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Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

It's gotta be "Welcome to Flavor Town!"

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Sherry Bahm
Jul 30, 2003

filled with dolphins
I've been out of town all week on family business, and even though I have my phone, Netflix, a PS4 and a tablet, all I'm itchin' for is to get back home to my PC so I can play this again.

Ghazk
May 11, 2007

I can see EVERYTHING
I'm kind of surprised this one wasn't taken yet.

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

Ghost of Starman posted:

...goddammit I wish contacts' storylines (Souvenir arcs, I think they're called?) didn't just abruptly stop if you outlevel them mid-arc. Is this Ouroboros thing I've heard so much about accessible at any level? Do I have to wait 'til I'm lvl 50 before I can access the zone where I can do lvl 15 quests again? :geno:

This shouldn't be the case. Which contact? Actual factual story arcs are supposed to be permanently locked in until you complete them. Some contacts have a task set that acts like a story arc, but isn't actually considered one, and so you can level out of them like anything else.

I'm gonna take a wild stab and say it was something in the Hollows that broke?

Nonexistence
Jan 6, 2014

metasynthetic posted:

Is it possible to make a reasonable (say, 80%+ performance) elec armor farmer vs fire? The only fire armor concept I have that I like probably wouldn't be great at it where a rad / elec brute sounds kinda fun thematically.

It's your free time, value fun over optimum efficiency. My spines/elec is about 80% spines/fire on farming (had a spines/fire on live) but is leagues more survivable in literally any other content besides highly curated AE mobs. Prettier and more fun concept too.

Relentless
Sep 22, 2007

It's a perfect day for some mayhem!


Nonexistence posted:

It's your free time, value fun over optimum efficiency. My spines/elec is about 80% spines/fire on farming (had a spines/fire on live) but is leagues more survivable in literally any other content besides highly curated AE mobs. Prettier and more fun concept too.

I made a boring old rad/fire farmer, just getting him up and really running. I don't even hate the conceptor design, but he will never be used a lot outside of AE farming.

I don't even like playing brutes most of the time, but I was sick last weekend and wanted something mindless to do while I watched bad tv.

He exists to feed my more fun alts. VegetaWeedlord420 needs sweet orange/purple sets!

Ghost of Starman
Mar 9, 2008

John Murdoch posted:

This shouldn't be the case. Which contact? Actual factual story arcs are supposed to be permanently locked in until you complete them. Some contacts have a task set that acts like a story arc, but isn't actually considered one, and so you can level out of them like anything else.

I'm gonna take a wild stab and say it was something in the Hollows that broke?

...yeah, it was the Hollows. I could swear it happened to me elsewhere, too, but that's the only instance I can actually remember. I think I've just been worried about it happening so much, that when it finally did the one time I assumed that's how it always worked.

Or, definitely that second thing has happened: finish a questline with a contact, get introduced to a new contact, new contact immediately says "I got nothing for ya, here's the next contact." But I guess storylines that are in-progress don't actually cut off.

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

Ghost of Starman posted:

...yeah, it was the Hollows. I could swear it happened to me elsewhere, too, but that's the only instance I can actually remember. I think I've just been worried about it happening so much, that when it finally did the one time I assumed that's how it always worked.

Or, definitely that second thing has happened: finish a questline with a contact, get introduced to a new contact, new contact immediately says "I got nothing for ya, here's the next contact." But I guess storylines that are in-progress don't actually cut off.

Yeah according to the wiki all of the Hollows arcs are considered mini-arcs (but doesn't explain if by default you can level past mini-arcs in general). Regardless, The Hollows and Striga Isle are in a weird spot because they existed before they had nailed down how arcs should work, and it shows. The souvenirs for both are really quickly slapped together because before a certain point they didn't exist at all, AFAIK. This is even more apparent with how some of the mission strings in The Hollows have randomized A/B ordering; that's more of a task set thing than a story arc thing.

John Murdoch fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Jun 14, 2019

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops
I seem to have an issue where Homecoming shuts itself whenever it tries to validate and download the game; anyone know why it's doing that?

EponymousMrYar
Jan 4, 2015

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.

Green Bean posted:

Yes, but on a farmer you're spending all of your time fighting enemies that do damage and nothing else. A farmer's like a deep sea fish - it tends to explode when you take it out of its preferred environment.
Yeah, Fire's secondary effect is just More Fire. It's elegant in it's simplicity.

Although I didn't have too bad of a time doing the few non-AE things I did on my farmer (I did a bunch of street/mission leveling to get up to snuff and the University Quest and, maybe something else? I don't remember) but that's likely because I was still at -1/x8 difficulty settings.

Abroham Lincoln posted:

/Elec can do alright, but the big deals on /Fire are Burn and Fiery Embrace and there's no real comparing it to anything else.
/Elec has no comparison to Burn. /Elec's big thing for farming is Lightning Reflex's and Energize giving you more innate recharge so it's easier to hit permahasten and to push buttons even more.

Once /Fire gets to the same permahasten level though, those more button presses turns into more Fiery Embrace's and that skill alone practically doubles your damage output.

Kabuki Shipoopi
Jun 22, 2007

If I fall, you don't get the head, right? If you lose the head, you're fucked!

Harrow posted:

what have i done



(he's a thermal/fire defender)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK6zuii2OLI

Machinegun Arm!
Oct 22, 2008

It's been a ruff day

Ghazk posted:

I'm kind of surprised this one wasn't taken yet.



"Feels like I'm punching nothin' at all!"

HPanda
Sep 5, 2008
Better not neglect him to alt hell. Stupid Flanders need the most attention.

Sojourn
Mar 28, 2005

spectralent posted:

I seem to have an issue where Homecoming shuts itself whenever it tries to validate and download the game; anyone know why it's doing that?

Does it give an error message? I had a problem where a couple log files were set to “read only” when I first downloaded the game and fixing their permissions solved my problem. I can’t remember the specific error message, though I do remember one popping up.

lol if you
Jun 29, 2004

I am going to remove your penis, in thin slices, like salami, just for starters.

Ghazk posted:

I'm kind of surprised this one wasn't taken yet.



hahaha

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
Wasn't there a method to get a super tiny character by editing a saved costume file in some way?

Crasical
Apr 22, 2014

GG!*
*GET GOOD

PoptartsNinja posted:

Wasn't there a method to get a super tiny character by editing a saved costume file in some way?

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3887255&perpage=40&pagenumber=89#post495193509

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
So I found out I could have just dragged my old saved missions folder over to Tequila and popped my arcs into Mission Architect.

Weirdly enough they gave people all the pay-for salvage and recipe expansions, but still just three architect arcs.

Anyway, if some goons want to play some architect story arcs, "Dream Paper" (id 6645) is a hero story about the Lost making paper with sinister results, "Bricked Electronics" (id 6625) is a hero story of the discarded cellphone that ruins the Goldbrickers' plans for the heist of the century, and "Backwards Day" (id 6666) is a villain story about Diviner Maros sending you into the Vaults of Time which has an interesting relationship to causality.

They're a little bit spoiled by that thing where battles kick off and hostages sound off as soon as you load into an architect map, but they're still good.

Also if people have architect questions I have architect answers.

Mystic Mongol
Jan 5, 2007

Your life's been thrown in disarray already--I wouldn't want you to feel pressured.


College Slice

Glazius posted:

Also if people have architect questions I have architect answers.

Often in missions there are story beats where two enemies talk to each other and you can overhear them. Can you do that in architect?

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry

Mystic Mongol posted:

Often in missions there are story beats where two enemies talk to each other and you can overhear them. Can you do that in architect?

As far as I'm aware, you can't do cutscenes in architect, but one of the easiest ways to the effect of "hearing an enemy conversation" is to make enemy patrols and give them dialog. They do tend to pop off early, though. If you'd rather they stay in place you can just make a "boss encounter" with a minion, but bosses don't have back and forth conversations.

I use the patrol approach in, for instance, the second mission of Backwards Day to explain why you're fighting your way through the CoT when Maros invited you - they take bribes from people to jump them in line and you're going to ruin their racket.

Thundarr
Dec 24, 2002


Speaking of cutscenes is there a way to just completely disable the letterboxes that cut off people's heads in literally every cutscene?

Potsticker
Jan 14, 2006


Glazius posted:


Also if people have architect questions I have architect answers.

Is there a way to have an ally appear in a mission without having to save them from a group of enemies or do something like click a glowie beforehand?

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops
Also, is there any way to not have architect characters do their "on encountering" stuff when you're like three rooms away?

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry

Potsticker posted:

Is there a way to have an ally appear in a mission without having to save them from a group of enemies or do something like click a glowie beforehand?

Yes, you can have an ally unescorted. You'll still have to run up to them.

spectralent posted:

Also, is there any way to not have architect characters do their "on encountering" stuff when you're like three rooms away?

Lean hard on the dev team to fix it? It didn't used to be that way, and then it was. Architect was prone to getting borked by other changes.

They do seem to have gotten rid of the "copyrighted character" text filter, at least, so my arc with Sunstorm and Black Scorpion could get published if I had a slot for it.

Ruby Prism
Aug 7, 2011

With this, I'll be able to make the ultimate pie!
I want to create an AE farm character, and from what I can tell, a Brute with Fire Armor is one of the best at it.

Now I know Staff Fighting isn't considered strong, but wouldn't Fury combined with all the additional AoE work out okay? I ask because I got an idea for a stupid concept, and that melee set would be a perfect fit.

However, since this is just a farm character, if Staff is awful for that purpose, I'm willing to go back to the drawing board.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat

That's exactly what I was looking for, thank you!

mastajake
Oct 3, 2005

My blade is unBENDING!

Sophism posted:

I want to create an AE farm character, and from what I can tell, a Brute with Fire Armor is one of the best at it.

Now I know Staff Fighting isn't considered strong, but wouldn't Fury combined with all the additional AoE work out okay? I ask because I got an idea for a stupid concept, and that melee set would be a perfect fit.

However, since this is just a farm character, if Staff is awful for that purpose, I'm willing to go back to the drawing board.

I've never tried farming with a staff, but one of the limitations of it compared to rad/ would be the lack of a damage aura and the lack of a true Build Up. The Build Up limitation is remedied (at least partially) by Staff Mastery, but the second damage aura is one of the bigger benefits of rad/ and spines/.

Ruby Prism
Aug 7, 2011

With this, I'll be able to make the ultimate pie!
Ah that's unfortunate... but having three damage auras does seem like it would make things way smoother, huh?

Thanks!

JohnnyDangerously
Aug 3, 2007
Disgruntled
So, I'm on the server (yay!) but I could use some guidance. I never got above lvl 25 on the live game, so I'm not exactly sure what to do, especially since I have lvl boosts in the backpocket. If I made a class that relied on groups, like a defender, would I be able to find groups leveling up from 1? Or should I just pop the boost and get in the end game?

Variable Haircut
Jan 25, 2012

Sophism posted:

Ah that's unfortunate... but having three damage auras does seem like it would make things way smoother, huh?

Thanks!

I like my Rad/Fire AE farmer. Fire handles most of the utility and minion murdering, the rad aura just adds gravy for the murdering. Everything else in the primary is for nuking bosses and LTs, which could be filled by any other primary.

What I'm trying to say, poorly, is that x/fire should be able to farm those fire based AE maps well enough to fund alts. You do you buddy.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

JohnnyDangerously posted:

So, I'm on the server (yay!) but I could use some guidance. I never got above lvl 25 on the live game, so I'm not exactly sure what to do, especially since I have lvl boosts in the backpocket. If I made a class that relied on groups, like a defender, would I be able to find groups leveling up from 1? Or should I just pop the boost and get in the end game?

Absolutely. Most teams won't care what level you are so long as you have a travel power and maybe some enhancements at the higher end. Missions scale to your level, and you can scale them to -1, so Defenders shouldn't struggle soloing, either, given their attack secondary. I think the only class that's painful to solo with at low levels is the controller, and even then there are some builds that do okay.

If you've got some familiarity with the game already, you might just want to form a team for death from below and do a run or two of that to get yourself somewhere between level 8-12; it's one of the fastest ways to clear the early game levels and it's made for teaming. Just don't stay there forever because the XP tails off harshly after a while, and also you'll be locked out of most of your powers.

Honestly, the only real issue with teaming in this game is that it's often hard to follow along with the plot on arcs, and the way reward merits work unduly rewards doing your own arcs, but even then there's content that gets around that like Taskforces (which start at level 10).

Thundarr
Dec 24, 2002


Even travel powers are negotiable once you know your way around. Sprint, Ninja Run, and Jump Pack will get you nearly anywhere at a good pace. Bring a flight temp power if you visit the Shadow Shard though.

LordSaturn
Aug 12, 2007

sadly unfunny

JohnnyDangerously posted:

So, I'm on the server (yay!) but I could use some guidance. I never got above lvl 25 on the live game, so I'm not exactly sure what to do, especially since I have lvl boosts in the backpocket. If I made a class that relied on groups, like a defender, would I be able to find groups leveling up from 1? Or should I just pop the boost and get in the end game?

Before level 15 or so, leveling groups are just a couple of clicks away, via the LFG tab of the chat window. Either get invited to a dfb group or get one going or just hop in the queue solo. After about three runs of maybe 10 minutes each, you'll be around level 16, which is enough to start bugging goons about running Positron 1.

Or you can just join most of the leveling groups that goons run at any level you want, since you'll just autoscale to their level. You'll be a little useless, but aren't we all?

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Thundarr posted:

Even travel powers are negotiable once you know your way around. Sprint, Ninja Run, and Jump Pack will get you nearly anywhere at a good pace. Bring a flight temp power if you visit the Shadow Shard though.

Yeah, but A: in the context of being back to the game after years you don't remember fast routes or how to move through the 3D environment intuitively, and B: a lot of groups will ask for things like "Any level, must have travel power".

HPanda
Sep 5, 2008
Hover can be a travel power if you slot it enough :-P

No joke, pretty sure I had it running at base flight speed back on live.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

Forget your RoboCoX or your StickyCoX or your EvilCoX, MY CoX has Blinking Bewbs!

WHY IS THIS GAME DEAD?!

JohnnyDangerously posted:

So, I'm on the server (yay!) but I could use some guidance. I never got above lvl 25 on the live game, so I'm not exactly sure what to do, especially since I have lvl boosts in the backpocket. If I made a class that relied on groups, like a defender, would I be able to find groups leveling up from 1? Or should I just pop the boost and get in the end game?

If you want to team, roll a fender that's either emp or kin, the secondary doesn't matter. The former will get you teamage with publords who have just emigrated from other MMORPGs and are brainwashed into thinking that every team must have a heal0r. The latter will get you on teams with ex-CoH who know that a kin turns any team into a runaway steamroller of mayhem.

Grab Siphon Power, Speed Boost, increase Density, and (eventually) Fulcrum Shift. That's all it takes.

EDIT: also grab the power that reloads your team's END, I forget the name. A kin with those five powers can take literally nothing else and still rock the house.

Gynovore fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Jun 17, 2019

Soonmot
Dec 19, 2002

Entrapta fucking loves robots




Grimey Drawer
/chanjoin goonsquad

Goon groups aren't gonna give a poo poo if you don't have a travel power. Use those temp powers.

Deadmeat5150
Nov 21, 2005

OLD MAN YELLS AT CLAN
OMG the quirks in building a base are so irritating, like randomly teleporting to the other side of the room or when using ctrl+lclick to move an object on the X-axis it suddenly farts off in a random direction.

Im mostly doing this because A) Im avoiding trying to slot IO sets because I have no idea how they work and B) Im avoiding finishing my AE arc because I wrote myself into a corner.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Gynovore posted:

If you want to team, roll a fender that's either emp or kin, the secondary doesn't matter. The former will get you teamage with publords who have just emigrated from other MMORPGs and are brainwashed into thinking that every team must have a heal0r. The latter will get you on teams with ex-CoH who know that a kin turns any team into a runaway steamroller of mayhem.

Grab Siphon Power, Speed Boost, increase Density, and (eventually) Fulcrum Shift. That's all it takes.

EDIT: also grab the power that reloads your team's END, I forget the name. A kin with those five powers can take literally nothing else and still rock the house.

Literally the only dud in Kin is repel, you want Transfusion because -regen helps you kill AVs and it's never bad to have a good AOE heal, and you want inertial reduction because it's hilarious and also covers you for a travel power I guess but mostly to just see an entire team of people pogoing across IP.

Repel's a really expensive PBAOE KB effect that will chug end like mad and push things that you could be getting buffs off away from you. It's baaaad. You could skip IR but if you don't need anything in particular it's a decent filler given it only needs it's starting slot, and even then only if you REALLY want.

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Merilan
Mar 7, 2019

could you make Repel great by slotting KB to KD on it

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