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Suspect Bucket posted:To be perfectly honest, a lot of fishing is bullshit loving this. Like, you can talk about santee rigs and fresh or frozen shad vs prepared baits before checking your solunar table and still wind up outfished by some yokel with a hook, kite string, and a blob of nearly-solid engine oil some days.
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relevant x-post from the comic strip thread: a 100 year old comic which depicts me getting fishing advice from my father-in-law after I threw him in the golden shiners all stood up and clapped and my name was Bill Dance, thank you
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I arrived into the other tackle shop in my town just after nine on this Monday morning. It was like night and day from what I experienced in the first shop I went to a few months back. One of the first things he said when I told him I was a beginner was it was the perfect time to come to him, because first thing on a Monday he could spend all the time he needed getting me up to speed. Then the guy talked my ear off, went into as much detail as he could about where I planned to go fishing, explained that I could fall down a money pit if I get into this big time, and to come back to him if I need any help or anything else (which he explained I will, because I'll be losing lures if I'm doing this properly.) He started off asking what kind of fishing I wanted to do. He said I could go bottom fishing, which would involve bait but would be more expensive, or as I asked for and he agreed with (good salesmanship) lure fishing. He said where I plan to go I can get mackerel (not to be sniffed at, sez he,) pollack or the one everyone aims for, bass. I told him my budget and he told me not to spend that much. That I could get gear now and realise it's not what I want once I have some time under my belt. Instead he sorted me out for just over half of what I initially was going to spend. It's the cheapest rod and reel combo, but until I'm more aware it'll do me fine, and even longer than that if I want. Then he sorted me out with lures, all the while showing me how to tie the knot I'd need, what time to fish according to the tides, what lures to use at what times, how to move along the shore, and his own little bits of wisdom. It was mostly stuff I'd picked up from videos and even mentioned here in the past twelve hours, but hearing it in person gives me a bit more confidence.  I told him my main aim was to get out of going to the pub all the time, which he sympathised with, basically say if I get bitten by this I'll end up on the shore during the middle of winter with a couple of hundred quids worth of gear freezing my soaking arse off and loving it. He also runs a trip on a charter boat and was saying if I came along to that I'd get up to speed very quickly, with people taking the time with beginners, and I'd definitely be catching fish. The last thing he sold me was a single lead, so I can go out to the field behind my house and start practicing my casting for a bit. So thanks, Catch-All Fishing Thread 2014 for giving me the push to get myself sorted. I'll be getting on my way soon.
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Jun 10, 2019 12:15
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Jun 10, 2019 12:31
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Mrenda posted:I arrived into the other tackle shop in my town just after nine on this Monday morning.. You've done this properly imo. You'll pay more for the same stuff at the bait shop vs. Walmart or Dunham's or whatever but you're really paying for fish wisdom, not just the gear. Also agree that it is not a successful day of fishing if you do not lose $8 worth of tackle.
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Jun 10, 2019 13:14
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Outside of chewed up plastics, I think I've lost maybe $20 in tackle all year... Horray for fishing with braided line and never having wood to fish I guess.  Also, those 2 paddle tails look pretty nice. That big tail swinging back and forth making a big thump thump underwater should get some attention.
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Jun 10, 2019 13:23
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titties posted:You've done this properly imo. You'll pay more for the same stuff at the bait shop vs. Walmart or Dunham's or whatever but you're really paying for fish wisdom, not just the gear. Oh yeah, I 100% agree with that. The high street's massive advantage over online retailers (even though most specialist high street shops have an online presence now) and the big stores that get in the odd special is the knowledge and service they can provide. The 45 minutes of chat I got from the owner is worth whatever percentage I paid over ordering it online. The ability to rock up to a shop and get insider information like that is what keeps smaller hobbies going. And now I know whatever route I take there'll be someone I can fall back on to point me in the right direction. This morning's chat put me more at ease than any amount of solo-watching videos or reading websites could ever do. And even knowing he organises a charter made up of individuals from the shop rather than having to form my own group sorts out a big problem I was worrying about. Also, there's him telling me to get a lead weight and put it on the swivel. That meant I could go out into the field behind me and spend twenty minutes practicing casting (and I'll head out there another few times again.) I'm not getting much distance on it so far, but because of him telling me to do that it means I'm not figuring it out while I'm standing next to the harbour.
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Jun 10, 2019 13:47
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Mrenda posted:That meant I could go out into the field behind me and spend twenty minutes practicing casting (and I'll head out there another few times again.) I'm not getting much distance on it so far, but because of him telling me to do that it means I'm not figuring it out while I'm standing next to the harbour. Did they spool the reel for you or did you do it yourself? Most of the time when i see people struggling with casting distance it's because they didn't have enough line on the spool. Speaking of casting distance, i could use some advice. I have several small ultralight topwater baits that i can't cast further than like 10 feet. I thought that maybe because my ultralight rod was so soft and whippy i should switch from braid to mono, but it hasn't helped. Adding enough weight to cast them send to sink them or keep them from swimming properly.
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Jun 10, 2019 14:50
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titties posted:Did they spool the reel for you or did you do it yourself? Most of the time when i see people struggling with casting distance it's because they didn't have enough line on the spool. There was already line on the reel. It was a €50 rod and reel combo that came with line on it. A quick google says it can go for about 20% cheaper, so it's really a beginners thing, but as was said I don't mind the extra cost for nearly an hours worth of advice. I've been trying casting to the side and overhead. Overhead seems to be better for me and I can get between 25m and 35m. 30m regularly and I've managed just short of 40m the odd time. The rod is 10ft and I'm practicing with a 2oz lead. The guy in the shop was saying what I'm fishing for won't be too far off the rocks/mud, so I'll just keep going with it.
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Jun 10, 2019 14:55
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Okay, that makes sense. Line that's prespooled is low quality and probably has developed a ton of memory from having been wound on for years. Pull all that poo poo off and get some good mono or superlineb braid like power pro or spiderwire and learn yourself how to spool your reel imo
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titties posted:Speaking of casting distance, i could use some advice. I have several small ultralight topwater baits that i can't cast further than like 10 feet. I thought that maybe because my ultralight rod was so soft and whippy i should switch from braid to mono, but it hasn't helped. Adding enough weight to cast them send to sink them or keep them from swimming properly. How about a sliding water bobber? https://www.theindependent.com/sports/outdoors/spilger-the-great-water-bobber-experiment/article_129e7f62-2e0d-5bf3-bc28-6c79c11cd76c.html Rev. Bleech_ posted:relevant x-post from the comic strip thread: a 100 year old comic which depicts me getting fishing advice from my father-in-law This comic is a treasure trove of the average white man's sentiments. One comic has him decking a black guy for just standing there. Suspect Bucket fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Jun 10, 2019 |
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Jun 10, 2019 16:05
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Mrenda posted:My parents bought a holiday home down the coast last summer, which got me thinking about fishing. I asked the locals and it turns out it's either charter boats or the rocks that people have recently died on/been washed off. I put it on the back burner, but this summer I've been slowly realising I desperately need an outlet that isn't drinking all night long in the pub. If you have a bicycle or something like that transport may be easier. It will also help if you catch anything. Storing the rods may be a problem though  Also think about learning to drive a car - it's a useful skill anyway. It also gives an excuse not to drink at the pub.
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Jun 10, 2019 18:58
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Mano posted:If you have a bicycle or something like that transport may be easier. It will also help if you catch anything. Storing the rods may be a problem though Driving is out. It's just not affordable for me (as I have a few extra considerations on top of regular expenses.) I do have a bicycle. It'd be faster to a few areas, but walking is safer along those roads. I guess I could rig up a way of strapping the rod to the frame, then carry the reel, lures and everything else in a backpack/messenger bag. I said it before about not wanting to use live bait/frozen bait. Part of this is I have nowhere to store it. I suspected I couldn't put it in the general kitchen freezer and this was confirmed by the guy in the shop burning incense saying the multiple bait freezers had stunk up his shop. Long term I'd need my own miniature freezer. If I catch mackerel that'd go some way towards winter bait (presuming I stick with this.) But that just raises the concern of how you store caught fish when you're on the shore. Do people put them in a coolbox/bag with the plastic ice-blocks? That's then another thing to carry. I was planning on catch and release with the only thing I've been told I could catch that I could eat (outside of fresh mackerel) is pollock and the slight possibility of sea bass. I guess I'll have to figure out not only how to store it on the shore, but then how to fillet it for freezing. (And this is all out-there talk. There's a one fish limit on sea bass here with a 42cm minimum size and people are having difficulty catching them, or just not sharing their successes.) And apologies for all the questions. I know I'm making GBS threads up the thread thinking about all these possibilities. I'm sure I'll stop the first time I get out there.
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Jun 10, 2019 19:45
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Crabs crabs crabs! Tell me if you can catch some crabs.
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Suspect Bucket posted:This comic is a treasure trove of the average white man's sentiments. so is my father in law, oddly enough Mrenda posted:I said it before about not wanting to use live bait/frozen bait. Part of this is I have nowhere to store it. I suspected I couldn't put it in the general kitchen freezer and this was confirmed by the guy in the shop burning incense saying the multiple bait freezers had stunk up his shop. are Fishbites available over there? At least in my southeastern chunk of the US Fishbites bloodworm and shrimp are usually superior to the real thing in that they are clean, easy to store, and will keep for-loving-ever in a tacklebox (and cost about half as much as real bloodworms to boot)
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Jun 11, 2019 01:48
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Mrenda posted:I said it before about not wanting to use live bait/frozen bait. Part of this is I have nowhere to store it. I suspected I couldn't put it in the general kitchen freezer and this was confirmed by the guy in the shop burning incense saying the multiple bait freezers had stunk up his shop. :Slams freezer full of chicken backs, salted squid, cured chicken livers, and mehaden closed: K Look in my defense it was on sale
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Jun 11, 2019 03:53
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Man I just keep coming back to the thought of putting a live frog on a hook
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Unperson_47 posted:Man I just keep coming back to the thought of putting a live frog on a hook I’m not fond of using mammals and amphibians as bait. I tried a small peeper frog once but its not cool.
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Jun 11, 2019 04:24
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I lost the last of my favorite panfish lures to the marsh and now I can't find what its name was to buy replacements  It was a small white jig with like, small strands of rigid plastic white hair on the back with some silvery paper mixed in
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Jun 11, 2019 21:47
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Made the catfish curry, was absolutely delicious. http://imgur.com/a/eGEMfN6 Bullfrog posted:I lost the last of my favorite panfish lures to the marsh and now I can't find what its name was to buy replacements Hair jig? Finesse Jig? Suspect Bucket fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Jun 12, 2019 |
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Jun 12, 2019 02:47
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I went and did that fishing thing. I spent about three hours out in a strongish breeze but was spared most of the rain despite seeing it drive a little way across the harbour for me. The juicy details are I caught nothing, not even a hint of a fish as it seemed most of the things that wobbled my rod was me hooking seaweed. I was very effective at catching seaweed. I also seem to be talented at losing lures due to my anti-talent in tying proper knots. It looked easy in the shop, it seemed easy when I was throwing a lead around a field, when I was firing lures into the ocean twice they pinged off the knot. I wanted to be annoyed at the line breaking, but looking at what was left of it it was pretty obvious from the twists it came off as I was loading up the cast. I lost this lad you see below, and one of my fancy jelly flappy yokies.  I also managed to fire the lure about 20 metres directly into the water ahead of me a couple of times, I even skipped it along the water once. Another cock up was that I somehow managed to get my hand in the way of the unspooling cast line and ending up with an almighty tangle I had to cut loose. Some things I need to work on include consistency in my cast, although I seem to be getting it further than I did in the field behind me with the 2oz lead. Part of that will also be less casting it into a really high arc so the line blows miles off the line I've casted on in the wind. I also need to figure out what exactly I'll do if I catch a fish. Having hooked nothing I don't know what it feels like, even though a few times I felt a tug on the line and when I reeled it in there was neither weed nor a fishy on it.  I did have a couple of walkers come past me, with a young guy asking me how it was going. I said I caught nothing and it was my first time fishing and he wished me luck, and when he asked me what I was fishing with saw my lure and said, "Hmmm, spinning." So that he didn't laugh at me for being entirely clueless is a big plus in my day. All in all, I wouldn't say the experience was fun, exactly, rather relaxing and a pleasant way to spend a couple of hours. So thank you, thread, for helping clue me into the fine time that is few hours by sea being entirely unsuccessful at your endeavours.
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Lots of seaweed huh. Check the local tides and try again at the highest point. You may be able to avoid some seaweed plus fish typically feed when the water is moving. Did you put a swivel on your line? If your feel nervous about your knot you could have a more experienced person tie one on for the moment. Love reading your posts in a ridiculous Hollywood Irish accent.
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I was there from about two hours before high tide until an hour after. I could see where the water was darker, coming from beneath, and that pretty much mapped to where I'd end up with weed on the lure. There's a strong enough tide where I was, but it's further out into the channel between where I was and the island. After the tide turned the seaweed seemed to be worse (as I walked back along the way I'd come.) I was told two hours before to two hours after high tide was the best for fishing. You seem to be saying the opposite of that if the tide moving is when fish feed, which would be three hours before/after the tide has turned. I did have a swivel on the line. That came off along with the lure. And if I leave the swivel on I can't take the rod apart or the reel off for transport, so I'll just have to get better at tying knots. One thing that did worry my is how much the lure drops as I'm taking up the belly in the line. The wind was blowing the lure in the air and the line quite a bit, enough that the smaller lures were more difficult to track. It seemed like there was a lot of extra line being spooled out before the line went kind of straight. Another aspect of that is my release seems to give the lure a high-ish arc through the air, which'll also make for more line. With that in mind the lure might have dropped all the way to the seabed and would naturally be picking up seaweed.
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Jun 12, 2019 18:35
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Try a floating surface lure that only dives on the retrieve? I’ve seen them used for mackeral and I use rappalla semi sinking lures for trout to stay above the weeds.
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Jun 12, 2019 18:46
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If you had fun despite chucking lures away and catching seaweed, this is the sport for you. Practice your knot tying at home, it's a nice way to fiddle while you watch TV or something. What knots are you using? https://www.animatedknots.com is a great resource
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Jun 12, 2019 18:48
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The knot where you pull it back, twist it around, then thread it back through and pull. It was the knot the guy in the shop told me to use as it's simple to manage outside in the wind. I think I wasn't doing enough twists and not tightening it close enough to the swivel. And not so much fun, but something that kept me occupied and cleared my head. I'm also fairly tired now, although I've had early mornings the past few days. I can imagine what fun I did have dropping off as I continue to be unsuccessful though, so we'll see how I stick through it. Edit: I looked at the knot site. I think I was using an alternate-clinch-knot-for-simpletons. Mrenda fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Jun 12, 2019 |
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Jun 12, 2019 18:53
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If you had fun despite chucking lures away and catching seaweed, this is the sport for you. Practice your knot tying at home, it's a nice way to fiddle while you watch TV or something. What knots are you using? https://www.animatedknots.com is a great resource. I use the surgeons loop knot most.
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Jun 12, 2019 18:57
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The Uniknot and the Palomar knot are two excellent multi-purpose knots to get you started. There are others that have situational uses that you may later find handy, but if you're trying to keep your tackle on your line, these will do that. Also, please don't think that you're making GBS threads up the thread by asking questions. We all learn from it, and the thread frequently needs something to talk about. We're all learning about fishing in Ireland with you, and I appreciate you sharing your experience! My own question for the thread: what is your favorite rig and bait for channel catfish?
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Jun 12, 2019 19:08
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Trot line with hot dogs. Add a suitcase of coors lights and a camp fire.
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Jun 12, 2019 19:17
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Every catfish I have ever caught has been on accident. Every time I've gone out wanting to catch one, I never have.
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Suspect Bucket posted:Every catfish I have ever caught has been on accident. Every time I've gone out wanting to catch one, I never have. We used trot lines while on Sacramento river cruises in sea scouts as teens. One time we forgot how much the tide would drop and tied it off. In the morning we went to get it and there was a catfish dangling a few inches above the water.
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Jun 12, 2019 19:51
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Suspect Bucket posted:Every catfish I have ever caught has been on accident. Every time I've gone out wanting to catch one, I never have. lmao this is exactly how I caught my first catfish. Had bait "for carp" in the water and was fishing with my other reel when my other rod suddenly drops into the dirt from its stand. "Weird" I say as I pick up the rod and start reeling to find that there's a strange amount of tension on the line
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Hmmm, ok. Fish for poop trout, catch catfish. I think I've got it!
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Jun 12, 2019 21:19
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It’s really easy to lose lures when spinning in high winds. Especially cross winds. As the line is moving through your guides a strong wind can push the line as it is travelling up your rod causing the line to catch. I lose most of my lures spinning heavy winds.
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Jun 12, 2019 21:30
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Mrenda posted:The knot where you pull it back, twist it around, then thread it back through and pull. It was the knot the guy in the shop told me to use as it's simple to manage outside in the wind. I think I wasn't doing enough twists and not tightening it close enough to the swivel. Was it the "improved clinch knot?" (https://www.netknots.com/fishing_knots/improved-clinch-knot) I'm new to fishing as well (really just started going last year, and since I'm in the north and am not ice fishing, haven't been out too much for about 8 months). I had a real problem losing lures off of the improved clinch knot. Talked to my friend who knew everything about fishing, he couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. Then one day, I figured it out, almost by accident. I was pulling on the tag end (the little bit of left over line), and should have been focusing on pulling on the main line and the hook. When you do that, the knot slides down the line and "seats itself" on the hook. You can really feel it lock into place. (Putting some saliva on the knot really helps too.) So once you get the knot formed, grab the hook and pull down on it away from the main line. The knot should basically slide down the line to the hook and lock in place (you may need to grab the knot a little bit to get it moving. If you're doing it right, it will really feel right. You'll know it. After I changed to that, I didn't lose a lure due to a bad knot for the rest of the summer.
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I've used a version of a clinch knot since my dad taught me about 20 years ago and once you get them down well, you have to try hard to get it to come undone. Its a good basic knot to tie. A palomar is also a great knot, but I don't have much practice tying it and therefore don't have much confidence in it personally. Find one you like and practice the hell out of it. Also, as for catching seaweed, thats not necessarily a bad thing. If there is one rule of fishing no matter where you are doing it, its that fish loving love cover. Rocks, vegetation, stumps, bridge pilings, etc. If they can hide next to it and think they're safe, they will. It also makes a great ambush spot for eating other fish. Next time, try focusing on the areas just at the edge of the seaweed. It'll be thinner there, plus if there is a fish hiding in the weeds to ambush his dinner or patrolling looking for bait hiding in the weeds, he'll be much more down to eat your lure. Another thing that can help is varying your retrieve. Change your retrieve speed during the retrieve, pause occasionally, etc. Sometimes that change will trigger that instinct to strike. And I don't know if the guy at the shop told you, but with what you are fishing with, you'll need to set the hook. Don't just keep reeling towards you if you feel a thump through the rod. Lift the rod up and back while reeling quickly to dig the hook into the fish's mouth. Set it harder for the swimming baits that have a single hook, set it easier for the lures that have the treble (the 3 hooks in one) hook. Lastly, don't get discouraged. I've been a couple dozen times this year trying to figure out what exactly the freshwater fish in this area will respond to after years of only saltwater fishing. I only have half a dozen dinky bass to show for it, but I'm starting to get a handle on it and am learning what they want and how they want it presented. If it was easy, they'd just call it catchin'.
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A Pack of Kobolds posted:My own question for the thread: what is your favorite rig and bait for channel catfish? a no-roll egg sinker (1oz unless current is painfully strong), a 2-3 feet wire or heavy mono leader, and a 5/0 or 4/0 circle hook if I'm using chunk bait. I always had the most luck with chicken livers, but unless you cure them first they're a huge pain in the rear end to use, and if you cure them first they don't seem quite as effective. One local favorite is to buy some cheapass chicken (preferably thighs) that is on clearance, cutting it into 1 inch cubes, and soaking them in clam juice for a couple of days right up until you stick 'em on the hook. Seems to work okay, but turtles also eat it. Never actually caught a fish on a hot dog, even after soaking it in kool-aid and garlic. Lately I've been using some dip bait I got on clearance with some home-made sponge hooks (felt hat cleaning sponges cut up and mounted on treble hooks), and while I've gotten a lot of hits I've yet to land a fish. I want to like the Yeh Monn strips, but I've had no luck with those at all, which is a goddamn shame.
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Huh. I like that chicken thigh idea. Cheap and tough. I may give that a shot.
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A Pack of Kobolds posted:My own question for the thread: what is your favorite rig and bait for channel catfish? Slip bobber to weight with a couple feet slack to an extra piece of whatever we're barbecuing close to the dock. Cooked steak or raw chicken works well. Ribs okay, not as good. Set the drag loose on a loud reel and stick it in the rod holder. Don't watch the bobber, watch the dog. He hears it and goes nuts, loves fishing. It's a bit of a complicated rig but you asked for favorite. Had one night where I had the fatty tough part of the steak down and got nothing for 45 minutes. Changed it to a piece of straight meat and caught 3 on it in 15 minutes so don't make that mistake.
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