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Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!

Schadenboner posted:

So is Server 19 just not going to get an MCSA for it or what?

You can always take the Server 16 stuff and they usually have an upgrade cert for 2019 so you don't have to start all over again. I don't think you'll be seeing wide use of 2019 in Enterprise for a while.

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AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Ghostnuke posted:

Do you know of any good books for this? The reviews for the ones I'm seeing on Amazon are pretty bad.

I dont, sorry. Been too long :\

fewyn
Apr 6, 2009
So I’ve been working in various IT roles for quite a few years and I’m now looking to step up my game and look into certifications. I’m just unsure what to even get that would be worth my money. I spent 3 to 4 years as a project manager, 3 years as a technical trainer and now 1.5 years in a help desk role. Just very unsure what would be worth my time or money to progress further. Out of the most recent roles I enjoyed was the technical trainer role. Any guidance would be appreciated.

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...
What technical training did you do?

Project management will surely pay more than help desk, so PMP is a good choice if money is a factor (it is).

fewyn
Apr 6, 2009

Bigass Moth posted:

What technical training did you do?

Project management will surely pay more than help desk, so PMP is a good choice if money is a factor (it is).

I did a lot of help desk style training, generated training courses for new hires. Generally taught 5-6 4 week classes a year for new hires, was also sent to the other side of the globe to help setup a sister site with training. I know I've looked into PMP but from everything I read I'd need to be able to prove all the hours I did spending doing project management and I've not actually done that work since 2014 so I'm out of the game and I don't have a lot of records left from that time other than a list of what projects I worked on.

guppy
Sep 21, 2004

sting like a byob
I don't have a PMP but my understanding is you don't actually need to have that many hours of project management under your belt -- just those hours working on projects, which is so vague that basically everything counts. Having a list is probably good enough?

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

fewyn posted:

I did a lot of help desk style training, generated training courses for new hires. Generally taught 5-6 4 week classes a year for new hires, was also sent to the other side of the globe to help setup a sister site with training. I know I've looked into PMP but from everything I read I'd need to be able to prove all the hours I did spending doing project management and I've not actually done that work since 2014 so I'm out of the game and I don't have a lot of records left from that time other than a list of what projects I worked on.

guppy posted:

I don't have a PMP but my understanding is you don't actually need to have that many hours of project management under your belt -- just those hours working on projects, which is so vague that basically everything counts. Having a list is probably good enough?

:airquote: Working on projects :airquote:

:ssh::hf::effort:

fewyn
Apr 6, 2009

Schadenboner posted:

:airquote: Working on projects :airquote:

:ssh::hf::effort:

Really? I was basically a project manager in multiple forms for 5-6 various project launches from 2010 to 2014 (when I was let go). I haven't really done anything in the project management sphere since then because most companies don't seem to want to give me the time of day without certs (which I currently have none of). Any suggestions then on the education credits? I know I have to take that and then pay for the exam. Probably going to be pricey but I have to figure this out, kinda tired of being stuck in this rut of a hell hole.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

guppy posted:

I don't have a PMP but my understanding is you don't actually need to have that many hours of project management under your belt -- just those hours working on projects, which is so vague that basically everything counts. Having a list is probably good enough?

The project log requirement seems exceptionally loose. Just five years of exactly what people said, working on projects. I am going to try for it this year, but from what I've heard, the log bit is just to keep people from jumping on the cert right after they get into working professionally.

I think you can satisfy the education requirement via something like this. One month of it is $67, pretty minimal. https://masterofproject.com/p/pmp-exam-complete-training-35-hours-ultimate-pmp

guppy
Sep 21, 2004

sting like a byob
My big question is whether the class hours for that requirement can expire. Work sent me to a class a couple years ago and I've had other priorities, but I've done everything except the exam, and if I ever have time I'd love to get the paper.

fewyn
Apr 6, 2009

AlternateAccount posted:

The project log requirement seems exceptionally loose. Just five years of exactly what people said, working on projects. I am going to try for it this year, but from what I've heard, the log bit is just to keep people from jumping on the cert right after they get into working professionally.

I think you can satisfy the education requirement via something like this. One month of it is $67, pretty minimal. https://masterofproject.com/p/pmp-exam-complete-training-35-hours-ultimate-pmp

That is pretty awesome actually, everywhere I had looked previously it was classes of about $2,000 or more. Thanks for the link! But besides that are there any other certs that might be worth my time and or money?

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

You'll be sorry you made fun of me when Daddy Donald jails all my posting enemies!
I just got back from doing the CAPM. 150 questions is a lot, but if you know what the inputs and outputs of everything are it's a piece of cake.

Now let's hope it actually helps me land a job, this underemployed poo poo sucks.

The Illusive Man
Mar 27, 2008

~savior of yoomanity~
How useful have you all found ITIL certs, especially for someone not going for management track?

Vegastar
Jan 2, 2005

Tigers will do anything for a tuna sandwich.


Passed the ICND2 and got my CCNA yesterday.

In spite of accidentally skipping the first question thinking it was the tutorial for how to do the sim questions, because I am a nervous idiot when it comes to testing.

Don't recommend doing that.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Space Racist posted:

How useful have you all found ITIL certs, especially for someone not going for management track?

It helps for passing HR barriers requiring certain certs and for entry level jobs to understand how the whole incident -> problem -> known error -> change cycle works. The concepts can be useful if you're still figuring out how to do stuff.

Vegastar posted:

Passed the ICND2 and got my CCNA yesterday.

In spite of accidentally skipping the first question thinking it was the tutorial for how to do the sim questions, because I am a nervous idiot when it comes to testing.

Don't recommend doing that.

Congrats! Going for CCNP next?

Vegastar
Jan 2, 2005

Tigers will do anything for a tuna sandwich.


LochNessMonster posted:

Congrats! Going for CCNP next?

I'm not sure what I'm going to do next just yet. CCNP is certainly on the list, but before anything else I'm going to try to :yotj: my rear end out of helldesk and try to get somebody else to foot the bill for it.

Contingency
Jun 2, 2007

MURDERER
Passed SECFND (first half of CCNA Cyber Ops) today. Exam was very concept heavy, and touched on a handful of things that weren't in the OCG. OCG goes more in depth than the exam, and is sufficient to pass, but I feel mastery of the material is not nearly as rewarded on the exam as being able to regurgitate definitions.

bobmarleysghost
Mar 7, 2006



Question to you guys.

Company provides money for training so I signed up to do a training course for the RHCSA.
The training provider has online live training and an in-class training.

The online one can be scheduled for a couple of weeks from now, and the in-class training is available in September.

I'm not sure if I want to wait 3 months to do the training (and cert after that).

Are online live trainings good?

I haven't taken one of those so I can't compare which would be the better choice.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country
Just registered for the Security+. July 9th.

Anything to it besides Professor Messer and reading the Mike Myers book?

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...

bobmarleysghost posted:

Question to you guys.

Company provides money for training so I signed up to do a training course for the RHCSA.
The training provider has online live training and an in-class training.

The online one can be scheduled for a couple of weeks from now, and the in-class training is available in September.

I'm not sure if I want to wait 3 months to do the training (and cert after that).

Are online live trainings good?

I haven't taken one of those so I can't compare which would be the better choice.

Yes, as long as you can stay focused.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
Has anyone who has take the CISSP exam comment on the accuracy of the Kaplan practice tests?

bobmarleysghost
Mar 7, 2006



Bigass Moth posted:

Yes, as long as you can stay focused.

I think I can. I want to get it out of the way.
I will do this.

UnkleBoB
Jul 24, 2000

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BigDave posted:

Just registered for the Security+. July 9th.

Anything to it besides Professor Messer and reading the Mike Myers book?

This combination was enough for me.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Does anybody have an opinion on the Cisco RSTECH training (https://learningnetworkstore.cisco....tech-1-0-007209)? Not as something for me to do, but as something to buy our support staff and give them a couple of days away from their normal duties to complete. Currently the team know what a network is but there's huge holes in the diagnostic process which I think is rooted in a lack of understanding of how a packet gets from point a to point b, and we're wasting a lot of time when they raise cases to the wrong vendors because of it.

We're not really a Cisco shop but the CLI is hardly unique, and it's more the first bullet point that I think is going to help them anyway. If you were an L1 tech and were offered this course, would you be annoyed that it wasn't a full CCNA, would you want it to be a classroom course instead, interested in hearing what you think.

The Illusive Man
Mar 27, 2008

~savior of yoomanity~

BigDave posted:

Just registered for the Security+. July 9th.

Anything to it besides Professor Messer and reading the Mike Myers book?

I found the 'Security+ Practice Exams' book by Daniel Lachance and Glen Clarke to be very useful (in addition to the two you listed above). The questions are slightly easier than the real thing, but overall very close.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

Space Racist posted:

I found the 'Security+ Practice Exams' book by Daniel Lachance and Glen Clarke to be very useful (in addition to the two you listed above). The questions are slightly easier than the real thing, but overall very close.

I'll have to check that out, thanks.

The Illusive Man
Mar 27, 2008

~savior of yoomanity~
https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/training-events/training-certifications/certifications/associate/ccna.html

Newly revised CCNA track. Goes live Feb 2020. If you (like me) have the CCENT, you have until then to complete the current ICND2 to obtain the CCNA, otherwise you have to take the new exam.

KongMu
May 8, 2005



War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.

Space Racist posted:

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/training-events/training-certifications/certifications/associate/ccna.html

Newly revised CCNA track. Goes live Feb 2020. If you (like me) have the CCENT, you have until then to complete the current ICND2 to obtain the CCNA, otherwise you have to take the new exam.

I was going to start studying for my CCNP but with just 8 months I think i'm going to skip it. Why the hell did they only give 8 months of notice? No one is going to toil away trying to maybe pass 3 tests in 8 months, especially if they have a job and kids.

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...
I am, I would rather bust my rear end to finish my CCNP with the years of study materials and cert guides available than wait a year+ for good training options for the next cash grabs I mean tests.

KongMu
May 8, 2005



War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.

Bigass Moth posted:

I am, I would rather bust my rear end to finish my CCNP with the years of study materials and cert guides available than wait a year+ for good training options for the next cash grabs I mean tests.

I hear that and totally agree that it will be a while for decent study materials, but I have poor work/life balance right now currently in my job and with small children only having 8 months seems just unattainable. It would have been nice for a decent amount of lead time for this change for some of us. I just dont know if i can justify spending the time to end up on feb 23rd with only 2/3 tests passed and no telling what will be on the future exams.

Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

YOUR POSITION IN THE QUEUE IS *pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt*


Cat Army Sworn Enemy

Space Racist posted:

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/training-events/training-certifications/certifications/associate/ccna.html

Newly revised CCNA track. Goes live Feb 2020. If you (like me) have the CCENT, you have until then to complete the current ICND2 to obtain the CCNA, otherwise you have to take the new exam.

I'm bitter as hell at this. It looks like some good changes as a whole, but I just started studying for my CCNP about two weeks ago. When I got my CCNA, an announcement was made that it was being changed in a few months so I was on a time crunch for that one. I was relieved that my only time limit on NP was passing the Switch by the end of August so I could re-certify, and after that I could go at my own pace.

It's hard for me to find the time to study properly because we just had a baby, but I'm confident I can get Switch + Route done by February, which will give credit for the first test of the new NP. Then maybe wait a few months and take a new test, if I can't get TSHOOT done in time.

siggy2021
Mar 8, 2010
I've got the CCNA: Security scheduled for next month, so I'm good on that, but part of my WGU degree plan is the CCDA and I'm not sure if I should shuffle poo poo around in my plan and try to knock it out before February, or wait and see what WGU does.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Oh wow, Cisco really blew up the whole program this time huh? I figured it would be more like the last “update” where they just chopped some dumb ancient poo poo off the exam objectives.

BaseballPCHiker
Jan 16, 2006

Space Racist posted:

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/training-events/training-certifications/certifications/associate/ccna.html

Newly revised CCNA track. Goes live Feb 2020. If you (like me) have the CCENT, you have until then to complete the current ICND2 to obtain the CCNA, otherwise you have to take the new exam.

For those who, like me, were studying for the CCNP they do have a "migration tool" online:
https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/training-events/training-certifications/certifications/professional/ccnp-routing-switching-migration-tool.html

Basically if you've passed ROUTE and SWITCH that equals the new CORE test and you just have to take an elective. If you've passed TSHOOT that replaces an elective.

So I need to hurry up and pass ROUTE...

Renegret
May 26, 2007

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Cat Army Sworn Enemy
I started studying two weeks ago and I still plan to have my entire CCNP long finished by then, as long as real life doesn't get in the way. 8 months is plenty of time to get your rear end into gear and finish up.

Some of those elective tests look interesting, but I think my biggest problem with them is that in a few years, people will figure out which is the easiest one and that's the only one people will ever take. And since it's the most popular one, most of the available resources will be for that specific test, so you'll get double penalized for choosing to take something that interests you. Pure conjecture of course, but the main reason I bailed on the CCNA Security test is because the resources for that test were garbage.

I'd happily skip TSHOOT for the automation exam but I'll be damned if I have to wait for good study materials so I'm going to do my best to finish the entire cert before February.

Contingency
Jun 2, 2007

MURDERER
Welp, associate level really got gutted.

CCNA Wireless? You end up with a CCNA.
CCNA Security? CCNA.
CCDA? CCNA.

For professional, the list of CCNP/CCDP migration tools are linked here: https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/training-events/training-certifications/certifications/professional/ccnp-migration-tools.html

R&S, Wireless, and Design are rolled into Enterprise as electives. Design overlapped with R&S to begin with, so CCDP was practically an elective anyway. Someone that did a 5 wireless exam path (CCNA Wireless + 4 CCNP wireless exams) is likely to have considerably more real-world knowledge and expertise than someone that takes 2 CCNP electives. CCNP Wireless holders got screwed big time.

CCNP Security got considerably better. They cut the ASA specialist cert in 2014, so the next step up from "has seen a screenshot of ASDM" CCNA Security is 4 exams, many of which didn't have official training books. Now products most people will never encounter (ESA, WSA) are no longer gatekeepers, and relegated to electives where they should have been all along. I doubt books will come out for every elective, but at least there's a chance enough will be released to cover the certification. I may actually get CCNP Security this cycle.

Comradephate
Feb 28, 2009

College Slice
I don't really care about certs, but I think gutting associate level is a good idea, because it discourages people from just collecting associate certs that aren't actually meaningfully different. For career advancement the best path is almost certainly to get CCNA and then get a professional level cert, not start getting other associate level certs, so now that is the only option available to you.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
drat, I procrastinated all the way through this exam cycle. :smith:

My only choices are get the CCENT as a token or just go full CCNA from now until February... doesn't look good for me.

Is 8 months enough to go from "I can kind of subnet" to passing CCNA? Seriously, I could never grok subnetting and got stuck on it because I refused to move on in the material until I could.

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...
You have 8 months. It’s totally achievable

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Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

YOUR POSITION IN THE QUEUE IS *pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt*


Cat Army Sworn Enemy
I'd go as far to say that if it takes you 8 months you're doing something wrong.

e: to clarify, my big fear in taking a cert slow is that by the time you reach the end of the book, you now forgot everything from the beginning. At a reasonable pace and going in completely blind, you could be done with a CCNA in under 4 months. Any slower than that and you run the risk of spending too much time having to refresh yourself on the minutiae.

Renegret fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Jun 12, 2019

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