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Takoluka posted:I think you're just really upset and are reading a little too much into my initial poke. I didn't realize I was prodding a hornet's nest, that's all. Incidentally my brother's favorite Pokemon is his min/maxed legendary that he's transferred since Black 2, so it sucks for him.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:03
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is vivillion in the game because i bred a lot of scizors to trade for a complete set
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Jun 12, 2019 00:04
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Nodosaur posted:The models being "future proofed" and the presence of reused animations are only part of things. Incorporating a Pokemon is more than just copying and pasting resources into the SWSH engine, they have to all be individually adjusted and matched to the game's various environments, on a system that outputs images at 1080p and not the potato quality of the 3DS. There's also a bunch of new factors to consider like Dynamax and the introduction of new moves. These may, in the end, recycle animations and just set the model to scale more largely on the battlefield, but even that is an individual adjustment that needs to be taken care of one at a time, for each monster. And as for money, yes, we know TCPi has a whole bunch of it, but that doesn't mean that the whole of those resources have been devoted to the Sword and Shield project, or that the budget is decided upon by Masuda, Ohmori, or anyone else on the SwSh dev team. They are, and all of it adds to how much QA has to be done. But everything in game dev is a lot of work and this is a long-running and profitable series that should have this down to a science by now, so I don't think we're being unreasonable either. The fact that they do seemingly mitigate the lion's share of the work seems significant and worth talking about. But we're all just guessing here, we don't have hard numbers on any of this and can only fruitlessly speculate and hope for the best. Everything in gaming is more complicated than people assume. But when you're making millions or even billions of dollars, its less that it wasn't possible.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:04
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oddium posted:is vivillion in the game because i bred a lot of scizors to trade for a complete set Vivillion isn't, but Vivillon might be.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:07
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hell, for all we know they may just mean a bunch of weird edge-case pokemon won't be added that are just weird and unavailable most of the time anyways or are just super niche cases. i mean, ultimately someone is gonna be disappointed but there's A LOT of just weird cruft and poo poo that's built up over the years.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:09
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Not gonna lie, losing access to Bank Pokemon is going to suck, but I’m not overly upset so far. Has there been any indication on how big the regional dex will be? It seems to have a lot of fan favorites from footage alone.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:10
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less laughter posted:Vivillion isn't, but Vivillon might be. 
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Jun 12, 2019 00:10
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Johnny Joestar posted:hell, for all we know they may just mean a bunch of weird edge-case pokemon won't be added that are just weird and unavailable most of the time anyways or are just super niche cases. i mean, ultimately someone is gonna be disappointed but there's A LOT of just weird cruft and poo poo that's built up over the years. 
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Jun 12, 2019 00:10
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Zaphod42 posted:They are, and all of it adds to how much QA has to be done. But everything in game dev is a lot of work and this is a long-running and profitable series that should have this down to a science by now, so I don't think we're being unreasonable either. Nobody has this "down to a science", not even the most profitable and experienced devs; everyone can run into huge mitigating factors. Look at Super Mario Party; a game that most assume "would be easy to make", but was considered light on content when it came out. Not even Nintendo, who is one of the more efficient and skilled companies, is prone to investing as much money as they earn into their titles, so between that and our not knowing the exact figures, playing armchair dev and economist just seems fruitless to me.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:13
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They could spare us all a lot of angst if they bothered to loving specify if and when we can transfer our old pokemon instead dropping this turd statement like the grenade it is and then leaving it there.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:14
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Flopsy posted:They could spare us all a lot of angst if they bothered to loving specify if and when we can transfer our old pokemon instead dropping this turd statement like the grenade it is and then leaving it there. Sadly Treehouse offers limited time to talk but I absolutely think this should've had its own separate time to properly clarify considering it was followed by "I'll say more on interviews".
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Jun 12, 2019 00:16
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Heres the transcript from the stream From Masuda via translator https://pastebin.com/YqLCvkK9
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Jun 12, 2019 00:17
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Flopsy posted:They could spare us all a lot of angst if they bothered to loving specify if and when we can transfer our old pokemon instead dropping this turd statement like the grenade it is and then leaving it there. The answer is never. If a Pokemon is not in the Galar dex, you will never be able to transfer it from Pokemon Home.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:19
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Johnny Joestar posted:hell, for all we know they may just mean a bunch of weird edge-case pokemon won't be added that are just weird and unavailable most of the time anyways or are just super niche cases. i mean, ultimately someone is gonna be disappointed but there's A LOT of just weird cruft and poo poo that's built up over the years. Oh for gently caress's sake we are not deciphering an ancient message in a dead language here, the director was on stream saying, in a number of sentences, that only pokemon in the Galar pokedex will transfer from Home to SwSh. There is no theorycrafting to do here about "what he really meant".
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Jun 12, 2019 00:19
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Blaze Dragon posted:Sadly Treehouse offers limited time to talk but I absolutely think this should've had its own separate time to properly clarify considering it was followed by "I'll say more on interviews". Absolutely. This isn't the sort of thing you drop at the end of conference and then zip on out without explaining what the gently caress happens to the pokemon you apparently can't transfer in the future. It's bummed me out so much I can barely enjoy the fact we finally got a corgi. 
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Jun 12, 2019 00:19
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This is the damper on Yamper and it loving sucks.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:20
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RatHat posted:The answer is never. If a Pokemon is not in the Galar dex, you will never be able to transfer it from Pokemon Home. Masuda literally prefaced the statement by saying how much he knows people are invested in keeping their collections. The translation is coming across weirdly.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:20
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Flopsy posted:It's bummed me out so much I can barely enjoy the fact we finally got a corgi. I'm enjoying it enough for the both of us
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Jun 12, 2019 00:21
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You know what Nintendo, take back friends in online co-op in Super Mario Maker 2. Just let me transfer all my Pokemons no strings attached.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:22
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I'm honestly just surprised something like this didn't happen sooner. This is a franchise that has nearly 1000 unique characters in it and not many of its counterparts have gone to such lengths to include every single one of them from one title to the next. Hell, Digimon games are lucky if we get 1/4th of the ones that exist in total. But also, acting like a very busy man in what I presume is his 40's should have been more considerate of the impact of his news on one of the busiest days of the year for people like him feels a bit ludicrous. We'll get things clarified at some point. Just be patient.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:22
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Nodosaur posted:I'm honestly just surprised something like this didn't happen sooner. This is a franchise that has nearly 1000 unique characters in it and not many of its counterparts have gone to such lengths to include every single one of them from one title to the next. Hell, Digimon games are lucky if we get 1/4th of the ones that exist in total. how many digimon games get press conferences, dude
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Jun 12, 2019 00:24
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Blaziken386 posted:its almost like the 15 years of continuity have been one of the main selling points or something None of them. But again, all I'm saying is there's a LOT of Pokemon and that's gotta be unprecedentedly demanding.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:25
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Pokemon is literally the biggest franchise on Earth.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:25
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Blaziken386 posted:its almost like the 15 years of continuity have been one of the main selling points or something ^^^^^^^^^^ We're talking the bread and butter of why the series is appealing here.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:25
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Flopsy posted:Masuda literally prefaced the statement by saying how much he knows people are invested in keeping their collections. The translation is coming across weirdly. This is not a single statement. He was talking about this for like a minute. There's no misunderstanding here. Especially since, if there was, they'd be quick to clarify it on Twitter.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:27
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Nodosaur posted:I'm honestly just surprised something like this didn't happen sooner. This is a franchise that has nearly 1000 unique characters in it and not many of its counterparts have gone to such lengths to include every single one of them from one title to the next. Hell, Digimon games are lucky if we get 1/4th of the ones that exist in total. I will get super mad in the mean time so if they even thought about parting me from Ribombee they have to backpedal so hard their bikes go on water without rotom smartphone enhancements.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:27
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Flopsy posted:Masuda literally prefaced the statement by saying how much he knows people are invested in keeping their collections. The translation is coming across weirdly. That's one of the reasons it's so bizarre. The reveal on Pokemon Home explicitly showed one-way transfers from Bank (and LGPE and Go), effectively replacing it.  You'll even be able to trade pokemon sitting in Home with a mobile app. It's just so baffling that this implies that you're supposed to transfer your collection from Bank to Home, and then an unknown number of them are just stuck there unable to go into an actual game.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:28
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Ometeotl posted:Oh for gently caress's sake we are not deciphering an ancient message in a dead language here, the director was on stream saying, in a number of sentences, that only pokemon in the Galar pokedex will transfer from Home to SwSh. There is no theorycrafting to do here about "what he really meant". if you'd read the post i wasn't trying to say 'what he really meant', i was saying that they might just trim a bunch of niche pokemon that a lot of people don't care about and keep the decent bulk of each gen around. this also includes a bunch of mostly gen-specific poo poo that has built up over the years.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:33
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Look, you can all be dissatisfied with this news; I'm not saying you shouldn't. Saying "I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner" is based on looking at trends in similar franchises. What Pokemon has been doing so long is unprecedented, and appreciating the realities of this kind of thing is still more useful than going "Pokemon is the biggest brand in the world" like that's a magic lamp that can grant any wishes the devs have. You can be dissatisfied with this news, feel like it's still something they should have done because it's a big part of what people love about this franchise, and still keep things like that in mind. It may not make the situation better, but it can help one personally come to terms with it. At least that's been my experience. Ziddar posted:That's one of the reasons it's so bizarre. The reveal on Pokemon Home explicitly showed one-way transfers from Bank (and LGPE and Go), effectively replacing it. How they've talked about Home has given the impression it's more than just a storage space. What form it'll ultimately take is still uncertain, though.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:35
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The more I think about it the more obvious it seems they plan to fix this. People fretting about their pokemon being locked in Home, but it seems insane that they'd even let you transfer a pokemon they were essentially retiring forever. I know, Gamefreak, but it is too hard to believe that they wouldn't at least make all those pokemon unavailable to move from Bank if they really had no plan. I hope they make this more clear sooner rather than later so I can go back to fawning over the new pokemon.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:35
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I am down about Pokexit but I'm pretty sure I'll survive with my sheep and corgi.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:36
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RatHat posted:This is not a single statement. He was talking about this for like a minute. There's no misunderstanding here. Especially since, if there was, they'd be quick to clarify it on Twitter. This is actually a good point, but it only makes this whole thing even weirder. Every time a new thing was announced for SwSh, it was posted on all of Pokemon's social media. This wasn't, almost as if it wasn't meant to be said in the first place and Masuda messed up.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:36
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Blaze Dragon posted:This wasn't, almost as if it wasn't meant to be said in the first place and Masuda messed up. There might be a method to his madness
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Jun 12, 2019 00:39
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:It's possible that, in tyool 2019, companies are making bad decisions for short-sighted unclear reasons, and trying to bullshit us, the consumer. .....no!!! Flopsy posted:They could spare us all a lot of angst if they bothered to loving specify if and when we can transfer our old pokemon instead dropping this turd statement like the grenade it is and then leaving it there. cosign. just say it won't happen til 2021 or the 3rd edition, I'm fine with that. even if they explicitly said "our plan is to never allow you to transfer mons from gen 3-7 forward unless they're already in the newest gen's dex; there's no more national dex and each region forevermore will be capped to what's in on release." I'd prefer it to this nonsense
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Jun 12, 2019 00:40
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This is disappointing, but it's making me wonder: are there any other game series in which people expect as much persistence between titles as we do with Pokemon? For that matter, how did people react when it turned out you wouldn't be able transfer your Gen 2 Pokemon to Sapphire or Ruby?
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Jun 12, 2019 00:56
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No one really complained about R/S/E (outside of the internet) because by that time the bulk of us Gen 1 / 2 'rs moved on to real life. Not being disparaging, just pointing out that a lot of Gen 3 people were like....new players. Couldn't this just be without animations on? MoaM fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Jun 12, 2019 |
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Jun 12, 2019 01:02
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Nodosaur posted:Nobody has this "down to a science", not even the most profitable and experienced devs; everyone can run into huge mitigating factors. Look at Super Mario Party; a game that most assume "would be easy to make", but was considered light on content when it came out. Not even Nintendo, who is one of the more efficient and skilled companies, is prone to investing as much money as they earn into their titles, so between that and our not knowing the exact figures, playing armchair dev and economist just seems fruitless to me. like for example, everything related to Nintendo's online infrastructure
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Jun 12, 2019 01:10
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moving on to real life at the elder age of 12
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oddium posted:moving on to real life at the elder age of 12 Your math is off my maaan. R/S/E came out in 2003, for context.
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