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Dawgstar posted:They continue to bring the facts. lmao I wanted to think this person was a child but his profile says he was born in '94. 
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mallratcal posted:lmao I wanted to think this person was a child but his profile says he was born in '94. Legally he might be an adult, but let's be honest, that's just an overgrown child.
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Funny, when I think of white people who get a tattoo written in Japanese that they think says "honour" but really means "pigfucker" I think of some meathead, but this guy has just replaced that image.
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Fifth time is the charm. https://twitter.com/renfamous/status/1138441412754780160
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I just like how creative she is with her twitter handles.
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Remember how that comedian did an exposé on Richard Meyer and he almost immediately disappeared into thin air Someone do that to evs tia
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Dawgstar posted:They continue to bring the facts. I think this person is mistaking the Yakuza video game franchise for reality.
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site posted:Remember how that comedian did an exposé on Richard Meyer and he almost immediately disappeared into thin air People been tryin'
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ImpAtom posted:I think this person is mistaking the Yakuza video game franchise for reality. ダメだねダメよダメなのよ
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Rhyno posted:People been tryin' I wonder what might finally do it. The chuds finally running out of money? (Probably not.) He gets caught in a Mundane Matt situation where everybody turns on him for Reasons?
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Dawgstar posted:I wonder what might finally do it. The chuds finally running out of money? (Probably not.) He gets caught in a Mundane Matt situation where everybody turns on him for Reasons? I think he will eventually run the well dry but he'll find some publisher willing to hire him.
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Dawgstar posted:I wonder what might finally do it. The chuds finally running out of money? (Probably not.) He gets caught in a Mundane Matt situation where everybody turns on him for Reasons? What is his deal, I have a friend that listens to him, and I'm hearing some worrying comments from him. Like my friend isn't alt-right or Gamergate, but loving hates Sarkeesian.
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Anora posted:What is his deal, I have a friend that listens to him, and I'm hearing some worrying comments from him. Like my friend isn't alt-right or Gamergate, but loving hates Sarkeesian. Your friend is alt-right and Gamergate.
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Skwirl posted:Your friend is alt-right and Gamergate. Or if they aren't, they will be in short order.
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Anora posted:my friend isn't alt-right or Gamergate, quote:but loving hates Sarkeesian. i have some bad news
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There's a lot of valid criticism to give some of Sarkeesian's lameass Feminism 101-esque takes but anyone who still "hates" her in 2019 is probably a shithead yeah
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What does your friend hate about Sarkeesian? That might be a place to intervene in the conversation. A lot of alt-right movements start by presenting a reasonable sounding gripe with a progressive writer or position using misleading or false evidence, and then building off of that. I had a very brilliant, kind room-mate a few years ago who chimed in on a conversation about Sarkeesian's videos with some snarky and not-very-correct sounding stuff, and it turns out he'd sort of happened to run up against the margins of some proto-gamer gate stuff in his various online perambulations. We talked to him a lot about it and eventually he backed way, way away from that rhetoric, but for him, as with others, the initial wedge was the "ethics in gaming journalism thing," with the sexism and racism hidden under a semblance of concern about the industry. I think I differ from the general tenor of this thread sometimes in thinking that in many cases you can talk people out of lovely beliefs, or rather, help them talk themselves out of it. There's a reason why the various -gates and broader alt right movements don't lead with their most shockingly regressive elements but rather prey on peoples' desires to belong and on their often undeveloped critical thinking skills, which, you know, is the American school system's fault as much as anything. I've had a good amount of students who come to college steeped in online sophistry and Jordan Peterson horseshit, and often just exposing them to other ideas and guiding them to other ways of thinking about stuff is enough to clear their heads. I do believe though that the deeper someone is in stuff like this, the harder it is to get them out. I think there are a lot of lines that, once, crossed, can be un-crossed, but just like 19th century "primitive rebellion" groups, loyalty is built up in incremental rituals (epistemological or otherwise) of renouncing or forsaken previously held norms. These movements burn bridges by design. They want a person's friends and loved ones to have a difficult time getting the person they used to know back. I wish you success and luck with your friend, and I hope you can have a really frank and direct talk with them about the slope they're on. Maybe they have valid gripes about Sarkeesian, maybe not, but in 2019, as stated above, it's a pretty loud dog-whistle. EDIT: Oh, sorry, your original question was about Mundane Matt. IIRC Mundane Matt was/is a youtube blogger and a prominent early adopter of GameGate stuff. He's a good example of what I was talking about, and that sort of slippery positioning of the goalposts, because as I remember his whole deal was a slimy sort of "well, I'm the voice of reason situated between the radical right and the loony left." Except, well, his "loony left" constituted a series of broad and unfair caricatures of progressive positions, and his "radical right" was basically a cartoon version of the KKK. So in effect, his "rational middle" was in relation to actual discourse, quite far to the right, but by reframing the terms of the debate in tricky and disingenuous ways, he managed to gull a lot of people into thinking he was just talking sense. For example, just poking around google to double check some stuff, you can find people (correctly) identifying him as right-wing or right-wing sympathetic for a host of reasons, and the occasional defender saying "well, he also talks poo poo about Trump," or "well, he also supports 'liberal causes' like legalizing weed." And maybe right- and left- wing are not the most useful terms here, because what's salient, and what makes him align so neatly and so insidiously with the fringes of reaction, is an aggressive hostility towards identity politics, and an aggressive hostility to any sort of industry representation outside of straight white men. He may file the serial numbers off of some of his politics, but they are, fundamentally, predicated on gussied up and faintly sanitized faith in white supremacy and misogyny. So yeah if your friend is watching his poo poo (which is quite weird to begin with because I think he was basically disowned by the alt-right for faking up drama or something) and buying into it you should really sit down and talk with them. How Wonderful! fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Jun 12, 2019 |
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It's a complicated position, he doesn't share many view points, like he doesn't mind women and minorities in games. But I think he's been poisoned on Anita (from listening to Matt), as the correct response to anything related to her at this should be a mix "who," to "oh that lady the chuds hate." He also is pretty easy to pull off of right leaning stuff, I've gotten him on Shaun and he loves Hbomberguy videos though, except the CAD one, mostly cause I think it hits him close to home, Contrapoints seems a bit to far for him, though he does tend to agree with her, and has nothing against Trans people. Also, we live in Kansas, so that's still super left out here. Anora fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Jun 11, 2019 |
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Remember that YouTube deliberately guides you towards more extreme videos as you watch, so yeah, nip that in the bud if you can.
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Try him on this one, maybe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKaiq1rnSMw
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Archyduchess posted:EDIT: Oh, sorry, your original question was about Mundane Matt. IIRC Mundane Matt was/is a youtube blogger and a prominent early adopter of GameGate stuff. He's a good example of what I was talking about, and that sort of slippery positioning of the goalposts, because as I remember his whole deal was a slimy sort of "well, I'm the voice of reason situated between the radical right and the loony left." Except, well, his "loony left" constituted a series of broad and unfair caricatures of progressive positions, and his "radical right" was basically a cartoon version of the KKK. So in effect, his "rational middle" was in relation to actual discourse, quite far to the right, but by reframing the terms of the debate in tricky and disingenuous ways, he managed to gull a lot of people into thinking he was just talking sense. Yeah, there was nothing especially charismatic or even interesting about Matt, he just got on the train early. What was hilarious was he just got caught out for pulling the stuff they all claim the eponymous left does to them.
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Double post: This is from Vic's law firm. https://twitter.com/BHBHLaw/status/1138464352699396097 Whomp whomp sound effect.
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Also they didn't name any documents that were fake and the people who have been posting documents show that they were recieved from the real email address. It's just a fake thing they pretend is happening to try to avoid being owned. https://twitter.com/Dominique_Skye/status/1138488770481807367?s=20 Piell fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Jun 11, 2019 |
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Ty Beard is not actually Ty Beard?
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Piell posted:Also they didn't name any documents that were fake and the people who have been posting documents show that they were recieved from the real email address. It's just a fake thing they pretend is happening to tey to avoid being owned. It's the legal version of this: 
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Dawgstar posted:Double post: This is from Vic's law firm. Flawless track covering.
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Definitely don't email them lots of Goatses.
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Skwirl posted:This is really just the grift that keeps on giving.
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I'm still trying to work out the economics of a society where everyone belongs to the mob.
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Maxwell Lord posted:I'm still trying to work out the economics of a society where everyone belongs to the mob. It's just like Japan except they eat spaghetti instead of ramen.
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Maxwell Lord posted:I'm still trying to work out the economics of a society where everyone belongs to the mob. I'm actually pretty curious if anyone ever made a -cracy term for a government run by organized crime. You know, like a plutocracy is a government run by the rich. That kind of term
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site posted:kleptocracy I get why it's called that way, but it's strangely disappointing. Still, good to keep in mind.
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There's the related concept of the "Mafia state" which is specifically when the upper echelons of government are cozy with or isometric with organized crime. Kleptocracy is broad and flexible as a term, and can also cover, you know, damning situations emerging out of the conditions of imperialism that don't quite describe the exact same thing-- rentier states, Raubirtschwaft, or British and Belgian plunder paradigms. I think there is a semantic gap to be filled though, bc off the top of my head I can't think of a proper word for the system enacted by 19th century century Sicilian mafia, rackets and political "machines" as they often operated in the 19th/early 20th c. US or Edo-era proto-yazuka tekiya and bakuto bodies, in which, like, nominally criminal or illegal organized bodies would fill in social and infrastructural gaps in areas where official government power was weak or diffuse. In other words, organized crime working almost as a pseudo-"legitimized" ad hoc government where the "real" government fails to fulfill its obligations. If there's a term for that I'd love to hear it, I've been rereading a bunch of Eric Hobsbawm lately and thinking about this.
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