser has a new favorite as of 06:33 on Jun 6, 2019 |
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Vanagoon posted:A lot of old "CD ROM Magazines" are like this. Tons and tons of content forever lost into the void of unsupported ancient quicktime hell. Even if you can get them to play on an old computer with old Mac OS or Windows 9x it seems to be outright impossible to convert them to any newer format. The first PC mag I ever bought back in '96 was an import of PC Zone with Quake on the cover disc. I'm not sure if it was that cover disc in particular, but I'm fairly certain one of them had a demo version of the Blender CD-ROM magazine. It had a story on Metallica who had just released Load, and within six months both Quake and Metallica would be obsessions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blender_(magazine) fappenmeister has a new favorite as of 11:35 on Jun 6, 2019 |
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defaultluser posted:I was surprised they never used these tracks in the actual game (aside from the intro music and cutscenes), but I figure they couldn't maintain the data rate for the FMV characters plus their voices and CD audio at the same time on 2x drives of the era. So you get the same tracks in General MIDI. Oh man, I remember there was some other game that did that, but I'm not sure which. The CD tracks were basically there to tease you with better-sounding versions. I feel like maybe it was one of the later Lemmings games, but I'm not sure. Also this reminds me that at least one Tomb Raider game actually took the concept about as far as it could possibly go and put dialog tracks on the CD, which would play in time with the in-game cutscenes. I don't think the characters' mouths actually moved (or if they did, it could only possibly have been very primitive) so it didn't really have to sync up anyway. Another fairly obscure one: Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo Hyperfighting for PC had Redbook audio versions of all the tracks and I think they were unique renditions not heard anywhere else, since arcade machines didn't use CDs. Unless one of the console ports also used them. But I think by the time it finally made its way to PC it had already been on consoles for years, so it might very well be its own thing.
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There are a lot of ISOs of CD-ROMs that came bundled with magazines (and other media) at archive.org. This is just one search string I thought was a good start - I'm sure, as is the archive.org way, there are poorly-tagged treasures to be found elsewhere. Content: I've been reading 90s Hulk comics lately. Ads were always trying to introduce these hip new mascots that appeared once and completely vanished because they sucked even by the very generous aesthetic standards of those wasteful years.  
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Pastry of the Year posted:There are a lot of ISOs of CD-ROMs that came bundled with magazines (and other media) at archive.org. This is just one search string I thought was a good start - I'm sure, as is the archive.org way, there are poorly-tagged treasures to be found elsewhere. That reminds me that they used to have both hot and sour nuclear warheads candy
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jojoinnit posted:Somewhere in my parents attic I saved an issue of Guitar World from 1999 where Ratt were still specifically blaming Nirvana for their downfall. It was something like "and just when you’ve put out the best album of your career this guy comes out and everybody decides you’re not cool anymore”. I mainly remember it coming off as incredibly whiney. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_hqTdxn2us It's basically the prototype for 2000s buttrock. Also, look out for a very special cameo at the end of the video.
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defaultluser posted:Are you sure modern OSes can't see the data track, or that MS just got rid of autorun "for your protection?" I would blame the OS, because it would work in XP but not in later versions, on the same hardware. Gonna have to spin up some old Windows VMs and try again.
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Vanagoon posted:A lot of old "CD ROM Magazines" are like this. Tons and tons of content forever lost into the void of unsupported ancient quicktime hell. Even if you can get them to play on an old computer with old Mac OS or Windows 9x it seems to be outright impossible to convert them to any newer format. Yea, Its amazing how much is lost because it was in a weird outdated format. LIke watching vids about old FMV games how you basically have to build a pentium 1 or 486 system to play any of the ones that never got rereleases down the road. Like I doubt you could play Ripper or Klingon Academy on a modern system these days from the original disk, and as far as I can see, you can't buy them on gog or anything. So I had a memory trigger today, about one of those "hey I find that attractive" moments. This song come on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymOjaaxRDLU and I was "Oh that's right, my thing about short hair and redheads come from Kathy Dennis." Aparently she wrote a bunch of hits for Britney Spears. She also has a cover of the song from Nightmare on Elmstreet 2 from when the kid is hetrosexually tidying his room. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xiwxfxVUZA Where I first heard it actually. And these are some 90s rear end videos. I was also thinking about how in a lot of things, if you wanted to show a woman was sexually aggressive, you gave her a bob. I guess you still see that, like any sitcom dominatrix always has a Major Kusanagi Wig on.
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twistedmentat posted:"Oh that's right, my thing about short hair and redheads come from Kathy Dennis." That but blondes and Marie Fredriksson of Roxette. Yeah, talk about 90s-rear end videos.
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twistedmentat posted:So I had a memory trigger today, about one of those "hey I find that attractive" moments. This song come on Well, I don't remember the first one, but I definitely remember the second one. I know that big factor in what I find attractive was definitely watching Elvira Mistress of the Dark, although that was definitely part of the 80's
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Still have that on my road trip playlist. Love that song.
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Cartoon Man posted:Still have that on my road trip playlist. Love that song. yeah, it's a great song
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Pastry of the Year posted:There are a lot of ISOs of CD-ROMs that came bundled with magazines (and other media) at archive.org. This is just one search string I thought was a good start - I'm sure, as is the archive.org way, there are poorly-tagged treasures to be found elsewhere. ahh i remember this,it was in the back of old 90's Marvel comics,same for those old musketeer chocolate bar ads and spot removal wipes.
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Iron Crowned posted:Well, I don't remember the first one, but I definitely remember the second one. Yea i'm trying to figure out why I love crazy goth women, because all the ones I can think of would be from after I would have been introduced to them. I'm thinking maybe Magenta from Rocky Horror? I know Columbia awoke something. Bonus 90s thing, me in the 90s!  Is SA having some issues with imgur?
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twistedmentat posted:Yea i'm trying to figure out why I love crazy goth women, because all the ones I can think of would be from after I would have been introduced to them. I'm thinking maybe Magenta from Rocky Horror? I know Columbia awoke something. You need the BBcode version that ends in .png. Like so.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:You need the BBcode version that ends in .png. Like so. Weird, when did that happen? I am thinking about where that picture was taken, if I had to guess, Busch Gardens Williamsberg.
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Christina Ricci as Wednesday was a good intro for me as an 8 year old with regards to Goth Girls. Also it may just be the fact that they are counter-culture and different but have a sexuality to it. For me, I always thought Fiona Apple was sssssssssssmokin’! Criminal was hot. She to me is the image of peak intellectual hipster indie woman that could literally eat every man alive and that is, well, appealing.
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I know for sure glasses wearing burnettes was Lisa Loeb.
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Yeah Lisa Loeb's 'Stay' was a big one for me. Her, and Shirley Manson. The video for Paranoid was damned near pornographic to 14 year old me. https://youtu.be/-45sR2rDhlE I think it was the chokers. Choker necklaces were very 90s.
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Antioch posted:Yeah Lisa Loeb's 'Stay' was a big one for me. Her, and Shirley Manson. The video for Paranoid was damned near pornographic to 14 year old me. I always rememeber an interview with Shriley Manson where she says that Marilyn Manson is trying to become her, "he's already got bigger tits than me". Also the Drummer for Garbage was Butch Vig, who was Nirvana's producer, which is why early Garbage always had a bit of Nirvana in it. Yea, chokers are defiantly a thing.
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I think it’s because in a time when you’re just experiencing puberty you get hit pretty hard by a counterculture that seemingly has a promise of readily available sexuality.
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twistedmentat posted:Also the Drummer for Garbage was Butch Vig, who was Nirvana's producer, which is why early Garbage always had a bit of Nirvana in it.
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My Twitter Account posted:He was actually the band's primary songwriter initially. The first album was already written and demos recorded before Vig and Duke Erikson decided they wanted a female vocalist. I like the first part, but not the second. That's cool. In that second wave of Grunge, I always found the worse to be Soul Collective. Their music always felt so manufactured and lacked that rawness the other bands had.
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twistedmentat posted:I like the first part, but not the second. That's cool. I really hated Bush for that same reason. They had the formula and image so polished and perfect and their lyrics were fridge poetry nonsense that only sounded meaningful if you were an idiot. Chuck Klosterman called them "the grunge Warrant". Imagined has a new favorite as of 03:45 on Jun 10, 2019 |
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Imagined posted:I really hated Bush for that same reason. They had the formula and image so polished and perfect and their lyrics were fridge poetry nonsense that only sounded meaningful if you were an idiot. Chuck Klosterman called them "the grunge Warrant". Yea, Bush was another that felt very contrived. And I always divide first and second wave grunge as the first being Nirvana, Dinosaur Jr, Meat Puppets, Soundgarden and the others that had been around for a while but only broke because Nirvana did. Then there's the bands that were newer that clearly only got a chance because the first group was doing well, that's your Collective Souls and Bush with Pearl Jam being the best out of them all.
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You're right except Pearl Jam doesn't deserve to be lumped in with the second group. Those guys were in the Seattle scene at the same time as the rest of them, not copycats or bandwagoners at all. And Meat Puppets predated grunge by about a decade. They were more post-punk or whatever you'd call Husker Du, Sonic Youth, etc.
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They're not grunge but one 90s band that I have always hate, hate, hated was Live. What even the gently caress was the point of that band. Live and The Black Crowes make me irritable. Absolutely loving hate them. Something about the sound of both of these bands makes me want to drive drill bits into my ears.
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Vanagoon posted:They're not grunge but one 90s band that I have always hate, hate, hated was Live. What even the gently caress was the point of that band. I also hated Collective Soul, Shine was somehow though in a special class of it's own, it was so ubiquitous for years, that if you set a movie or TV show in the 90's you just have to play that song. You could probably make a similar argument for Lighting Crashes. Mr. Jones was a strange one though, it was really popular for a time then just flat out disappeared from public consciousness. *After typing this all up, I realised that I was thinking of Counting Crows, not The Black Crowes. I am indifferent to the Black Crowes, but definitely hate Counting Crows.
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Live was overly sincere in that affected "affluent kid trying to get into an alt-girl's pants" way and it was really loving obvious to everyone but, alas, their target audience.
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The Black Crowes were great in that 1990-92 stretch, and I won't hear otherwise. 
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Iron Crowned posted:I also hated Collective Soul, In the 80s and 90s I used to make fun of people who liked dire straights because it was straight up middle aged man music. Then that happened to me with counting crows. I really disliked them in the 90s, but when I hit middle age, I kind of got what the singer was getting at. The first two albums seem realer to me now, whereas Live, Collective Soul, and Bush are still garbage.
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Seldom Posts posted:In the 80s and 90s I used to make fun of people who liked dire straights because it was straight up middle aged man music. Collective Soul rocks in live shows but their records are always extremely inoffensive and bland. Every time they show up at a festival the reviews are uniformly people talking about how they overshadowed the main event. I don't get how they can't translate the energy and mixing they use live into their recordings. They also did a live album with an orchestra that actually fit the music really well.
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There's always been bands who are way better live than recorded, for some reason.
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All band suck. Especially your favorite. Yes, you, person who is reading this. Your favorite band is the worst thing in the history of things and murdered music.
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Trabant posted:The Black Crowes were great in that 1990-92 stretch, and I won't hear otherwise. They were pretty solid into the late 90s-early 2000s, really. Every album had at least 2-3 great songs on it.
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