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Phantasium posted:It's this, but also it counts runs instead of users, so if your level is only played by one person who plays ten times and only clears it once, it's a 10% clear rate. Ah ok, thanks, that makes sense. I'm also assuming that it just flat out filters out your own runs from the levels? Or, now that I type that out, I actually assume that when looking for levels online, you're never shown your own. Is that correct? So, if you had the #1 highest-rated level in the Normal Difficulty - Global category, you would be the only one who would see a different level as the #1? EDIT: I've been half-watching/half-listening to some DGR videos this morning while at work, and just learned he's from  
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Ah ok, thanks, that makes sense. I'm also assuming that it just flat out filters out your own runs from the levels? Or, now that I type that out, I actually assume that when looking for levels online, you're never shown your own. Is that correct? No, I don't believe there's any self-filtering. I've definitely seen levels that had the same uploader and WR holder. If you wanted to just beat your own level over and over again, go ahead I guess! What's the harm after all?
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I was thinking more from a 'cheesing the completion stats' point-of-view, but maybe your runs don't count towards the actual level death/completion stats.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I was thinking more from a 'cheesing the completion stats' point-of-view, but maybe your runs don't count towards the actual level death/completion stats. Are you suggesting that an uploader could play their level over and over and purposely die, thereby making the level seem harder than it is so it'll appear in Super Expert? I'm still not entirely sure somebody wouldn't be able to do that if they wanted to, it's just that nobody really does afaik!
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Phantasium posted:It's this, but also it counts runs instead of users, so if your level is only played by one person who plays ten times and only clears it once, it's a 10% clear rate. It would be a lot more telling if they displayed:
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timp posted:Are you suggesting that an uploader could play their level over and over and purposely die, thereby making the level seem harder than it is so it'll appear in Super Expert? I'm still not entirely sure somebody wouldn't be able to do that if they wanted to, it's just that nobody really does afaik! Either that, or they clear it using all of the tricks they know of, since they made it, thus making it seem easier than it is, and it gets incorrectly classified. Again, I'm assuming that the system doesn't count any of your runs on your own levels, I was just curious if that was true.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Either that, or they clear it using all of the tricks they know of, since they made it, thus making it seem easier than it is, and it gets incorrectly classified. I really think it does though, that's what I'm saying! The problem you're outlining isn't really much of a problem worth circumventing. Sometimes levels that are far too easy DO end up in Super Expert, but as more people play them with no problem, they eventually get sorted back down into Expert or lower. Same thing with the inverse; I see streamers finish super expert levels all the time and go "...that was a super expert?"
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:So, I'm kind of fascinated by the 'movement', for lack of a better term, of clearing out all of the SMM1 levels that have a 0.00% clearance rate. That's pretty neat, and I wonder if they'll get them all done before SMM2 is released. Gotta dust off my wii u so I can do the reverse of this- go the most cleared levels and die as much as I can!
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timp posted:I really think it does though, that's what I'm saying! The problem you're outlining isn't really much of a problem worth circumventing. Sometimes levels that are far too easy DO end up in Super Expert, but as more people play them with no problem, they eventually get sorted back down into Expert or lower. Same thing with the inverse; I see streamers finish super expert levels all the time and go "...that was a super expert?" Ah, gotcha. I suppose within no time, the general population's stats would obliterate your own. Man, again, I haven't played SMM1, though I've watched a ton of it, and I can't even begin to comprehend just how many levels are going to be made this time, now that it'll likely have an install base much larger than the first game. . 
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I guess with a big enough twitch following, you could get enough people to farm deaths that an easy level could get to super expert.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Ah, gotcha. I suppose within no time, the general population's stats would obliterate your own. I just realized I accidentally said the same thing twice in that quote above, lol but instead of editing my earlier post I'll use this opportunity to add another relevant point to this discussion. I'm fairly sure that ALL new levels get filtered into Super Expert, as I see quite a few streamers get First Clears while they play through Super Expert but I've never seen a brutally hard level just randomly end up in Easy, Medium, or Expert mode. So that sort of helps deal with half of the issue of levels getting sorted inaccurately
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I don't know what the secret formula is to classify a level as easy/normal/expert/super expert but completion % alone is not it. You have cases like this one that have a .48% clear rate but are still classified as easy. People must have been deliberately dying to drag down the clear rate but the system still knows the level is easy so the clear to play ratio probably has to factor in as well. Then you have something like this stage which has one clear, 45 players, and 55 attempts. The level just lags the timer by forcing mystery mushrooms on you constantly and all you have to do is wait for eight and a half hours for a p-switch to get set off. People abandoning the level doesn't seem to count against it in the difficulty rating. J-Spot fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Jun 14, 2019 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrFrT7-19JI Good actual level making design video Ceave is one of the best Mario guys on YouTube. He has a ton of videos explaining different contraptions one can make in Mario Maker and how they could be implemented in levels John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Jun 14, 2019 |
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Was about to post that, I've watched a bunch of videos on the subject and I still learned a ton. Worth noting this isn't about building insane contraption. He puts together a very simple level with nothing more complex than moving platforms outside of one little secret, and it looks great.
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrFrT7-19JI  This one is going in the OP too.
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Yeah the idea of playtesting regular, then speed run, then without run at all to remove your muscle memory, tweaking during each test phase, is really smart.
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Yeah the idea of playtesting regular, then speed run, then without run at all to remove your muscle memory, tweaking during each test phase, is really smart. This is how I made my levels in MM1  I thought this was honestly the smartest way to do it so surprised others weren't doing it beforehand.
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Well, I've come to a surprising realization after watching as many SMM2 videos out there as I could; I absolutely hate the I don't know what it is about it that I hate, either. I initially didn't care at all, which is probably the lowest opinion I could give a Mario-related song, but this one just grates on my nerves now and I never want to hear it again  I even enjoy the NSMB theme more than this one. Edit: for clarity, this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbNMffXXATA gently caress this track so much. I don't even know why. Rupert Buttermilk fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Jun 16, 2019 |
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i dunno what to say, that track owns
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That's... one of the best Mario tracks ever from one of the best Mario games ever. I... can't believe this. Mods? God? Someone?
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U-DO Burger posted:i dunno what to say, that track owns legitimately speechless
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:gently caress this track so much. I don't even know why. Tone deaf maybe?
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IcePhoenix posted:Tone deaf maybe? Ironically enough, I'm a trained audio engineer and composer. I'm trying to find any sort of actual, compositional reason that I can't stand it, and I'm blanking. Welp. Edit: I have two young sons, who like most kids (and goons  ) take everything and run it into the ground almost immediately. Maybe I'm just really loving tired of that track, and no longer have much patience for poo poo repeating over and over, day after day (I've watched a LOT of these videos). Then again, I've heard the entire SMB3 soundtrack probably more than 500 times at this point, and I still love it.  Little Mac posted:That's... one of the best Mario tracks ever from one of the best Mario games ever. Hi, you're incorrect, even if I didn't hate that 3D world track  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv-Sw2v_pyA Rupert Buttermilk fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Jun 16, 2019 |
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I don't really like the NSMBU music myself. I wish they'd use the theme from the other NSMB games, as that one's much better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GK41pLUuP0
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Well, I've come to a surprising realization after watching as many SMM2 videos out there as I could; I absolutely hate the You have the weirdest post history in this thread, drat
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Mega64 posted:I don't really like the NSMBU music myself. I wish they'd use the theme from the other NSMB games, as that one's much better. NSMBU was always strange to me because much of the presentation of it feels well-made but like bland and safe but the actual meat of the game is just fantastic.
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Zelder posted:You have the weirdest post history in this thread, drat I've been on these forums way too long to be bothered by this. I'll take it as a badge of honour before anything else.
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I love the 3D World theme. Makes me think of cats.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Ironically enough, I'm a trained audio engineer and composer. I'm trying to find any sort of actual, compositional reason that I can't stand it, and I'm blanking. But you didn't even post the best version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgQPlbwyX8w
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I prefer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTa7mPHPk3s myself
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:
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 Finished up easy runs to get even numbers all around before I go on vacation and head to SGDQ. A nice ending to my favorite game of the past four years.
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I'm like 20 stars away from the final medal. It makes me happy that 4 years later that number is still slooowly climbing up somehow. It would be nice to hit it before MM2 but eh
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I wound up with a total of 1660 stars. I'll be interested to see how the new rating system, as well as my better experience with making levels, affects things. I'm assuming that you'll need a certain rating to unlock more upload slots again, right? I don't remember that being said anywhere.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Well, I've come to a surprising realization after watching as many SMM2 videos out there as I could; I absolutely hate the 
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Suspicious Cook posted:I wound up with a total of 1660 stars. I'll be interested to see how the new rating system, as well as my better experience with making levels, affects things. I'm assuming that you'll need a certain rating to unlock more upload slots again, right? I don't remember that being said anywhere. I don’t think they’ve commented on it but there is still a medal system that may or may not be tied to uploads. From the look of it you earn badges through various activities and only a couple appear to be linked to getting likes. 
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Tend to agree with Rupert on this one. Not a fan of 3D world, and even though the song is good, it reminds me of a game I wouldn’t play again. 
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zfleeman posted:Not a fan of 3D world, What the gently caress
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TBF I felt the same way until about world 6, then the game took a sudden strong upturn.
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