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I'm really curious what Decolonization would look like in this timeline.
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Super Jay Mann posted:I'm really curious what Decolonization would look like in this timeline. Do any actual colonial empires still exist with overseas holding intact? The French and Morocco had the biggest ones prewar and what's left are either newly independent or successor empires of long liberated colonies
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Jun 12, 2019 05:13
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420 Gank Mid posted:Do any actual colonial empires still exist with overseas holding intact? The French and Morocco had the biggest ones prewar and what's left are either newly independent or successor empires of long liberated colonies A good chunk of Benin's empire might qualify as colonial, even if it is all contiguous.
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i81icu812 posted:Wtf happened to Scandinavia at the end there? And how did we avoid nuking any of their cities They capitulated before we could get there, and from that point the battle mostly revolved around stopping the Russians from getting into north Germany. The Germans attempted a naval invasion, but they were surrounded and annihilated. ManifunkDestiny posted:Not being as familiar with HoI4 as I am with other Paradox games, Hashim is there a way you can pull demographic info, primarily population and industrial capacity? What are the biggest cities in this timeline? No unfortunately. And war doesn't affect population like in vicky anyways, so it'd be useless.
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V. Illych L. posted:i absolutely adore how you managed to resist making us the good guy and how you gave us poisoned choices which were nonetheless reasonably fair, given context. just having us go full stalinist when we had our revolution was absolutely excellent There aren't really any borders left to redraw, apart from the Middle East and Germany and they're kinda clear-cut there. The votes are gonna stay as they are, but they'll definitely change into the future (narratively, that is).
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Mantis42 posted:e: btw did my admiral accomplish anything of note? I rebuilt a decently-sized submarine fleet in 1944/45, and al-Nabiu led it in a ton of missions in the Mediterranean. Most of our those missions were massacres, but still. Kangxi posted:
Nadiyah al-Khattab was part of the high command for a good while as an Airborne Assault expert, giving us a boost to paradropping operations.
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Jun 12, 2019 05:44
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I assume all of North Ibriz's commanders got garroted though, yeah?
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Jun 12, 2019 05:46
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I'm just glad that Mahmud ibn Bibil managed to get down in history as the man who conquered Europe (in the name of Supreme Leader Mizanur, of course).
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Jun 12, 2019 05:52
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I'm still assuming my lady died in an extremely poorly-conceived naval battle.
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Jun 12, 2019 05:56
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:I assume all of North Ibriz's commanders got garroted though, yeah? North Ibriz were actually never completely wiped out, weirdly enough. They've clung to a little slice of land around Portland so far.
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Hashim posted:North Ibriz were actually never completely wiped out, weirdly enough. They've clung to a little slice of land around Portland so far. Keeping North Ibriz weird, I guess. Snipee posted:e: I just realized that we have conquered all of the most holy cities in the Abrahamic traditions. The most atheist bloc holds Jerusalem, Rome, Mecca, and Medina... this might turn out quite bad for us in the long run. What an exciting variety of religious terrorisms we have awaiting us. Do you think we allow pilgrimage? An interesting choice of letting in potential zealots and acting against our official ideology, or alienating huge swathes of the world population.
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Jun 12, 2019 06:11
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In general, the history of this world seems to feature less unfriendly relations between Christians and Muslims, with Morocco and al-Andalus being fully integrated into the European state system and only sporadic examples of religious violence on either side from the early modern era onwards. It's one of the few non-hellish things about this timeline. Yeah, there were plenty of wars between us and France, but they haven't really been about religion since the middle ages. Pakled fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Jun 12, 2019 |
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Jun 12, 2019 06:31
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My character got introduced to the bottom of the sea at some point, probably.
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Gonna be plenty of work for the Ministry of Infrastructure! Jalb is pleased, especially after his
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Jun 12, 2019 13:17
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Well I don't think this world will be worrying about global warming any time soon..
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how many bombs were exploded in the end (as of now)? are they all hiroshima/nagasaki type bombs? i was curious about specifics on deaths from these sorts of bombs and i found this site on an ivy league university's site, so hopefully reputable, that gives numbers like this for hiroshima: within 'the first few' months: 90,000-166,000 dead 2-6 years after: 'attributable risk' for leukemia is 46%. i think this is how much the rate of leukemia rose, but the text is vague 10+ years after: 'attributable risk' for non-leukemia cancers is 10.7%. it adds that a 'barely survivable' dose would 'only' give a 500% increase the next generation: apparently no heightened risk for cancer? the people in the womb in august 1945 were born slightly smaller and with more mental disabilities, apparently. it's quantified in a linked article but i can't translate that into casualty numbers so that doesn't give actual numbers for the cancer victims, but at least it quantifies some things. maybe other people can find better numbers anyway, if that happens ten times, in a less mountainous place, to larger cities, we easily have 1+ million dead within the year, or it could be more like 8 but it seems like it'd stay on that order of magnitude? i'd guess that for the next decade there's going to be a leukemia crisis in germany (although i have no idea how much of the hiroshima damage covered above is downwind and how much is purely localized), followed by higher levels of other cancers for a generation that's pretty horrible spelled out like that, but it's not like the whole region would be a wasteland. unless the bombs were bigger. edit: on a completely unrelated note, i wonder if gharbia is gonna be nice and give everybody else a Marshall Plan. although they have enough problems in north america before they start worrying about helping somebody like russia. drat, this world is bleak oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Jun 12, 2019 |
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Jun 12, 2019 14:46
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Would the internet be invented in that alternate world? Maybe Something Awful would be called شيء فظيع
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Jun 12, 2019 14:58
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it seems unlikely that gharbia would enjoy the sort of cultural hegemony that the USA have going for them jeez, at least china is less of a basket case than IRL
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V. Illych L. posted:it seems unlikely that gharbia would enjoy the sort of cultural hegemony that the USA have going for them I also don't think that the Berbers are going to be able to easily integrate their gains from Ibriz and New England. Those are wholly different cultures with a long history of independence and sovereignty. I guess they could always Balkanize the area like we did with the Frankish Empire, but every other great power is going to be funneling funds and weapons to partisans and rebel groups there as much as they can without sparking a conflict. Waono is going to become a hotbed of illicit weapons smuggling.
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V. Illych L. posted:i absolutely adore how you managed to resist making us the good guy and how you gave us poisoned choices which were nonetheless reasonably fair, given context. just having us go full stalinist when we had our revolution was absolutely excellent Guards this man wants to restore the Franco-English super state that has been punching us in the dick for like 150 years now.
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Yeah, I’m pretty happy with the borders that we drew. France needed to be broken up after so many centuries of threatening our existence. It’s a huge shame that we couldn’t have taken more of the Middle East or fully restored Socialist Germany, but I guess that’s how nuclear war against the Russians goes. Consolidating the British and/or French states wouldn’t have made much of a difference.
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Maybe I missed it but I'm curious how I did as a general leading the glorious Berber Union to complete victory over our barbaric North Gharbian neighbors. 
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I expect the Berber Union's relationship with the rest of Gharbia to be the USA's Monroe Doctrine on steroids, since they not only established military dominance with force but also got to directly pick the new governments. And hey, South America's finally done well for itself in a mega-LP! ZearothK fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jun 12, 2019 |
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Jun 12, 2019 23:02
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Hmm, if we develop ICBMs first we might be capable of wiping the Berber Union's military capabilities offline without them being able to nuke us back...
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Not gonna lie, I'm still kind of pissed that the Russians didn't support my guy and the other Liberals in Germany. Even more so cause even if he managed to avoid getting garroted by the socialists or executed by the French he was probably caught in the nuclear hellfire during the exchange with Russia. God the Germans just can't get a break, can they? They've had like one fifty year period of being a major power in Europe but otherwise just fought themselves their whole history with intermittent bouts of getting their poo poo rocked by there neighbors. Then they become the testing ground for the first nukes along with Bohemia.
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I don't know if my guy in New England even did anything valuable at all. Probably got nuked in New York. =/
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Jun 13, 2019 02:31
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Benin definitely going to ally with Russia to keep Iberia in check. I guess the people on the asian side of Russia will become Iberian allies to keep the Russians in check too. So Manchuria? Polgas fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Jun 13, 2019 |
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Jun 13, 2019 03:33
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I wonder what German Godzilla will be like.
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I'm just proud that The Autocrat ended up being an Al-Shujae. 
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WilliamAnderson posted:I don't know if my guy in New England even did anything valuable at all. Probably got nuked in New York. =/ You were a Backroom Backstabber in the government, so you were probably in Richmond and so survived the war. Probably jump at the change to rebuild the country as well. Super Jay Mann posted:Maybe I missed it but I'm curious how I did as a general leading the glorious Berber Union to complete victory over our barbaric North Gharbian neighbors. You've got Logistic Wizard, Offensive Doctrine and a bunch more combat traits, so definitely played a part in the war.
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Jun 13, 2019 16:14
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On a coil flip, either my guy took the easy life with the Berbers or died with Ibriz. (I had honestly forgotten my guy's name)
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Jun 13, 2019 16:41
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I am curious about the fate of the last ibn Cyrah
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Jun 13, 2019 16:51
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I probably died when the Khedivate got invaded.
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Jun 13, 2019 17:00
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I like to think my Russian General was a spearhead of turning the war around in Russia. He probably was one of those cowards that ran when things got tough. 
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I assume we all got purged with the monarchist coup.
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Jun 13, 2019 17:39
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Where did you wind up putting my guy? Kind of hope he’s hanging out in the Ibrizi remnant.
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Jun 13, 2019 18:01
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I would like to know the fate of Giuseppe Calabrese. I'm guessing the Fash took him out, but at least he didn't get nuked to bits!
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Oh yeah I'm curious what happened to my Russian guy too. Probably died in a nuclear explosion somewhere along the way, I guess.
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My Admiral guy probably died in one of the times we lost our fleets.
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