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Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

I liked the recent Citations Needed about vegans and animal rights, but when the second guest started talking about animality and white supremacy being zooilogical I was lost. That interview went from introductory to jargon heavy really quick. Is this what I sound like to people when I talk about Marxism and class conflict without defining my terms first every time?

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Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Atrocious Joe posted:

I liked the recent Citations Needed about vegans and animal rights, but when the second guest started talking about animality and white supremacy being zooilogical I was lost. That interview went from introductory to jargon heavy really quick. Is this what I sound like to people when I talk about Marxism and class conflict without defining my terms first every time?

you could run a quick dumb guy test on the term

zoo + illogical = zooillogical, so it must mean that it defies the natural order

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

I actually think I just misspelled "zoological," which I assume means tracing white supremacy to enlightenment ideas of categorizing the world scientifically. This can then be used to justify exploitation of other "races" on the basis of "scientifically" determined inferiority, Like, I agree with that, but the slave trade and exploitation came before that conception was firmly established, and required the justification as it developed and grew.

But my misspelling may actually be the way the author used it. I don't know. I might actually buy their book now though to find out honestly.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Victory Position posted:

you could run a quick dumb guy test on the term

zoo + illogical = zooillogical, so it must mean that it defies the natural order

The pronunciation difference between "zooillogical" and zoological is so small that whoever came up with and anyone who uses the former is an rear end in a top hat that I feel safe in ignoring forever

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

Atrocious Joe posted:

I liked the recent Citations Needed about vegans and animal rights, but when the second guest started talking about animality and white supremacy being zooilogical I was lost. That interview went from introductory to jargon heavy really quick. Is this what I sound like to people when I talk about Marxism and class conflict without defining my terms first every time?

if you're asking if you're using too much jargon you're probably using too much jargon, it's pretty easy to break Marxist terms down into layman's terms, you should practice if you have trouble with it, or feel free to ask if there's anything specific you have trouble talking about like a working class person, it comes pretty natural to me since I've been poor almost my entire life including currently and working class since I was born

Shakenbaker
Nov 14, 2005



Grimey Drawer

Atrocious Joe posted:

I liked the recent Citations Needed about vegans and animal rights, but when the second guest started talking about animality and white supremacy being zooilogical I was lost. That interview went from introductory to jargon heavy really quick. Is this what I sound like to people when I talk about Marxism and class conflict without defining my terms first every time?

people are fairly receptive until you use the S, C, or M words. the ideas of Marx himself resonate pretty clearly with most normal people, but you fight uphill due to the layers of propaganda that are out there

even if people agree with you, the second you invoke those forbidden words they probably think you're some kind of demon who hates freedom

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Atrocious Joe posted:

I actually think I just misspelled "zoological," which I assume means tracing white supremacy to enlightenment ideas of categorizing the world scientifically. This can then be used to justify exploitation of other "races" on the basis of "scientifically" determined inferiority, Like, I agree with that, but the slave trade and exploitation came before that conception was firmly established, and required the justification as it developed and grew.

But my misspelling may actually be the way the author used it. I don't know. I might actually buy their book now though to find out honestly.

one of the strands that produced white supremacy was applying the new technology of taxonomy to groups of people (ie the invention of race). if that's what they were talking about they sound correct as hell, thanks for the rec op

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos
https://twitter.com/charlesraustin/status/1141771383871086593?s=19

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004

Atrocious Joe posted:

I liked the recent Citations Needed about vegans and animal rights, but when the second guest started talking about animality and white supremacy being zooilogical I was lost. That interview went from introductory to jargon heavy really quick. Is this what I sound like to people when I talk about Marxism and class conflict without defining my terms first every time?

the second interview was a mess, maybe it was an off day for the guest. i really wanted to hear about her work and theories, but instead she just kept talking about talking about her work, her organizing, how people react to it, etc. it was just dropping terms instead of using or explicating them. still really curious, but not encouraging to have to go through a whole book to get even a summary sense of her thesis

the first interview was much better about getting across an introductory summary of their work so you have sense of its structure and scope and where to look further

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos
https://twitter.com/carterforva/status/1142150524332105728?s=19

https://twitter.com/carterforva/status/1142159470367268866?s=19

https://twitter.com/ByYourLogic/status/1142160996133494785?s=19

https://twitter.com/ByYourLogic/status/1142163450967334916?s=19

Shakenbaker
Nov 14, 2005



Grimey Drawer
all of that is incomprehensible

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

a reckoning is surely brewing

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
chapo afraid of real socialists, color me shocked

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

420 Gank Mid posted:

Yeah, even the least charitable interpretation of the millennium challenge exercises leaves you with the result that the USA spent hundreds of millions of dollars on war games against a hypothetical Iran and learned absolutely nothing of value. Which also does not bode well for the US's chances against Iran.

It's this honestly

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004

Taintrunner posted:

chapo afraid of real socialists, color me shocked

otoh lee can get too online

otoh felix is def gonna be the first chapo to turn heel trying to become a slightly bigger d list online celeb

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


on the one hand, it's prob p annoying to have people go follower police on you

on the other hand, who gives a poo poo

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
Lee Carter deserved that

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

in this hand, you see the perils of fame, in which anyone feels entitled to speak with you at any time about any grievance big or small

and in this hand, you'll see a clean and empty palm, because who gives a poo poo

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
the nicest response you should ever give someone trying to follow police you is to block and ignore them

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos
90% it's just a dumb slap fight both will forget about by tomorrow

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
https://twitter.com/carterforva/status/1142255997710475264?s=19

Lee made a big thread about why he doesn't just block people who harass him, in general and specifically about his abusive relationships

Lee continues to be good

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

https://twitter.com/carterforva/status/1142255997710475264?s=19

Lee made a big thread about why he doesn't just block people who harass him, in general and specifically about his abusive relationships

Lee continues to be good

being a rape victim doesn't make you a sacred cow, he was being cringey as poo poo and trying to use his status as the epic socialist state congressmen to get pussy and then followed up by trying to follow police a podcaster because people were making fun of him
he's embarrassing himself and the people associated with him, including the dsa

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
maybe if you signed up to go fight imperial wars of aggression you shouldn't scold people for following problematic people on Twitter, glass houses and all that

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos
praying every night for the deletion of twitter

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Ace of Baes posted:

being a rape victim doesn't make you a sacred cow, he was being cringey as poo poo and trying to use his status as the epic socialist state congressmen to get pussy and then followed up by trying to follow police a podcaster because people were making fun of him
he's embarrassing himself and the people associated with him, including the dsa

okay, please explain how "i'm so glad my divorce against my abuser finalized" is "cringey as poo poo"

"I'm glad my divorce against my abuser went through"

"Bro, you posted cringe, leftism is doomed!"

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

Ace of Baes posted:

maybe if you signed up to go fight imperial wars of aggression you shouldn't scold people for following problematic people on Twitter, glass houses and all that

:ironicat:

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

Peanut President posted:

praying every night for the deletion of twitter

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

WampaLord posted:

okay, please explain how "i'm so glad my divorce against my abuser finalized" is "cringey as poo poo"

"I'm glad my divorce against my abuser went through"

"Bro, you posted cringe, leftism is doomed!"

https://twitter.com/belowzeroIQ/status/1142159243816185856?s=19

https://twitter.com/carterforva/status/1142159470367268866?s=19

https://twitter.com/carterforva/status/1142160562585067520?s=19

follow policing getfiscal and Felix biderman because someone made fun of him for trying to get laid with his status as a politician and a "leader" of the left, it's embarrassing


https://twitter.com/carterforva/status/1142140258773098496?s=19

telling his followers to slide into his dms and gently caress him

the original tweet that led to ppl making fun of him

https://twitter.com/carterforva/status/1142107902498484224?s=19



he sucks dude he is representing the left as somebody who calls himself an explicit socialist and DSA member, this poo poo is embarrassing

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

Peanut President posted:

praying every night for the deletion of twitter

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

I have never follow policed

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Ace of Baes posted:

this poo poo is embarrassing

yes, your posting definitely is

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

imagining what stalin would have been like on Twitter and that may be one of the most cursed thoughts I've ever had

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS


Taintrunner posted:

log off and gently caress off ace

Taintrunner has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Jun 22, 2019

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
I'm a sexual assault survivor, and if I ever ran for office and got elected and tried to use my minor viral twitter fame to gently caress rose emoji girls I hope someone beats my rear end

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

Rosa would have been tolerable, Bukharin would have been a resistance lib, beria would be horny on main, debs would have been the gravel teens.

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
Maybe I'm wrong and it's good for Lee Carter to gently caress his Twitter followers, maybe we'll build the left by all of the Twitter celebs sucking and loving until everyone is a communist

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:

really queer Christmas posted:

imagining what stalin would have been like on Twitter and that may be one of the most cursed thoughts I've ever had

he was basically everything left twitter gets mad about every few days

quote:

Nadezhda first met Stalin as a child [IE 10 YEARS OLD] when her father, Sergei Alliluyev, sheltered him after one of his escapes from Siberian exile during 1911.[2]

After the revolution, Nadezhda worked as a confidential code clerk in Lenin's office. She eschewed fancy dress, makeup, and other trappings that she felt un-befitting for a proper Bolshevik.

The couple married in 1919, when Stalin was already a 40-year-old widower and father of one son

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

this post is embarrassing. the stuff featured in this post is embarrassing, but yours is as well.

please post about podcasts,. thanks!!

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

Finicums Wake posted:

this post is embarrassing. the stuff featured in this post is embarrassing, but yours is as well.

please post about podcasts,. thanks!!

gently caress you cop

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Ansar Santa
Jul 12, 2012

The E1 episode where it's the pl;ane's black box was good

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