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Vintersorg posted:Director confirmed a skeleton may or may not be Anguirus. "Might or might not be" = Legally it is not Anguirus because the license was not bought from Toho. But certainly that fact does not negate it is Anguirus in spirit and a fun Easter Egg!
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Mantis42 posted:why do you refer to it as the Versus series and not its actual title? Japan’s Heisei Era actually only ended like two months ago, so really everything since Godzilla Vs. Biollante has been a Heisei film. (Gojira 1984, meanwhile, was actually made in the Showa Era). As with the Showa Series, the categorization used by most people is based mainly on plot continuity. There isn’t much thematic or stylistic difference between Takao Okawara’s three entries in the Versus Series and Masaaki Tezuka’s “Kiryu Saga”, for example. So it’s really more useful to look at the Heisei Series as a much broader category split between Versus and Millenium: pre- and post-Godzilla 1998.
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This picture suggests to me that the real reason Monster Zero here is the villain and Godzilla the hero is that Godzilla doesn't skip leg day! Look at those twigs he's standing on, get squatting Ghidorah! This movie was...fine I guess? Not a patch on Godzilla '14 or Kong: Skull Island. Shin Godzilla also shits all over it. I have to ask a question about human plots in films like this. Are they really necessary? Would people wander out of the movie saying "Eh it was ok, but instead of being 100% monster action, I wish there had been some stupid plot about humans trying to save the world by destroying it." Just once I would like somebody to try to make a movie like this and completely ignore the urge to put in human plots that are required by four quadrant marketing or whatever. I'm pretty convinced it wouldn't hurt the film or it's box office at all.
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garycoleisgod posted:This picture suggests to me that the real reason Monster Zero here is the villain and Godzilla the hero is that Godzilla doesn't skip leg day! But having a movie just from the monsters' POV would mean taking a risk and if there's anything Hollywood hates, it's taking risks.
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Vinylshadow posted:
At first I thought it looked more alien in this instance, but it kinda reminds me of the MUTOs. In hindsight it makes sense that Monster Zero, as an alien, could conceivably look like a hokey space dragon.
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Jun 14, 2019 01:59
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VolticSurge posted:But having a movie just from the monsters' POV would mean taking a risk and if there's anything Hollywood hates, it's taking risks. More importantly you'd be looking at double or triple the budget.
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Jun 14, 2019 02:11
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garycoleisgod posted:This movie was...fine I guess? Not a patch on Godzilla '14 or Kong: Skull Island. Shin Godzilla also shits all over it. I have to ask a question about human plots in films like this. Are they really necessary? Would people wander out of the movie saying "Eh it was ok, but instead of being 100% monster action, I wish there had been some stupid plot about humans trying to save the world by destroying it." It’s folly to divide Kaiju films into separate “human” and “monster” plots in the first place. Don’t let this film’s shoddiness fool you; they really are indivisible, even here (hence the dumb cell-phone video of the family in bear costumes). Take humans entirely out of a Kaiju film and you just have a cartoon animals movie.
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Vinylshadow posted:
I kinda like this better.
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Something I noticed on a second viewing that made me laugh. When the credits got past the news reel clips and to the cast list, like ALAN JONAH | CHARLES DANCE and such, when it got to the end of the human cast, it went: GODZILLA | HIMSELF KING GHIDORAH | HIMSELF MOTHRA | HERSELF RODAN | HIMSELF Total  moment right there.
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In my head I wanted three things from the credits. One: to have that badass cover of Godzilla playing over it. Two: using the same style as the first movie. Three: doing something as fun and cute as that. Thanks Mike. You haven’t let me down yet.
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Jun 14, 2019 05:33
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Concept art from one of the design studios on this page: https://www.weibo.com/1707342322/Hy...nd1560489041929
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Jun 14, 2019 06:15
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The film helpfully explained an earlier question I had about the MUTOs- how did they reproduce when all they did was give each other a few Eskimo kisses. Judging from what they mosaiced out in the footage, that's exactly how it works with that species.
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mllaneza posted:Concept art from one of the design studios on this page: That link doesn't work
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Burkion posted:That link doesn't work It worked for me but it took a while to load, I probably have Chinese spyware bullshit now.
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Given the movie iirc ended with Monarch declassifying their monster research I was a bit disappointed that they didn't reverse the blacking out text thing in the credits.
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mllaneza posted:Concept art from one of the design studios on this page: https://www.instagram.com/p/BySHzr2AU5t/?igshid=xtlq5ri7eoy3 This dude has a couple other paintings of Rodan as well.
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Jun 14, 2019 17:12
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Mothra looks like the Brain Bug.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Mothra looks like the Brain Bug. And Rodan looks like, I don't know, Ridley from Metroid.
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Timby posted:And Rodan looks like, I don't know, Ridley from Metroid. That is exactly what I thought when I saw Rodan first show up.
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I long for a Metroid movie. A movie with no dialog, told visually, as it follows Samus exploring a planet and combatting space pirates and Ridley. Mixing action and zen like moments in extra-terrestrial beauty letting a scene breathe.
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s.i.r.e. posted:I kinda like this better. Well that wouldn’t have been a retread. The monster designs in this one were a real letdown after the crazy stuff in the last two. The Ghidorah in Godzilla 2 is ultimately just more boring. They gave him regular-rear end bat wings (effectively just arms) instead of his usual sails, which makes that the design much less alien and more “plausible”. (Ghidorah in Three-Headed Monster has only two limbs, and is implied to use some kind of electromagnetic effect to fly around.)
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Gatts posted:I long for a Metroid movie. A movie with no dialog, told visually, as it follows Samus exploring a planet and combatting space pirates and Ridley. Mixing action and zen like moments in extra-terrestrial beauty letting a scene breathe. Tangent but you may want to check out the five part Warhammer 40k fanfilm "Astartes" to see how a well conceptualized and executed film a zero dialogue power armor film can be pulled off.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Tangent but you may want to check out the five part Warhammer 40k fanfilm "Astartes" to see how a well conceptualized and executed film a zero dialogue power armor film can be pulled off. Warhammer 40K has kind of a great creative base that, at least from what I've seen, seems in on the joke and does a good job. EDIT: Astartes was pretty good. I love how the armored marines exuded pure will, commitment and execution to their objective. It showed a kind of singlemindedness that screamed atmosphere. Gatts fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Jun 15, 2019 |
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Gatts posted:I long for a Metroid movie. A movie with no dialog, told visually, as it follows Samus exploring a planet and combatting space pirates and Ridley. Mixing action and zen like moments in extra-terrestrial beauty letting a scene breathe. Only if Gwendoline Christie plays Samus
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:Only if Gwendoline Christie plays Samus Eh. I prefer Elizabeth Debicki but almost anyone can play Samus as long as they'll be good with physical acting, probably through motion capture.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:(Ghidorah in Three-Headed Monster has only two limbs, and is implied to use some kind of electromagnetic effect to fly around.) Not sure about this, but in any event it was sort of amusing to see that the last shots of Ghidorah flying, as he chases Vera Farmiga's character through the streets of Boston, makes him look like a Showa or Heisei flying marionette.
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HannibalBarca posted:Not sure about this, but in any event it was sort of amusing to see that the last shots of Ghidorah flying, as he chases Vera Farmiga's character through the streets of Boston, makes him look like a Showa or Heisei flying marionette. Point is that the ‘wings’ in the Honda films are actually fins, and practically ornamental. Ghidorah was just this weird dismembered torso on legs - animals with only two limbs are exceedingly uncommon. The addition of wings brings the design in line with European dragons. Rather than add wings, if you want to stay truer to the original design, remove the legs entirely and have him inexplicably hover over the ground. They have the same issue in making Rodan bird-like.
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HannibalBarca posted:Not sure about this, but in any event it was sort of amusing to see that the last shots of Ghidorah flying, as he chases Vera Farmiga's character through the streets of Boston, makes him look like a Showa or Heisei flying marionette. Showa Nowhere near stiff enough to be Heisei
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:Only if Gwendoline Christie plays Samus Uma Thurman. But seeing as how she's the new hollywood hotness Sophie Turner might take the role so she doesn't have to dye her hair red or wear a red wig anymore and she can play the wilting weepy flower Samus from Other M.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Point is that the ‘wings’ in the Honda films are actually fins, and practically ornamental. Ghidorah was just this weird dismembered torso on legs - animals with only two limbs are exceedingly uncommon. Uh, okay, whatever. quote:They have the same issue in making Rodan bird-like. This, yeah, I agree with that. Although I appreciate that they gave up on some of the first draft concept art that made him look more bird-like, with feathers and that sort of thing.
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Sacrilege I’m sure, but I actually thought this was the first movie ever where Ghidorah looked good. The two-legged, two-tailed, no-armed, three-headed thing just never played very well for me with suit and wires. I loved the way he walked on the ground using his wings, like Vermithrax in Dragonslayer.
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I just watched Shin Godzilla for the first time and goddamn that movie is rock solid. They get that in order to make the human plot interesting, it has to be about humanity and not specific humans. Yeah, we see the plot through only a couple of characters, but they're standing in for everyone else and we don't really deal with their personal issues at all. Their ambitions and manipulation of the situation for personal gain is representative of everyone else doing the same thing and that's why we don't really get any closure on it. Whether or not they become president or prime minister is irrelevant to the story of Shin Godzilla.
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Yaaaaas Atlas Hugged posted:I just watched Shin Godzilla for the first time and goddamn that movie is rock solid. They get that in order to make the human plot interesting, it has to be about humanity and not specific humans. Yeah, we see the plot through only a couple of characters, but they're standing in for everyone else and we don't really deal with their personal issues at all. Their ambitions and manipulation of the situation for personal gain is representative of everyone else doing the same thing and that's why we don't really get any closure on it. Whether or not they become president or prime minister is irrelevant to the story of Shin Godzilla. It’s just vital context. Like, again, with Ghidorah’s first appearance in The Three-Headed Monster, the monsters don’t show up for the first half-hour or so. And it’s great! After Mothra has attacked the US and subdued Godzilla in the previous films, the fairies from Infant Island are (still) trying to spread their message of universal love, but they’re relegated to a variety show about washed-up celebrities ‘for housewives’. The cop protagonist would rather watch a news program about the government’s foreign policy. In a vital point apparently removed from the American version, the fictional third-world nation of Selgina is the site of some Cold War proxy conflict. Princess Selina, to escape the two superpowers, has ‘gone crazy’ and become a full-on leftist - Christian radical, a prophet. In the words of the Flying Saucer Club president, Selina escaped into a gap between dimensions: “between the two worlds” and emerged as a new being, a nameless vagrant. (The Fairies seem almost annoyed with Selina because they can only deal in the present - they can’t see the future. Selina is a much more radical figure. But the Fairies believe her, and it saves their lives.) In Godzilla 2, the newscaster gravely intones that Earth’s population has spent five years in an incredible new world where “monsters are real”, but it’s like the hollow Earth exposition: there’s zero relevance to the actual story. There’s no reason why the ancient underwater city can’t just be a cave, because it is just a cave. We don’t see any people.
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It is easier for me to believe that Godzilla used a hollow earth jet-stream that this movie and the in-universe movie released before it set up to fast travel crocodile-tackle Ghidorah in the open ocean than it is for me to believe that he whatever thing you are going to say he did instead. I invoke the film version of Occam's razor, even if it sounds insane to do that for a giant monster movie that takes place in an alternate universe earth where creatures can outlast geologic strata. You cannot hurt me anymore, ghosts. I still like the movie.
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HannibalBarca posted:okay he's just making stuff up I understand why people don't like him now. SMG is a smart dude, but that doesn't mean he's always right. And sometimes instead of using his learnin' to do right, he just gets a bug up his rear end and tries to do the dumbest readings of a movie while also pretending to still be serious and sincere and see who falls for it The moment he opened with "this movie is incomprehensible" was the big clue
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This feels a little like writing a book report on the Cliff's Notes, though.
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Chronojam posted:This feels a little like writing a book report on the Cliff's Notes, though. Yeah it should. That's SMG's gimmick when he's in moods like this. He purposely makes things obtuse and misremembers and misinterprets things and argues 100% in bad faith There's no reasoning and no debating him because he's not coming from a point where you can debate him. He is making his exaggerated hyperbolic view of the film known and waiting for people to call him on it so he can go deeper into his garbled nonsense well of bullshit and fuckery It's great when you don't like the movie he's complaining about, not so much when it gets turned around on you. Though if you're arguing about why a movie isn't good and then he barges in with his wall of nonsense, that also gets irritating because it makes it look like EVERYONE saying negative things and critiquing the film is saying nonsense.
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I can take or leave his interpretation of KOTM, but (purposefully?) misremembering Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster is where I draw the line.
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