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AnAnonymousIdiot posted:Congrats on the new Empire! Hope this means China is in your sights. How does this work mechanically since China is an off-map entity?
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Akratic Method posted:How does this work mechanically since China is an off-map entity? You can declare war on China via their diplomacy screen, and they'll send in a Mongol-level invasion to gently caress you up. If you beat them, your dynasty gets the Chinese throne, among other goodies.
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Jun 11, 2019 19:40
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While you're fighting off the invasion you also take a massive levies debuff to represent the majority of your army being in china, too.
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Jun 11, 2019 19:42
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:You can declare war on China via their diplomacy screen, and they'll send in a Mongol-level invasion to gently caress you up. If you beat them, your dynasty gets the Chinese throne, among other goodies.
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:You can declare war on China via their diplomacy screen, and they'll send in a Mongol-level invasion to gently caress you up. If you beat them, your dynasty gets the Chinese throne, among other goodies. So is having that just a big pile of +X prestige, +Y income bonuses or do you start actually receiving events for all the other countries' "send tribute, request protection" etc diplomatic China options? I can see why they might not bother to flesh it out if it's something you could only achieve by basically gaming the system but it might be a cool goal if the mechanics of ruling China are interesting enough to show.
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Jun 12, 2019 10:53
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I don't think you get the exact mechanics, but you do get some boons. If you win, you get to pick which of your dynasty members go on the throne, you get some absurd amount of Grace and Silk Road income bosts, and you get all the land of the Western Protectorate and several high-quality artifacts. I think it also has an effect in the EU4 conversion too but I haven't tried that yet.
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Chapter 7: 922 to 930 - Tsenmo Purgyal Gyalyum 'Knuckle-Slammer' Look to the law and do not hesitate, for there is nothing more beneficial to a lord than a war that is lawful. -The History of Jin, The Biography of Gyelmo Purgyal Gyalyum of Tubo   At a late night banquet, Gyalyum is told of a great beast that terrorizes the peasants and kills their animals. Although she is now in her forties and not lacking for any responsibilities, she announces to all that she will find and kill the beast herself. She makes an offering, takes one of her most trusted guards, and heads out to the spring countryside.  They don't have to travel long before finding upon a shepherd angry and desperate after the death of his goat. The beak and talon marks along its face and eyes make it obvious this was done by some kind of large bird.  They find the beast. To Gyalyum's horror, she recognizes the bird - a hunting falcon that escaped several months ago after its owner died in the last war with the Pratiharas. It is a frail and weakened thing, with feathers molting and a clouded eye, but in its weakened elegance evoking the majesty of what it once was. She draws her sword.  In one motion, she cuts the bird's left wing, and it lets out a wounded cry, clawing at her arms and face. She bats it away with her arms, steps back, and hurls a spear through its chest as it tries desperately to fly away. All this in the space of a few seconds. She steps over to look at the dead bird and wipes her face with a rough cloth. She finds herself thinking about the dead warrior and holds the cloth over her face for a few seconds while she collects herself and holds her wavering breaths. "Don't let them know it was like this," she said. "Tell them something else." And that is how legends are made.   When she returns to court, she embarks on the tasks of peacetime rule. The legal authority of the Empire was defunct after the years of civil war, and so her task was to reform and simplify the bodies of law. This effort was to be accomplished at great expense - the hiring of scribes to reproduce legal texts from the old Tang and India, and the production of paper and woodblocks.   Gyalyum continues her extensive correspondence with Tse - not always for pleasure, sometimes for business. She is particularly concerned about the refusal of the tribes in the far north and in the near south and their refusal to adopt imperial customs. While these rebellions were defeated quickly, raising troops caused a delay in other matters.   After almost two years, it was finished. The Great Tibetan Law, as it is known in foreign scholarship, became a major cornerstone in the Tibetan legal tradition. While it draws from such disparate sources as the Old Tang Code and even a few quotations from Sanskrit texts such as the Artashastra, it largely incorporates and standardizes the customary law of the tribes and supports the previous social strata. Compared to other contemporary legal codes, however, it greatly reduced the number of crimes punishable by death, set standards on the use of force in interrogation by local officials, and greatly reduced the severity and use of such punishments as whippings and mutilation.  And that is how she became known as the Benevolent.   Life became calmer. The lord of the remnants of Kashmir joined the empire peacefully. Her nephew, Palkhorre the Gentle, announced with great joy the birth of a daughter.  One of the petty statelets around the Tarim Basin declared their tributary status to the Jin.  In a gathering with local priests and shrine builders, the Archpriestess Tse publishes several documents on religious law and ethical guidelines. Foremost among these is the formulation of principles of a just and holy war.  This decision did not come spontaneously - news has trickled from the far distant west, west of Baghdad and the Euphrates, of a band of holy pilgrims attacking to reclaim their distant homeland. Granted, we knew very little of this, or ever where their home even is, but the incident has been related with such detail and from so many different travelers that our religious leadership had to assume its credibility.  In a few weeks, this is followed by the announcement of a Great Holy War against the Pratihara, with the intent of seizing their capital of Mahodaya and much of the surrounding territory. Gyalyum, who had at this point recovered from the symptoms of stress, privately greeted the news with trepidation and shock. Tse has not changed at all - she is still the same kind, brave, honest woman that Gyalyum fell in love with. She is quite sincere about all of this. They touch foreheads, and Gyalyum whispers her goodbyes and promises to return.  The Jin muddle through more strife and turmoil.   The army masses at Lumbini, the site of the Buddha's enlightenment, and heads south.  Retiring in the evening, someone leaves a copy of Buddhist scriptures on her bedding. Gyalyum does not read it, but instead becomes more paranoid that anyone could kill her in her sleep.   Gyalyum continues her favorite tactic - relentless attack, fearing no death. The Pratihara is soon in full retreat, though much of the army on her left has withdrawn.   She finds and kills the head of a Jurchen mercenary company.  A bloody victory, but a victory against a much larger army nonetheless.  The major city of Shravasti soon falls.  The armies soon clash outside the city of Lakhnau.    The Pratihara army is dismantled at their strongest point, and soon the rest scatter and flee.  After a siege, their capital falls. But still the rest fight on.   The army is pursued, and fights again outside the town of Lahar.  Victory.    More victory.  More victory. Unthinking relentless victory. Everything here is blessed.   Returning heathen cities to piles of stone. Returning heathen bodies to the earth. The gods smile.   Victory. The annihilation of the heathen and the dismemberment of their kingdom.  The land all goes to a distant relative. It is accomplished.  We hear stories that the shepherds' crusade has failed. Truly we were the ones blessed.  
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It looks like Tibet is going to holy war India for god and its benevolent punch-empress.
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Jun 13, 2019 01:06
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Hope China doesn't come knocking. This is why we should knock first.
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AnAnonymousIdiot posted:Hope China doesn't come knocking. This is why we should knock first. we have a peace treaty with china that should last at least another 13 years unless the dynasty falls. China will not take hostile actions against us during this time.
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Jun 13, 2019 04:25
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This is why we needed the Bloodthirsty Gods facet—so we could become even more of a monster in the dueling ring. Also because sacrificing people is fun and gives us some pretty sweet stat bonuses. Any Personal Combat scores sub eighty (or really, sub ninety) are rookie numbers. HereticMIND fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Jun 13, 2019 |
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HereticMIND posted:This is why we needed the Bloodthirsty Gods facet—so we could become even more of a monster in the dueling ring. Also because sacrificing people is fun and gives us some pretty sweet stat bonuses. With the sacrificing we've been doing before, it would've seemed fitting to take Bloodthirsty Gods an integrate it into our system.
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Jun 13, 2019 12:57
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AtomikKrab posted:we have a peace treaty with china that should last at least another 13 years unless the dynasty falls. China will not take hostile actions against us during this time. Also, the current dynasty has been constantly wracked by rebellion and famine. They've managed to wage, like... Two wars. I don't think we need to worry too much right now.
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Re: China, I need 300 holdings to invade and for them to be at peace or a golden age. I have 210 holdings after the holy war for Kosala and they're in a state of unrest right now
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Jun 13, 2019 17:33
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Sounds like you have plenty of time to conquer India then.
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Technowolf posted:Sounds like you have plenty of time to conquer India then. Or build holdings within owned territory. Either one will work well enough. Tibet automatically fills the last requirement Border the eastern edge of the map or the western protectorate
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Jun 14, 2019 01:19
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Conquering China is fyi probably the hardest thing in the game to do, it requires hella hit and run tactics, and you have to be able to fight them somewhere outside of Tibet or else you'll never have the supply limits you need.
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Kangxi posted:Re: China, I need 300 holdings to invade and for them to be at peace or a golden age. I have 210 holdings after the holy war for Kosala and they're in a state of unrest right now How many of those holding are actually in Kosala?
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Rody One Half posted:Conquering China is fyi probably the hardest thing in the game to do, it requires hella hit and run tactics, and you have to be able to fight them somewhere outside of Tibet or else you'll never have the supply limits you need. China gets magic attrition proof event soldiers also, right?
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Jun 14, 2019 17:27
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wiegieman posted:China gets magic attrition proof event soldiers also, right? Yeah. The key thing is their warscore from occupation has a hardcap, 50 I think, so you can, and need to, hang back and let them spread out.
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Amhazair posted:How many of those holding are actually in Kosala? As of 950, 59 of my 251 holdings are in Kosala wiegieman posted:China gets magic attrition proof event soldiers also, right? Yup. I have beaten them once before (in a different game), but that happened when they split their 150k-200k army into stacks of about 30k or so for sieges. With Gyalyum's absurdly high martial, Tibet can raise about 20k in total Kangxi fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Jun 14, 2019 |
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Chapter 8: 930 to 946 - Tsenmo Purgyal Gyalyum 'the Benevolent' "Why did they invade us, O empress?" "They feel rage." "Why do they feel rage?" "Because without it they have nothing." "Do you feel rage, O empress?" "Yes. With rage transformed and directed into action, with rage as a unifying force, I have everything." -The Life of Gyalyum [嘉榮傳], by Nie Cui [ 聂璀 ], c. 945 The first few years of the 930s are a time of peace and recovery.   Scars heal.    Towns and villages grow. Shelters and beds for the sick. Food for the starving.  Gyalyum hears of a great center of learning from the days of the old Tang, and orders that Lhasa shall have one of its own.   The peasantry has never had it so good in years.  Gyalyum amuses herself by teaching the younger warriors how to really hold a sword.    Merchant caravans ply their wares along the southern branch of the Silk Road. Gyalyum is given a eunuch as a gift, a man who still calls himself a Roman. He is soon plied for any information about his distant homeland.   The Jin Dynasty, plagued by constant rebellions and unrest, collapses into an all-out civil war between different factions of the ruling Jin dynasty - a squabble over too many siblings and not enough inheritance to go around - only one throne for the lot. Streams of refugees make their way to the west.  Though Gyalyum is tempted by the thought of seizing the Jin throne, she cannot abrogate her sworn treaty with the Jin, nor is her army big enough to even consider it.  But this cannot do. The work is exhausting and repetitive. At times she wonders how she ever was surrounded by all this paper. The old fires of ambition still smolder within her.  Defending the empire from nomadic hordes is one thing, but that is not enough for her.   The relative she installed as her vassal-king of Kosala had been poisoned by a petty lord. Cannot these people even attempt to stay still and do their duty?  An upstart, some distant relative to the former Licchavi king of Nepal, has announced his claim on all of Ü-Tsang, claiming his family has been done wrong and that he shall have his justice.    He dies like all the others.  Gyalyum is praised and honored by the warriors around her for her achievements. Praise does not stifle the envy of others. Praise does not quench ambition and the need for more.   The Jin Civil War has come to a close, with the rebels defeated and fleeing. A band of Jurchens allied to General Hubošu, the defeated rebel against the Suzong Empress, flee to the west, thinking they can carve out a new homeland for themselves in Tibet.  At the same time, the sister of the failed Licchavi invader has taken up his banner and rallied his army for justice.  Even worse, Buddhist rebels had seized their opportunity and started a mass rebellion in and around Derge.   First, Gyalyum sends her army against the Jurchens - their massed cavalry could cause trouble if they are not defeated quickly.  Second, the Buddhist rebels. They are less of a threat because they are not an army so much as a mass of peasants with pitchforks. But rebellion cannot be allowed to spread.  In a moment, she fears that one of her closest warriors, a friend from the early days against Ösrung II. It is only a brief worry, and yet Gyalyum is animated with rage.  They, too, are defeated.  When the exiled royal returns, Gyalyum is ready.  The largest army yet first bolts for the old castle at Taktsé, but the armies then meet at Comai.   They fight as if they do not fear death.  Victory. But not yet a total one. Gyalyum wonders if there are no other family members left to seek further revenge.  The Jurchen rebels, having made their way further south, have attacked our vassals in Kamarupa. We come to their aid.   We send an army to aid them at Kamarupanagara. We score a victory, but not a complete victory.  The Buddhists rise up again, this time near Kathmandu.   As the local militias cannot hope to defeat them, we have to rush the army over from Kamarupa.  Then back east to destroy the rebel Jurchens. And that is how peace was restored and the invaders were destroyed.  In the late 630s, Tse was given additional responsibilities as her Lönchen - primarily in charge of diplomacy and relations with foreign kingdoms and tribes. It would have been favoritism had she not been a graceful and studious diplomat, but as she was, Gyalyum was free to do it and brush aside objections.  The Jin dynasty once again falls into chaos, this time with a peasant rebellion at Xijing.  With peace on all sides, for now, Gyalyum immediately thinks about further expansion of the empire against the Sogdian lords of Kabul. Her next targets are an ancient stone fortress along the Silk Road and the crucial mountain passes at Pamir. This has the added benefit of a land connection to the exclave at Kashgar.   Easy work.  After this, a war against the Tengri chief in Kashgar, which controls the very west of the Tarim Basin, from Aksu to Yopurga. This area was at one point all part of the Tang, and this lord had once sought the protection of the Jin. Now is the time to strike.   Rain. A suspicious omen. Gyalyum goes forth anyway and leads her troops. To not do so, even at her age, is unthinkable.    Like hunting pheasants.  It is around this time that the first 'complete' written records of her life are recorded. The "Life of Jia-Rong" was written by the Jin exile Nie Cui in or around 945. This source, which survives in a valuable dual-language edition of Middle Chinese and Classical Tibetan, is one of the earliest sources of the life of Gyalyum, her personal habits and relationship with Tse, and also the only extant source on the life of her grandfather, Yumtan. The text also differs substantially from many of the oral traditions that surround the life of Gyalyum that will be detailed later.   After the lord of Kashgar is defeated, she moves on to Yarkand, which the Tang called Shache. Victory.  Back to Lhasa. Gyalyum feels as though she could do this for decades, and continues to push herself further. Yet Tse convinces her to back down at times, to find some moment of peace. They are each others' refuge. If it wasn't for her, she might have been far more wretched or filled with rage.  The world is calm here. Even the Jin are at peace. And all shall be well and all shall be well and all manner of thing shall be well.
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How's our punch-empresses dynasty doing overall?
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Awesome read so far! What are your priorities when it comes to infrastructure expansion? Or that just on an as-is basis?
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AtomikKrab posted:How's our punch-empresses dynasty doing overall? We have 47 living members in total. Gyalyum's heir is her one surviving nephew, Palkhorre. He has 7 kids. Looking for anybody in particular? wedgekree posted:Awesome read so far! What are your priorities when it comes to infrastructure expansion? Or that just on an as-is basis? Mostly Gyalyum's own holdings and trade posts, but also building up the tribal areas so they'll move to a feudal government more quickly. Tse's own vassals also got priority.
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Kangxi posted:We have 47 living members in total. Gyalyum's heir is her one surviving nephew, Palkhorre. He has 7 kids. Looking for anybody in particular? Nope, just wondering what with all the kin-murder going on how it was all doing.
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Am I correct in saying her bloodline won’t be passed down to the nephew? Which would be rather unfortunate, given the costs for that particular bloodline.
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Caught up, an excellent read so far. The tale of the Empress and the Archpriestess will be an epic for all time.
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AJ_Impy posted:Caught up, an excellent read so far. The tale of the Empress and the Archpriestess will be an epic for all time. Gyalyum is, without a doubt, going to be an absolutely legendary figure in Tibet and possibly in the surrounding regions as well. Which is going to be darkly funny in a millennium when the local nationalist movement is all "gyalyum was incredibly powerful and also I guess passed some reforms or whatever, also here's a fifty page thesis on why she was STRAIGHT ACTUALLY"
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"Gyalyum and Tse undoubtedly had a strong homosocial bond, but given the differences in cultural context and sexual mores, it's impossible to say for sure that their relationship was sexual in nature. Suggestive phrases in private correspondence such as 'I love you, my lover, with whom alone I share my body' could easily have been early Bon Reformation expressions of spiritual attachment between a sovereign and her religious head..."
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GunnerJ posted:"Gyalyum and Tse undoubtedly had a strong homosocial bond, but given the differences in cultural context and sexual mores, it's impossible to say for sure that their relationship was sexual in nature. Suggestive phrases in private correspondence such as 'I love you, my lover, with whom alone I share my body' could easily have been early Bon Reformation expressions of spiritual attachment between a sovereign and her religious head..." The Poetry discovered should be understood to be allegorical in demonstrating the Empress's love for the Church and not prurient physical attraction for the High Priestess. The figurative language of these poems fully demonstrates the legal, moral, and ethical principles established by the Bon reformation which wed the state to the church.
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AtomikKrab posted:Nope, just wondering what with all the kin-murder going on how it was all doing. She has killed the most people out of any character in the game so far, more than Harald Fairhair and Basil II of Byzantium combined, but none of them are close relatives. That's the major distinction between her, and, say, Ösrung II of Guge. We can also assume that prohibitions against killing family members are in the legal code. Red John posted:Am I correct in saying her bloodline won't be passed down to the nephew? Which would be rather unfortunate, given the costs for that particular bloodline. Right. She has no kids. The nephew is only getting the one bloodline from their mutual ancestor, Songtsen Gyampo. By the way, I *love* the
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Wait, they are meant to be gay? I thought it was just a subtext thing.
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It's not in the subtext, it's in the text. It's in the images.  They've been the only ones in each others' 'lovers' tab for the past fifty years.
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117 personal combat score at 72. Granny is a loving whirlwind.
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I mean who's to say future Tibetan academia will have an opposition to being gay. Reformed Bon likely embeds no cultural opposition to it, considering its founding figures.
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Can't believe what good friends Gyalyum and Tse are! #besties
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On the positive side maybe "Bön philosophy," "from Lhasa," etc. will be taken up as whimsical early-20th-century euphemisms, e.g. "she went to college for mathematics but learned much more about Bön philosophy"
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Kangxi posted:It's not in the subtext, it's in the text. It's in the images. Finally getting decent Personal Combat numbers. Welcome to the big time, Gyalyum!
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MaxieSatan posted:On the positive side maybe "Bön philosophy," "from Lhasa," etc. will be taken up as whimsical early-20th-century euphemisms, e.g. "she went to college for mathematics but learned much more about Bön philosophy" I can't help but wonder if this means they would be called Lhasabians instead in this timeline.
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