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colachute posted:I think that’s my biggest takeaway. When the suspect submits what are you waiting on? My anecdotal guess with only the very limited information in that video? Someone with authority, balls, and experience to take over because the little baby cop who was talking didn't know what the gently caress to do. Presumably the person doing the talking was the first on scene. The rest would have been responding, and for most of them they showed up to a man being held at gunpoint by their partner with not much other information. They probably didn't want to make a decision because the only person who really knows what is going on is the "suspect" and the first cop on scene. Obviously the solution is just to go up and cuff the guy. They were all so hopped up on adrenaline they didn't think it through until the camera woman screamed it out.
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Chichevache posted:Obviously the solution is just to go up and cuff the guy. They were all so hopped up on adrenaline they didn't think it through until the camera woman screamed it out. When you are being told, over and over, that your life is more important than your suspects, and your use of force is all about protecting you, rather than a method of responding in kind, its no surprise that most engagements with a suspect with result in death, and the slightest movement by a suspect, a person with little to no training on how to respond to a situation like this, can result in a sudden and lethal escalation resulting in their death. Its partially a training issue, partially an image issue.
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CommieGIR posted:When you are being told, over and over, that your life is more important than your suspects, and your use of force is all about protecting you, rather than a method of responding in kind, its no surprise that most engagements with a suspect with result in death, and the slightest movement by a suspect, a person with little to no training on how to respond to a situation like this, can result in a sudden and lethal escalation resulting in their death. Yeah. I know.
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one day people are gonna realize just how amazingly undertrained american cops are today is not that day
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also I was gonna watch the video but then I just went on with my life
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Reminder: to be a cop in Quebec, you have to spend three years doing a specialized course in community college. Here’s the program: http://www.johnabbott.qc.ca/academics/career-programs/police-technology/ See also nurses, merchant marine officers, daycare teachers, dental hygienists... FrozenVent fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jun 10, 2019 |
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Nostalgia4Dogges posted:
If the knife locks out, is more than 3" in length, then it's a pointed and/or bladed article and it's an offence to be carrying it. We have super strict knife laws but it hasn't stopped 40 knife murders in the first 3 months of the year, compared to only 5 firearm murders. The actual rate of non-fatal stabbings in the big cities is pretty astronomical by Western European standards at the moment.
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Jun 10, 2019 17:53
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Bernard McFacknutah posted:If the knife locks out, is more than 3" in length, then it's a pointed and/or bladed article and it's an offence to be carrying it. We have super strict knife laws but it hasn't stopped 40 knife murders in the first 3 months of the year, compared to only 5 firearm murders. Bunch of savages killing each other with hand to hand weapons.
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Jun 10, 2019 17:58
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Bernard McFacknutah posted:If the knife locks out, is more than 3" in length, then it's a pointed and/or bladed article and it's an offence to be carrying it. We have super strict knife laws but it hasn't stopped 40 knife murders in the first 3 months of the year, compared to only 5 firearm murders. Is that a meets all of the requirements or any of the requirements kind of law, cause it's a bit silly. My multi tool meets all of those and it gets used 10 to 20 times a day outside of work.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:I don’t think you’re British, but that Facebook page is very much for a UK law enforcement agency for whom a knife like that would be like the equivalent of a ghost gun with an extended magazine and suppressor to an agency in California. So under English/Welsh law (I'm not sure if it's the same in Scotland, they have common sense laws) literally anything can be used as a weapon, they are more or less broken in to three groups, the first are items that are primarily used to harm, so a hunting knife/crossbow etc, then 'modified' weapons, like a sharpened screwdriver and then improvised, and that could be a tennis racket if you hit someone with it or even just threaten them with it. That picture would be far less ridiculous if they had said that the items were seized during an arrest for 'going equipped to steal', because it looks like a toolkit for a burglary and you can get nicked for walking about with tools like that and showing the slightest intent, like looking through car windows or inspecting a lock on a door. I nicked someone for walking down the street with Rice flails, because they are always 100% illegal in public in the UK. The idiot was going to the park to do practice his Karate Kid moves and instead someone called the Police. It's an 'absolute' offence and even though there are some weird loopholes like 'dressing in historical regalia' which means you could carry a basket hilted sabre in public if you're dressed as a Cavalier, there is no such loophole for rice flails.
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Melthir posted:Is that a meets all of the requirements or any of the requirements kind of law, cause it's a bit silly. My multi tool meets all of those and it gets used 10 to 20 times a day outside of work. If you need a knife for work, that's okay, but you can't stop for a beer on the way home, that knife has to go straight to work and then straight back home with you. If the knife is under 3" and doesn't lock, like a pen-knife, then you can carry it without getting in the poo poo.
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Jun 10, 2019 18:03
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There was some basewide email a while back that said among other things that knives over "3 aren't allowed on the base. Pretty sure my Gerber has a knife that's technically illegal. I doubt I'd actually get in trouble for it. The main takeaway is that idiots keep getting caught with personal guns in their car.
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Bernard McFacknutah posted:So under English/Welsh law (I'm not sure if it's the same in Scotland, they have common sense laws) literally anything can be used as a weapon, they are more or less broken in to three groups, the first are items that are primarily used to harm, so a hunting knife/crossbow etc, then 'modified' weapons, like a sharpened screwdriver and then improvised, and that could be a tennis racket if you hit someone with it or even just threaten them with it. lol so if he was dressed like an Asian peasant he could have told you to suck it Bobby?
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Jun 10, 2019 18:12
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Chichevache posted:Referring to the amount of cops and the amount of cops only! I'm not defending anything, just addressing why so many would show. No, escalation is by definition not de-escalation. For the small subset of seized people who are 1) actually dangerous and 2) Capable of doing a rational cost-benefit analysis at that moment, escalation like this might work. However, the number of times the outcome is going to be worse far outweighs the times it will work.
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Jun 10, 2019 18:32
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If you escalate and no one fights back, it worked. If you escalate and win the fight, it worked. If you escalate and lose the fight, you didn't escalate enough. 
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FrozenVent posted:Reminder: to be a cop in Quebec, you have to spend three years doing a specialized course in community college. Here’s the program: This is really not much different than a US police department requiring an applicant to have an associates or bachelors degree in criminal justice, police studies, etc. Multiple technical colleges, like the one you linked, have programs to satisfy Quebec's police applicant education requirements which include so many credit hours of "policing technology" (re:criminal justice) education and a degree. Quebec's actual police academy is 15 weeks long.
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Smiling Jack posted:one day people are gonna realize just how amazingly undertrained american cops are Seems like they get plenty of training, just in all the wrong things.
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Fallom posted:Seems like they get plenty of training, just in all the wrong things. no, they don't even get a lot of lovely training cops, by and large, get almost no actual training past the academy. Most large departments will have some sort of bullshit CBT for liability issues, but that's about it.
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mlmp08 posted:If you escalate and no one fights back, it worked. If you escalate and win the fight, it worked. If you escalate and lose the fight, you didn't escalate enough.
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Fallom posted:Seems like they get plenty of training, just in all the wrong things. Considering the nature of the work it is almost no training at all.
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https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1138146954532118528?s=19 Need more information/video on the chopper hitting whatever it did. Edit: nooooope not my idea of fun https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1138148945136377857?s=19 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Jun 10, 2019 |
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Smiling Jack posted:no, they don't even get a lot of lovely training Cock and Ball Torture? Everything makes sense now.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/seanspicer/status/1138128231289249792?s=19 Holy poo poo. 😂
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Here’s something that’ll ruin your day. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...m=.6dbd6814f7cd
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Dingleberry posted:Here’s something that’ll ruin your day. Narrator: They linked it to them.
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Jun 10, 2019 19:53
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Dingleberry posted:Here’s something that’ll ruin your day. Hunters do it because they like killing and watching things die and if that part wasn’t important they would hunt and then not take the shot. Their behavior isn’t really atypical even if the target was protected.
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Dingleberry posted:Here’s something that’ll ruin your day. Three months and community service. Awesome.
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Fallom posted:Hunters do it because they like killing and watching things die and if that part wasn’t important they would hunt and then not take the shot. Their behavior isn’t really atypical even if the target was protected. No you see I really prefer to supplement my diet with the animals I hunt which is why I needed to poach a bear and her little cubs. Christ Almighty even genocidal Roosevelt wouldn't shoot a cub.
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Crakkerjakk posted:Three months and community service. Awesome. Justice!
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Fallom posted:Hunters do it because they like killing and watching things die and if that part wasn’t important they would hunt and then not take the shot. Their behavior isn’t really atypical even if the target was protected. I hunted growing up because I was poor white trash and I could fill my freezer full of venison for the cost of a 20 dollar deer tag and a hand me down 12 gauge shotgun. We'd butcher deer in my grandpa's barn by making proper cuts of meat for one and turning everything in deer burger.
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Wasabi the J posted:No you see I really prefer to supplement my diet with the animals I hunt which is why I needed to poach a bear and her little cubs. Well duh he found cubs cuter that Cubans. He did need glasses after all.
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Crakkerjakk posted:Three months and community service. Awesome. The state also took all of their guns, skis, and truck plus a $9k fine. Should they have both gone to jail for a while? In my opinion, yes, however they are definitely feeling it in their pockets. Not that it is matters, now they'll just look for a camera the next time they do it.
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My hate is reaching its purest state yet.
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Nostalgia4Ass posted:I hunted growing up because I was poor white trash and I could fill my freezer full of venison for the cost of a 20 dollar deer tag and a hand me down 12 gauge shotgun. We'd butcher deer in my grandpa's barn by making proper cuts of meat for one and turning everything in deer burger. I absolutely respect that, just not the suburban warrior who goes out to kill because looking at the packages in the grocery store doesn’t get him hard enough.
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Fallom posted:Hunters do it because they like killing and watching things die and if that part wasn’t important they would hunt and then not take the shot. Their behavior isn’t really atypical even if the target was protected. This is utter bullshit for the vast majority of hunters.
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A Bad Poster posted:The state also took all of their guns, skis, and truck plus a $9k fine. Should they have both gone to jail for a while? In my opinion, yes, however they are definitely feeling it in their pockets. did they take away their gun and hunting licenses for life?
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Cop chat: apparently the academy education is very comprehensive, researched, and progressive. Problem comes when a rookie cop shows up to the force and all the the training instructors tell him to dump all that is instruction out and have final say over how "Real Policing" is supposed to be.
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KirbyKhan posted:Cop chat: apparently the academy education is very comprehensive, researched, and progressive. Problem comes when a rookie cop shows up to the force and all the the training instructors tell him to dump all that is instruction out and have final say over how "Real Policing" is supposed to be. TrainingDay.mov
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The NRA sent me a card asking me to become a member so I guess they must really be hurting for money. Normally I only get mail from the ACLU and George Soros.
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