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Like the Paris Cathedral (which was supposed to have pointy roofs on its façade towers but never got them), being partly unfinished is what makes the Strasbourg Cathedral so distinctive.
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Phlegmish posted:She's not wrong, but that's what makes them look cool. I'm all about that Gothic style, neoclassical is lame. I mean in the sense that she grew up where churches were domed, and had a minimum of tower like stuff. Spires in general look uninviting to her I guess. Culture clash is weird and cool.
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Grape posted:My wife having grown up in the Eastern Orthodox world virtually her whole life, upon coming to the US, still sincerely thinks western churches all look kind of evil. Like especially the gothic style that Catholic churches even in the US have, and spires in general. Like instead of houses of god, she thinks they look like places Dracula hangs out. I mean it's not like the church wasn't an institute used to subjugate and control the masses.
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Orange Devil posted:I mean it's not like the church wasn't an institute used to subjugate and control the masses. Whoa, cutting edge mind blowing offering right here.
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Phlegmish posted:She's not wrong, but that's what makes them look cool. I'm all about that Gothic style, neoclassical is lame. Neoclassical is better, but Egyptian revival and art deco are better than both. I also like the 30s modernist red brick ones like the John Keble Church. Clearly the superior style for churches is googie though.
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Guavanaut posted:I'm not a fan of Gothic or baroque, too many fiddly bits. In a lot of cases, the fiddly bits were added much later. This is Leuven city hall:  Those statuettes all date from the 19th century.
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bourgie fucks ruined (well, "ruined") a perfectly good building by adding a bunch of gaudy statues. 
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Grape posted:Whoa, cutting edge mind blowing offering right here. Thanks!
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It's good for light shows, though.
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 The border between Belgium and the Netherlands at Baarle-Nassau 
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NWS that poo poo, that's some hardcore border gore.
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time to annex some roads.
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I'm the sovereign Dutch alley between H1 and H5
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Are H7 and H12 essentially just...a single house?
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Blut posted:Are H7 and H12 essentially just...a single house? I think I read somewhere that the border runs through a bunch of houses there. Apparently the house is counted as belonging to Belgium or the Netherlands depending on in which country the main door is, and the people living there just bricked up their door and opened up another one when the taxes were more favourable in the other country  fake edit: Just looked it up, I remembered it right... except there's also one house where the border runs exactly through the door which is why it has both a Belgian and a Dutch address
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It's like that because back in the day they let people decide if they wanted to be Belgian or Dutch. So that led to Dutch enclaves in Belgian enclaves in the Netherlands. The communities do most things together, cause they're really just 1 community.
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System Metternich posted:I think I read somewhere that the border runs through a bunch of houses there. Apparently the house is counted as belonging to Belgium or the Netherlands depending on in which country the main door is, and the people living there just bricked up their door and opened up another one when the taxes were more favourable in the other country Interesting. I mean, the ingenuity definitely has to be admired. But that micro level of border division seems very much unnecessarily complex for administration purposes. Surely the town/county could have just voted for one country or the other in a referendum.
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System Metternich posted:fake edit: Just looked it up, I remembered it right... except there's also one house where the border runs exactly through the door which is why it has both a Belgian and a Dutch address Do the people in that house pay taxes for both countries or none?
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nimby posted:It's like that because back in the day they let people decide if they wanted to be Belgian or Dutch. So that led to Dutch enclaves in Belgian enclaves in the Netherlands. that makes me think of The City and The City, a Mieville story about two different nations superimposed in the same city, each ignoring the others presence through heavy conditioning for fear of breaking the law it's a neat story and I wonder if this, or another, enclave gore situation inspired it
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Peanut Butler posted:that makes me think of The City and The City, a Mieville story about two different nations superimposed in the same city, each ignoring the others presence through heavy conditioning for fear of breaking the law I definitely want to check that book out, it sounds awesome.
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Toplowtech posted:I kinda which we had a movie of the diplomatic discussions. There were none, these are straight up feudal borders
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Blut posted:Interesting. I mean, the ingenuity definitely has to be admired. But that micro level of border division seems very much unnecessarily complex for administration purposes. Surely the town/county could have just voted for one country or the other in a referendum. Do you know more than like two people? I think that nowadays it might possible to straighten these borders, but I wouldn't be surprised if it still took 20 years in the courts.
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Belgium is just bits of the Netherlands and bits of France randomly mashed together so real countries have some place to fight wars.
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Blut posted:Interesting. I mean, the ingenuity definitely has to be admired. But that micro level of border division seems very much unnecessarily complex for administration purposes. Surely the town/county could have just voted for one country or the other in a referendum. Letting the serfs choose who their lords and masters are? You're not making any sort of sense. No, this is a clear division that will make everything so much simpler. The lord of Brabant gets everything related to the agricultural sector; the lord of Breda gets everything related to industry. This will greatly simplify matters of taxes and trade. Makes a lot more sense than your idea of geographic determinism. I mean, what if Breda taxes glassbowers more than Brabant, would that be fair to the glassbower in Breda's estate? With a sectorial split, no such issues!
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post your favorite enclave/exclave: (this is H12 on the map up there)
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Blut posted:Interesting. I mean, the ingenuity definitely has to be admired. But that micro level of border division seems very much unnecessarily complex for administration purposes. Surely the town/county could have just voted for one country or the other in a referendum. It doesn't really matter in the context of the Benelux/EU and it's a point of pride for the locals, if anything. It does make me wonder how they dealt with it before WWII and especially during WWI.
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I picture a cruel German occupier glaring ominously at the assembled stalks of wheat; the Belgian uprising shall not begin here.
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Peanut President posted:post your favorite enclave/exclave: That farmer's gonna have a hard time if Schengen ever falls apart
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Its too bad that triple enclave in India/Bangladesh got cleared up a few years ago. Those were fun times.
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Phlegmish posted:It does make me wonder how they dealt with it before WWII and especially during WWI. During WW1, we Belgians were clever and put a listening post there to spy on German transmissions. The Germans knew it was there but couldn't risk taking it down because then they'd violate Dutch neutrality. Which the Dutch could maintain because it was all done in secret on Belgian territory. I doubt the Dutch were happy, but they couldn't go and invade now could they.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Belgium is just bits of the Netherlands and bits of France randomly mashed together so real countries have some place to fight wars. Ok Baudelaire.
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What the gently caress even is that
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Milo and POTUS posted:What the gently caress even is that Rotate it about 130 degrees counterclockwise.
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dublish posted:Rotate it about 130 degrees counterclockwise. Can't say that did much for me.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Can't say that did much for me. Okay, it's North America.
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Lycus posted:Okay, it's North America. I'll take your word for it 
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Jerry Cotton posted:I'll take your word for it 
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Mercator! 
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