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Peanut President posted:loving WHAT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_episode_of_The_Colbert_Report#Cameos Keith Olbermann Senator Cory Booker (D-NJ) Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, Army Chief of Staff Paul Krugman, economist Steven Pinker, psychology 
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Jun 15, 2019 03:29
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I guess "just now" is remembering https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1139661226181562368
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Jun 15, 2019 03:35
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Scalia was one of the justices who voted in favor of it being legal to burn the flag rip comrade scalia
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Jun 15, 2019 03:42
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The Chafeementum continues to grow, now in Libertarian form! https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/r...JS7N/story.html quote:PROVIDENCE — Lincoln D. Chafee, the Republican-turned-independent-turned-Democrat who served as Rhode Island’s governor and as a US senator, is now a member of the Libertarian Party.
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Jun 15, 2019 04:14
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A Handed Missus posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_episode_of_The_Colbert_Report#Cameos It was more a reaction to Huckabee (?), Kissinger, & Cookie Monster but sure
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Jun 15, 2019 06:54
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LGD posted:I guess "just now" is remembering This is so funny
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Jun 15, 2019 07:18
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Well Jon Stewart, television host, host of The Daily Show Randy Newman, musician (on piano) Jeff Daniels, actor Sam Waterston, actor Keith Olbermann, sports and political commentator David Remnick, journalist Tom Brokaw, news anchor Katie Couric, journalist Charlie Rose, television host Ken Burns, documentary film director Lil Buck, dancer Ric Ocasek, musician David Hallberg, ballet dancer Trevor Potter, political figure, legal counsel for Colbert Super PAC Senator Cory Booker (D-NJ) Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) Bryan Cranston, actor Tim Meadows, actor (portrayer of P.K. Winsome) (SNL Alumni) Alexi Lalas, soccer player Jonathan Batiste, musician (would go on to be Colbert's bandleader on The Late Show) Cookie Monster, character from Sesame Street Big Bird, character from Sesame Street James Franco, actor George Saunders, author Dean Kamen, entrepreneur Toby Keith, musician Lesley Stahl, journalist Jake Tapper, journalist Jeffrey Toobin, lawyer, legal analyst Neil DeGrasse Tyson, astrophysicist Peter Frampton, musician Andy Cohen, television personality Christiane Amanpour, journalist Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, Army Chief of Staff Grover Norquist, political figure David Gregory, journalist Willie Nelson, musician Doris Kearns Goodwin, historian Matt Taibbi, journalist Bing West, author Brian Greene, theoretical physicist Mandy Patinkin, actor Cyndi Lauper, musician Yo-Yo Ma, cellist Andrew Young, politician Andrew Sullivan, blogger Michael Stipe, musician Francis Collins, physician-geneticist Samantha Power, US Ambassador to the United Nations Kareem Abdul Jabar, former NBA player Barry Manilow, musician Mayor Bill de Blasio (D-NY) Jeff Tweedy, musician Patrick Stewart, actor Stone Phillips, television reporter (first guest) Joe Quesada, comic book editor Cass Sunstein, legal scholar Arianna Huffington, columnist Garrett Reisman, astronaut Jimmy Wales, co-founder of Wikipedia Maureen Dowd, columnist Richard Clarke, counter-terrorism expert/analyst Alan Alda, actor George Lucas, film director Henry Kissinger, diplomat Mark Hamill, actor Elijah Wood, actor Terry Gross, NPR host Norm Ornstein, political scientist Jim Cramer, television personality Ed Viesturs, corporate speaker Shepard Fairey, street artist Emily Bazelon, journalist David Leonhardt, journalist Bo Dietl, former detective Mike Huckabee (R-AR), politician, former Governor (Who Made Huckabee?) Robert Pinsky, poet Gloria Steinem, feminist intellectual Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC) Bob Costas, sportscaster Nate Silver, writer Dan Savage, gay rights activist Eliot Spitzer (D-NY), politician, former Governor Thomas Friedman, journalist Mark Cuban, businessman Paul Krugman, economist Steven Pinker, psychology Jim Martin, Jesuit priest Jonathan Alter, journalist Pussy Riot, musicians (taped) Vince Gilligan, television creator (taped) Bill Clinton, 42nd President of the United States (taped) J. J. Abrams, film director (taped) U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan (taped) Staff members outside of Studio (taped) Tek Jansen, The Colbert Report character (animated) Esteban Colberto, The Colbert Report character (taped) Terry W. Virts, astronaut (taped on COLBERT) Evelyn Colbert, Colbert's wife Madeleine Colbert, Colbert's daughter John Colbert, Colbert's son Peter Colbert, Colbert's son Smaug, character from The Hobbit film series (CGI) Alex Trebek, television host Are all cancelled if they weren't already.
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Jun 15, 2019 14:47
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:I will never get tired of these Ted Cruz is Flowey? Any one of thes eman could have killed Kissinger and didn't. For shame.
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Jun 15, 2019 16:20
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MonsieurChoc posted:Ted Cruz is Flowey? That implies he once had the capacity to care about others and might yet develop it again.
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Jun 15, 2019 17:30
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MaxieSatan posted:That implies he once had the capacity to care about others and might yet develop it again. You're right, he's grown-up Chara (fan interpretation).
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Jun 15, 2019 17:33
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Jun 15, 2019 18:56
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Jun 15, 2019 19:02
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Jun 15, 2019 19:42
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MonsieurChoc posted:You're right, he's grown-up Chara (fan interpretation). I don't see how he's going to gain the extra height at his age to become a giant defenseman.
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Jun 15, 2019 19:43
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marktheando posted:Henry Kissinger, diplomat
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Red, commanded by retired Marine Corps Lieutenant General Paul K. Van Riper, adopted an asymmetric strategy, in particular, using old methods to evade Blue's sophisticated electronic surveillance network. Van Riper used motorcycle messengers to transmit orders to front-line troops and World-War-II-style light signals to launch airplanes without radio communications. Red received an ultimatum from Blue, essentially a surrender document, demanding a response within 24 hours. Thus warned of Blue's approach, Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue's fleet by the second day of the exercise. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces' electronic sensors and destroyed sixteen warships. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships. An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected. At this point, the exercise was suspended, Blue's ships were "re-floated", and the rules of engagement were changed; this was later justified by General Peter Pace as follows: "You kill me in the first day and I sit there for the next 13 days doing nothing, or you put me back to life and you get 13 more days' worth of experiment out of me. Which is a better way to do it?"[1] After the reset, both sides were ordered to follow predetermined plans of action. After the war game was restarted, its participants were forced to follow a script drafted to ensure a Blue Force victory. Among other rules imposed by this script, Red Force was ordered to turn on their anti-aircraft radar in order for them to be destroyed, and was not allowed to shoot down any of the aircraft bringing Blue Force troops ashore.[2] Van Riper also claimed that exercise officials denied him the opportunity to use his own tactics and ideas against Blue Force, and that they also ordered Red Force not to use certain weapons systems against Blue Force and even ordered the location of Red Force units to be revealed.[3] This led to accusations that the war game had turned from an honest, open, free playtest of U.S. war-fighting capabilities into a rigidly controlled and scripted exercise intended to end in an overwhelming U.S. victory,[2] alleging that "$250 million was wasted".[4]
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Jun 16, 2019 00:33
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that story is great after you learn that red abused the rules to do a bunch of physically impossible metagaming bullshit. that fleet was sunk by fishing boats which had cruise missiles larger than the boats themselves mounted on them, because it wasn't specifically forbidden by the rules. van riper was essentially wasting everyone's time and a great deal of money to throw an extended tantrum and it owns.
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Jun 16, 2019 01:39
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:that story is great after you learn that red abused the rules to do a bunch of physically impossible metagaming bullshit. that fleet was sunk by fishing boats which had cruise missiles larger than the boats themselves mounted on them, because it wasn't specifically forbidden by the rules. van riper was essentially wasting everyone's time and a great deal of money to throw an extended tantrum and it owns. I mean, it's a great demonstration of the fact that those wargames are based on completely stupid rules that don't reflect reality sufficiently to be a meaningful simulation of anything. Normally that gets ignored because those rules are just intended to produce a predetermined result for masturbatory purposes. The time and money were wasted no matter what anyone involved did during the actual trials.
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Jun 16, 2019 04:36
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I don't think putting rules like "we aren't gonna track every tiny civilian boat because it would be an insane logistical nightmare" is really a bad abstraction, unless one player is being a rules lawyer and saying "we don't track them" means "they are invisible"
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Jun 16, 2019 06:36
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The rules were sound, but Ripper ignored them because he had a chip on his shoulder over not getting one last promotion before retirement. His whole "we adopted an asymmetric strategy, actually" was bullshit that he made up after the fact. The whole purpose of the exercise was to model the effects of new electronic communications and intelligence. But Ripper refused to route his electronic messages through the simulation center, and instead just told his guys what to do directly. His justification that "he used bike messengers" made no sense, because his messages were getting to their destination instantly, and with better precision than even the electronically transmitted communications of his enemy, whose transmissions were partially scrambled by the simulation team, as per the exercise design. THis also prohibited Blue from using their intelligence gathering techniques, because Red was not feeding the system with any data, and this being an exercise with a limited scope, Blue couldn't have just conducted conventional physical recon instead. That is just one example of his decision to gently caress every other participant of the exercise over, the others were various versions of "na-ah, you missed!" and "you are totally dead, I hit you according to my private calculations that you aren't allowed to see" or "I definitely have a fleet of million torpedo boats, why, didn't you get the memo?" Restarting the whole thing was the only way to salvage some value. steinrokkan has issued a correction as of 10:36 on Jun 16, 2019 |
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Agnostalgia posted:I mean, it's a great demonstration of the fact that those wargames are based on completely stupid rules that don't reflect reality sufficiently to be a meaningful simulation of anything. Normally that gets ignored because those rules are just intended to produce a predetermined result for masturbatory purposes. The time and money were wasted no matter what anyone involved did during the actual trials. Not really because the effect wasn't contingent on the outcome, it was to provisde analysis of how the military handles information processing. In which it was purposefully frustrated by Ripper's decision not to share any information. The point wasn't to sink fake ships.
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Jun 16, 2019 10:37
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Seems like Ripper is a cool dude either way.
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Jun 16, 2019 19:30
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considering those war games are The Entire US Armed Forces versus a much smaller force I'd cheat too
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Jun 16, 2019 21:35
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sean spicer swallows 35 pieces of gum a day
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Jun 17, 2019 03:25
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Peanut President posted:It was more a reaction to Huckabee (?), Kissinger, & Cookie Monster but sure During the 2007-2008 Writer's Strike, Colbert, Jon Stewart, and Conan Obrien had a fake feud where they each took credit for Huckabee's popularity in that year's primary so they could have content without needing writers. quote:Who Made Huckabee?, also known as the Colbert/O'Brien/Stewart feud, refers to a mock rivalry that occurred among late night talk show hosts Stephen Colbert, Conan O'Brien and Jon Stewart in early 2008, reportedly over who was responsible for then–presidential candidate Mike Huckabee's success in the presidential primaries.[1] lol e: quote:Reaction to the "feud" by both the public and the media was, and still is, nearly uniformly positive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Made_Huckabee%3F
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Jun 17, 2019 04:53
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that's the lamest goddamn thing ever
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Jun 17, 2019 05:01
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Peanut President posted:that's the lamest goddamn thing ever Counterpoint: Hillary Clinton
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Jun 17, 2019 05:30
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Counterpoint: Hillary Clinton never heard of anybody trying to take credit for making her
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okay so van riper was a fake oval office, but bolton and co are still loving dumbasses for pressing conventional conflict with iran i feel like i heard felix say this on an episode of chapo, but as soon as the U.S. deploys boots whats stopping some highly trained quds force guys from buying a plane ticket to the continental U.S. to blow up a bunch of soft targets that the FBI cant even protect from feckless chuds like the tsarnaev brothers
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Jun 17, 2019 06:21
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Takanago posted:During the 2007-2008 Writer's Strike, Colbert, Jon Stewart, and Conan Obrien had a fake feud where they each took credit for Huckabee's popularity in that year's primary so they could have content without needing writers. thats insanely epic lol, i remember talk show hosts growing beards in "solidarity" with their writers and thinking hey, another way to do that is to join them on the picket line
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In 1997 NBC aired Schindler's List unedited and without commercials. Tom Coburn, the Republican Oklahoma congressman, said that by doing this. NBC had brought television "to an all-time low, with full-frontal nudity, violence and profanity. It's an insult to decent-minded individuals everywhere". He added that airing film was "irresponsible sexual behavior". Literally everyone called him a stupid prick, so he had to take it back a little: "My intentions were good, but I've obviously made an error in judgment in how I've gone about saying what I wanted to say." . Yeah no poo poo. Necrothatcher has issued a correction as of 13:06 on Jun 17, 2019 |
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Scalia was one of the justices who voted in favor of it being legal to burn the flag How did that whole shitshow come about? When rage against the machine started burning flags on stage back in the 90's? Or was it some focus grouped culture war bullshit that they used to take the house in '94? Also, the wargames thing is funny because any actual threat to a military operation is going to come from something you don't expect -- every battle plan goes out the window when you make contact with the enemy. Whoever you are opposing is going to "rules lawyer" the situation and exploit some technicality that you overlook in order to fight back, because there is no way you can fight a conventional war against the US military because you would get crushed hard. So yeah, if you want an actual appraisal of how well (or not well) you will do in that situation, you probably want to hire on a guy who would be the only one to recognize that the enemy's gate is down. Feldegast42 has issued a correction as of 17:20 on Jun 17, 2019 |
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Jun 17, 2019 17:12
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Feldegast42 posted:
Could be but I still doubt that they would have teleporting or faster than light motorcycle couriers.
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just remembered that every time general riper gets brought up a bunch of goons well-actuallys into the thread and this even occurs in c-spam. like they're actually defending the navys honor instead of laughing at the boondoggle of an exercise lmao
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Fish of hemp posted:Could be but I still doubt that they would have teleporting or faster than light motorcycle couriers. this is why the us army always loses to aliens in movies
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Jun 17, 2019 19:51
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Using motorcycles as RKKVs is probably illegal. Or copyright infringement.
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Feldegast42 posted:How did that whole shitshow come about? When rage against the machine started burning flags on stage back in the 90's? Or was it some focus grouped culture war bullshit that they used to take the house in '94? This was just in the paper this weekend, check out this badass https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/14/us/flag-burning-cleveland.html quote:After Cleveland police officers arrested Gregory L. Johnson in 2016 as he burned an American flag outside the Republican National Convention, Mr. Johnson sued the city, saying the officers had violated his First Amendment rights.
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Lol he's in Chairman Bob's party Remember when they called for a protest and infowars psychos decided ANTIFA was going to overthrow the government
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Feldegast42 posted:How did that whole shitshow come about? When rage against the machine started burning flags on stage back in the 90's? Or was it some focus grouped culture war bullshit that they used to take the house in '94? It goes back earlier than that. The Supreme Court ruled in 1989 that banning flag burning as a form of protest was unconstitutional and affirmed the decision in 1990. A bunch of culture warriors wanted a constitutional amendment to ban flag burning in the 90s, but it was not something that was ever really gonna happen. I have always understood, absent any real evidence mind you, that it was something that the news media got people riled up about in the 1980s by broadcasting anti-America protests from the 1970s to 1980s from overseas where they burned the American flag, and when folks realized that it pissed off pretty much every politician, it happened sporadically in the US when someone wanted to do something really transgressive.
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