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Jenny Agutter posted:He's posted about being a member of the champion vr league team which means Oculus has indirectly paid him prize money How many points on the "allowed to have an opinion" spectrum does this lose me? Can I buy four Indexes to make up for it, or will I need to smash my Quest as well?
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Hadlock posted:That's super annoying. The people working in Product for the quest don't know their heads from their assholes. I know I keep saying this but there already is a Chinese Quest clone and it even came out 6 months before the Quest the Focus Plus. 6Dof HMD, 6Dof controllers, less content worse software and $799 instead of $399. I doubt they will lock down developer mode.
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Lemming posted:How many points on the "allowed to have an opinion" spectrum does this lose me? Can I buy four Indexes to make up for it, or will I need to smash my Quest as well? Just shout “fucc the zucc” a couple of times loudly in VRChat.
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EbolaIvory posted:I’m htc sponsored, work the oculus people, dislike social media in general and think lemmings right mostly. From having spent time with Oculus people at OC5, the main thing I think people over estimate is the amount of people working on Oculus software/experiences/storefront. None of them are cackling trying to corner VR, they are just trying their best to make a good VR ecosystem. Most of the teams handling things like store selections/engineering support are tiny, like 3 people or less tiny. Oculus is getting as much done as they can with a very small organization. It's also perfectly ok that they have different goals than we want them to have. It's pretty obvious their short term goal is showing with the Quest that there are very good experiences. It appears they want to make it through at least this Christmas launch with few but high quality titles. Hopefully sometime early next year they start letting in more content. But a big part of the problem is discovery, it's hard to have a search in VR so they are willing to lose niche titles to make it easier to find main stream content.
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Stick100 posted:From having spent time with Oculus people at OC5, the main thing I think people over estimate is the amount of people working on Oculus software/experiences/storefront. None of them are cackling trying to corner VR, they are just trying their best to make a good VR ecosystem. Most of the teams handling things like store selections/engineering support are tiny, like 3 people or less tiny. Oculus is getting as much done as they can with a very small organization. It's also perfectly ok that they have different goals than we want them to have. The thing that's confusing about all this is that there isn't any mainstream content. Their big marquee titles are Beat Saber and SUPERHOT VR, which, yeah, people like those but they ain't exactly Red Dead Redemption 2. Those games are all Big For Indie, which is fine since that's where my gaming interest tends to lie in the first place, but it's hard to take claims of wanting the Quest store to have high quality mainstream appeal at a glance when VR Karts, Guided Tai-Chi and Richie's Plank Experience are up there. This is all niche as poo poo and VR's biggest hits have mostly come out of nowhere, why fight that? Keep the obvious low-grade garbage out, but rejecting stuff like To The Top makes no sense to me.
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Jun 12, 2019 20:43
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Lemming posted:How many points on the "allowed to have an opinion" spectrum does this lose me? Can I buy four Indexes to make up for it, or will I need to smash my Quest as well? No need to get defensive friend, I'm just getting someone who hasn't read the entire thread up to speed. No judgement intended
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sethsez posted:Keep the obvious low-grade garbage out, but rejecting stuff like To The Top makes no sense to me. I knew everyone would lose their minds over vr desktop, but I think this is the more concerning thing. A fair number of the devs who've posted about their games being rejected seem to have pretty decent looking games. Since Oculus is not providing reasons why they are rejecting it seems entirely arbitrary. Considering vr devs already have an extremely low chance of making much money I'd think this would scare off a lot of devs. At the very least Oculus should go the old psn/xbox route of having a 'crazy indies' section that doesn't show up when normally browsing/searching, but allows some chance for those games to make enough direct sales to get onto the main store.
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Jenny Agutter posted:No need to get defensive friend, I'm just getting someone who hasn't read the entire thread up to speed. No judgement intended Two people directly or indirectly called me a shill to my face, why shouldn't I respond to these implications that my opinion isn't worth listening to? Like the only reason he'd make that comment is to insinuate I'm paid off and my thoughts should be rejected out of hand. That's really frustrating.
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FuzzySlippers posted:I knew everyone would lose their minds over vr desktop, but I think this is the more concerning thing. A fair number of the devs who've posted about their games being rejected seem to have pretty decent looking games. Since Oculus is not providing reasons why they are rejecting it seems entirely arbitrary. Considering vr devs already have an extremely low chance of making much money I'd think this would scare off a lot of devs. At the very least Oculus should go the old psn/xbox route of having a 'crazy indies' section that doesn't show up when normally browsing/searching, but allows some chance for those games to make enough direct sales to get onto the main store. Yeah. I finally played To The Top recently and found it pretty disappointing, but it's a completely serviceable game; it wouldn't have felt out of place on the storefront parts of the PS3 or XB360 stores, let alone the indie ghettos. The idea of running a store pickier than those seems misguided at best, even if they were applying those standards consistently.
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Jun 12, 2019 21:08
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FuzzySlippers posted:Considering vr devs already have an extremely low chance of making much money I'd think this would scare off a lot of devs. It's already scared off the dev of Jet Island, who said he has it working fairly well on the Quest already and would have it running perfectly with more optimizations, but has decided to not pursue a Quest port because he doesn't want to put in the time and money while Oculus is playing games like this.
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sethsez posted:It's already scared off the dev of Jet Island, who said he has it working fairly well on the Quest already and would have it running perfectly with more optimizations, but has decided to not pursue a Quest port because he doesn't want to put in the time and money while Oculus is playing games like this. Then theres other devs (Synth Riders for example), who are taking the time because getting the app into a market space that actually has customers is important for them to survive. It ain't perfect. But I just don't see how people don't understand.
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Jun 12, 2019 21:16
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EbolaIvory posted:Then theres other devs (Synth Riders for example), who are taking the time because getting the app into a market space that actually has customers is important for them to survive. The point is precisely that it's not "you put in the time, you get access to the market". Devs are putting in the time and getting an unexplained "no" at the end of it on games that any other platform would be happy to have; that's not just a bummer, it's potentially fatal for an indie dev. They shouldn't have to be taking that kind of risk blindly, and its completely understandable that many aren't willing to.
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Jun 12, 2019 21:24
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rage-saq posted:There is no way to get a hardware decoder attached to the Quest, which is where most of the latency exists right now. I’m not sure how TPcast is doing it with the air but their demo video showed no dongle. My ASUS AC5300 has worked very well for me streaming to the Quest at 60Mbps with very low latency and packet loss but it's one of the more expensive consumer level routers.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Is Richies Plank Experience just a good demo for people? I feel like it has one gimmick and thats it. The one time I played RPE, I stepped off the plank once, went back up the elevator, then just flew around on the jetpack for like twenty minutes. It was fun.
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EbolaIvory posted:Then theres other devs (Synth Riders for example), who are taking the time because getting the app into a market space that actually has customers is important for them to survive. The reason the Jet Island dev abandoned the port is because other devs with polished games have been denied recently. To The Top is finished. It's ready to go. It's popular on PC, and it's also popular on the PS4 which is an actual console, like Oculus wants the Quest to be. And yet despite it being a solid port (we have 20 minutes of gameplay footage) of a good game with a proven fanbase and positive reviews, it still got denied with no explanation. You say they need to get the app into a market space that actually has customers, but the reality is that right now the Quest has a way smaller userbase than either PCVR or PSVR. It certainly has the potential to grow and become popular, possibly the biggest VR headset on the market, but that's going to depend on software support, and right now Oculus is making that look like a pretty tenuous bet. And for devs who managed to get onto Sony's platform, right next to Astrobot and Gran Turismo Sport, that's got to be particularly galling.
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EbolaIvory posted:I’m htc sponsored, work the oculus people, dislike social media in general and think lemmings right mostly. The general concern is it doesn't really matter what Oculus' staff want or their internal plans. If Facebook sends down word to do something, it will start and end at "yes sir" for them.
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https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/vader-immortal-hits-oculus-rift-june-2019-1203241099/ Vader Immortal releases on rift June 20 with crossbuy if you bought it on the Quest.* Yay.** *Disclaimer I work for a related company and I'm not being a shill mentioning it please don't be mad at me vr goons  **Obviously something a shill would say
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mashed_penguin posted:https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/vader-immortal-hits-oculus-rift-june-2019-1203241099/ The worst shill: one that doesn’t realize he’s a shill
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NRVNQSR posted:The point is precisely that it's not "you put in the time, you get access to the market". Devs are putting in the time and getting an unexplained "no" at the end of it on games that any other platform would be happy to have; that's not just a bummer, it's potentially fatal for an indie dev. They shouldn't have to be taking that kind of risk blindly, and its completely understandable that many aren't willing to. This is also not new for Oculus. They have been rejecting app/games with no explanation since they opened the Gear/Go/Rift stores. They said that curation for Quest would be much tighter. Right now if Oculus isn't paying you or previously publicly committed that your title will get in the store it's probably a good chance you won't get in the store. I fully expect either Onward or Pavlov will get rejected from getting into the Quest store and that will start a poo poo storm.
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rage-saq posted:The worst shill: one that doesn’t realize he’s a shill  
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sethsez posted:The reason the Jet Island dev abandoned the port is because other devs with polished games have been denied recently. To The Top is finished. It's ready to go. It's popular on PC, and it's also popular on the PS4 which is an actual console, like Oculus wants the Quest to be. And yet despite it being a solid port (we have 20 minutes of gameplay footage) of a good game with a proven fanbase and positive reviews, it still got denied with no explanation. NRVNQSR posted:The point is precisely that it's not "you put in the time, you get access to the market". Devs are putting in the time and getting an unexplained "no" at the end of it on games that any other platform would be happy to have; that's not just a bummer, it's potentially fatal for an indie dev. They shouldn't have to be taking that kind of risk blindly, and its completely understandable that many aren't willing to. Like I said, its not perfect. And theres not a huge rear end team doing things. I think split here has a game thats been denied on "all" oculus stores if i remember right. He also didn't get really any feedback. I've never said its not crappy but I kinda 'Get it' in most cases. To the Top I don't quite understand. I really don't understand that one. Unless all we saw is the polished bits and not the stuff that may still be an issue? Stick100 posted:This is also not new for Oculus. They have been rejecting app/games with no explanation since they opened the Gear/Go/Rift stores. They said that curation for Quest would be much tighter. Right now if Oculus isn't paying you or previously publicly committed that your title will get in the store it's probably a good chance you won't get in the store. I fully expect either Onward or Pavlov will get rejected from getting into the Quest store and that will start a poo poo storm. Kind of this. Or if you can get directly in touch with some people on the team to get dev kit access and all that poo poo. If you're at least in the loop with them it can help get more info as to why things are getting denied. EbolaIvory fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Jun 12, 2019 |
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The general concern is it doesn't really matter what Oculus' staff want or their internal plans. If Facebook sends down word to do something, it will start and end at "yes sir" for them. I mean, I love my Quest, but I still block Facebook.com/Oculus.com on my home router by default just in case they try to push a wifi update one day that really fucks my ALVR/sideloading or disabling Guardian or something. Carmack tweets are a beacon of hope for the PC streaming potential. But even though he's one of the greatest programmers to walk the earth, he's also Facebook's bitch; if some suit tells him to deep-six his PC streaming work for whatever reason, that'll be that.
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EbolaIvory posted:I’m htc sponsored, work the oculus people, dislike social media in general and think lemmings right mostly. I have relationships with several current and former employees of Oculus. Facebook has more control and influence than was originally anticipated. I cannot speak to the exact level but I do know a handful of former employees who left as a direct result of the change of ownership and how it affected the direction and strategy of the company. Whether that is good or bad is entirely subjective. Though it is easy to understand why with Facebook's history this can be seen as concerning to some.
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Taintrunner posted:I heard this game was kinda boring/simple People seem to largely like it 
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Lemming posted:Two people directly or indirectly called me a shill to my face, why shouldn't I respond to these implications that my opinion isn't worth listening to? Like the only reason he'd make that comment is to insinuate I'm paid off and my thoughts should be rejected out of hand. That's really frustrating. To clarify I was not accusing you of anything. I was curious though because the way you speak is how a lot of people speak about a product or company they are vested in. I have never really seen you post anything critical of Oculus while being critical of other companies/hardwares. Your reasoning is confusing to me as well often, and sometimes it can feel like you are really reaching in your justifications to questionable decisions made by the company. Shill is likely not the best term, if indeed you have no affiliation past some prize money, just seems you're a fanboy which is fine. We all have our preferred consoles right?
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mashed_penguin posted:This thread has its fanboys on all the sides of this extra nerdy continuation of the forever console war. I agree with this. Even having used an index headset I am by far most excited for knuckles. Not just because I think they are an amazing controller but because I can finally use something that isn't a vive wand. Whoever designed the grip buttons on the vive wand should probably be locked up.
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Skyarb posted:I agree with this. Even having used an index headset I am by far most excited for knuckles. Not just because I think they are an amazing controller but because I can finally use something that isn't a vive wand. Watching me play shooters with those grips after being a rift boi for so long. Hahaha. Holy poo poo. Beat Saber, Synth Riders, and like Five Nights At Freddies is basically all I play on my vive because the wands are just so trash.
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Skyarb posted:To clarify I was not accusing you of anything. I was curious though because the way you speak is how a lot of people speak about a product or company they are vested in. I have never really seen you post anything critical of Oculus while being critical of other companies/hardwares. Your reasoning is confusing to me as well often, and sometimes it can feel like you are really reaching in your justifications to questionable decisions made by the company. Alternatively you could address the actual points I'm making, which I make an effort to back up, which includes giving opposing views a fair shake. Of course, it's much easier to just accuse people of being shills/fanboys so ultimately it's your life
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EbolaIvory posted:Watching me play shooters with those grips after being a rift boi for so long. Hahaha. Holy poo poo. Yeah beatsaber is the only game I play when I am not doing review work, and that is passable on vive wands because you don't have to use it other than the trigger. After using touch controls for a long while I truly despised the wands. Even just holding them in your hands is so much less comfortable than touch. Although I am a bit surprised by the new touch controllers, I much prefer original rift touch to these new ones for the quest and rift s.
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Taintrunner posted:I heard this game was kinda boring/simple The training mode is the lightsaber training disco balls from A New Hope. I used that to demo to some coworkers and they basically orgasmed in unbridled childlike glee, shouting like they completely forgot they were still in an office with their peers. A few ran out and got their own after that. "Fun to swing lightsaber" is burned into guy's brains since childhood. Anyway, it is simple but quite polished. mashed_penguin posted:Obviously anyone that defends a vive wand is either a valve/vive fanboy or certifiably insane. I can ignore the Vive Wands but I will not abide statements that the WMR controllers are "not that bad". Spreading misinformation like that is just a cruel thing to do to your fellow man.
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Skyarb posted:Yeah beatsaber is the only game I play when I am not doing review work, and that is passable on vive wands because you don't have to use it other than the trigger. After using touch controls for a long while I truly despised the wands. Even just holding them in your hands is so much less comfortable than touch. 100% I score better on them, and its the only reason I use em (well that and vive pro wireless, so like, unless i setup rift poo poo and do the voodoo saqs doing im stuck). Knuckles need to be in my hands. Right meow. EbolaIvory fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Jun 12, 2019 |
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EbolaIvory posted:100% I score better on them, and its the only reason I use em (well that and vive pro wireless, so like, unless i setup rift poo poo and do the voodoo saqs doing im stuck). Oddly enough I also score better with wands, I am not sure if that is some odd placebo or if it is because of the slightly more accurate tracking.
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The mod scene for Blade & Sorcery has taken off, adding new weapons from Nier:A, World of Warcraft, The Witcher 3, and uh, of course, the Gunblade from FF8: https://www.nexusmods.com/bladeandsorcery/mods/?BH=0 Also multiple pistols. Which are fun for John Wick practice.
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