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ironlung
Dec 31, 2001

Me shooting 10 strokes over my handicap in our men's league opening tournament... a tradition unlike any other.

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daslog
Dec 10, 2008

#essereFerrari

greatapoc posted:

I had my second ever lesson today and I'm so glad that I did. After my first experience with lessons felt like a colossal waste of money I stumbled across a new place that just opened up with indoor lessons on Flightscope and they were doing 50% off for opening so I figured why not. It was so so good. I've been struggling with a wicked driver slice and iron fade for a while now that I haven't been able to get on top of and he identified my swaying immediately and gave me some things to try.

The first lesson I had was outside with no video or anything so I had no feedback other than the ball flight I observed and what the guy was telling me so I felt like that was a total waste of money. He was basically just showing me what a good swing looks like but not showing me what my faults were. With the Flightscope I was able to see straight away what my path and face angle were and could see the relationship between what I was doing and what flight I was producing.

This whole time I thought this nice little fade I had on my short irons was evidence that I do actually have a good swing it's just a problem with my driver but I was still showing outside-to-in but my club face was slightly open which made it reasonably straight with a small fade. Because I'd never seen myself on video I had no idea just how much my left leg was moving away from the target and how that left me with nowhere to go on the downswing other than outwards. He put a basketball between my knees and made me rotate through the backswing and my god there's muscles being activated I didn't even know I had. I've still got quite a way to go as it feels very tight and foreign but the results I was seeing were exciting especially when I was able to make it go left which I never do.

Video is a huge deal for me too. There are a lot of teaching pros that know what's wrong, but most can't communicate it back to their students effectively.

Agent355
Jul 26, 2011


Went out and played a fantastic (by my standards) front 9, every driver shot was straight and pure down the fairway, hardly topped any iron shots at all, just great golf for a beginner.

Then I got to hole 11 and hit the ground with my driver while trying to tee off and ended up breaking it.

The rest of the 18 went really well for everything except driver shots, I had to use my father's driver and I just could not for the life of me find a swing with the slightly different club. Real disappointed I couldn't have finished out the whole 18 with my own driver because I was in such a good groove.

(the driver is an old refurbished one I got second hand from a client of mine and I'll just go back and get another because he has plenty. It was probably just old and faulty, I wasn't even swinging very hard when it broke.)

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...
For future, don't use someone else's club. Use your next club down. Not for any rules reason but for practical reasons. Your three wood or a hybrid should be something you're getting used to anyway, and you'll likely hit them better than someone else's driver anyway.

Suprfli6
Jul 9, 2008

:shepface:God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title:shepface:

I’m liking my Ping 410 Plus quite a bit. Heavier swingweight than my M2 and it’s helping me with my tempo and length of backswing. Won the longest drive in a tournament Saturday, and on Friday I shot 2 under par with a bogey-bogey finish which would have been my lowest round ever if I had just made pars. Oh well, I’m trending in the right direction after plateauing the last couple years. In the tournament Saturday my putting was atrocious so I think I’m going to start actually lining my putts up and working on hitting the spot I’m aiming at rather than just winging it.

Dr. Capco
May 21, 2007


Pillbug
My 410 plus driver/3w/3h are all staying in the bag for a long time.

AndrewP
Apr 21, 2010

Yesterday’s round was a nice lesson in Mats Aren’t the Same.

Two lessons in and I really feel like I’ve been hitting my irons well and consistently. But it’s all been off mats. Had an amazing warmup at the range and felt confident going in.

It went to hell pretty quickly. I didn’t expect to be great off the tee and permanently stuck my driver in the bag pretty quickly. But I was discouraged at how lovely my irons became. Even my low irons were susceptible to getting topped or chunked or shanked.

Wasn’t all bad - I hit more decent shots than I ever have before on the course, and my distances have become more predictable if I don’t completely duff it. Just lost a lot more balls in the woods than I expected to.

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...
Mats teach bad habits. Fat shots have zero consequences on mats.

edit:

Put together a complete round, finally. Pouring rain on the front from 3 through 9, just slight rain on 1 and 2. 3 ball I'm playing with quit on the tee box on 9. Standing alone on the tee box on 10, it stops raining and never restarts more than a tiny sprinkle. Becomes a perfect, cool day. Greens were holding nicely, but rolling slow, no roll out on tee shots, of course.

I love bad weather golf. My back 9 was just over 1:30, and only that long because I had to play through 2 four balls.

torgeaux fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Jun 19, 2019

Dr. Capco
May 21, 2007


Pillbug
I played like a goblin on the first 5 today with three 3 putts to start the round, one from 4 feet even. Then after the 6th hole I started to play better and only go +7 over on the final 13, one hole being another dumb triple. I probably need to actually warm up a bit before I play instead of finishing my coffee and doing some light stretching before teeing off. I also had 5 up and downs on the back 9 after not being able to buy a putt on the front 9. :wtc:

Daric
Dec 23, 2007

Shawn:
Do you really want to know my process?

Lassiter:
Absolutely.

Shawn:
Well it starts with a holla! and ends with a Creamsicle.
USA Today did a video on my friend Kessler: https://www.usatoday.com/videos/spo...3700099&sfns=mo

Thought it had some pretty good insight into the mindset of a caddie and what the players look for out of them. Kessler is my oldest friend, and I’ve hung out with Patrick a couple of times, but we don’t usually get into work talk when we’re together.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


Some driver porn for yall, a loop of Cameron Champ doing some goddamn insane poo poo while Jeremy Wells talks about it.


His goddamn lag :stare:

Dr. Capco
May 21, 2007


Pillbug
Yeah champ is a freak of nature athlete who also got to grow up hitting on trackman/flightscope as well. A 9.5 degree launch carrying 351 is some GameShark cheatcode poo poo. :stare:

ironlung
Dec 31, 2001

If I tried to fire my hips like that I would wipe it off the planet

Shrapnig
Jan 21, 2005

That poo poo makes my body hurt, I wish I had any kind of flexibility.

AndrewP
Apr 21, 2010

First time ever really keeping an honest score and I shot a 113. Highlights include making a 9 on a par three and losing at least four strokes cause I forgot how to do bunkers.

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...
Keeping an honest score is overrated most of the time, but it is pretty necessary to know how you're doing if you're looking to improve. I bet you're under a hundred pretty quick if you watch some videos, practice a little and even faster if you can get a lesson.

Shrapnig
Jan 21, 2005

Honestly I think keeping an honest score when you’re playing around 100 is more important than when you’re playing around 80. I’ve played with a lot of guys who claim they play in the 80s all the time but they rarely hit a putt inside five feet or take mulligans.

Obviously it depends on who you’re playing with. My dad plays in a golf league where any putt inside the grip is a gimme(meaning from the head of the putter to the grip, not the foot of grip), double par is max, and they can rake and replace any bunker shot. To me that isn’t really golf, it’s their league golf so it’s fair in the league but don’t say you shot X score when you didn’t putt out every hole or improved your lie in bunkers and took a mercy rule triple on that par 3 over water.

I’ll play to those rules if I’m playing with someone or a guest of someone who wants to do that but it’s not my preferred way to play.

To that end, it absolutely infuriates me when you get paired with someone you don’t know and leave a putt to a foot or so and they knock it back to you like “that’s good”. Dude I don’t know you and we didn’t agree on any kind of game beforehand, don’t touch my ball.

AndrewP
Apr 21, 2010

torgeaux posted:

bet you're under a hundred pretty quick if you watch some videos, practice a little and even faster if you can get a lesson.

Ha. I actually have taken a few lessons recently, lots of range time, etc. Honestly that 113 actually represents a tremendous improvement to where I was even a few weeks ago - by far the best round of golf I've ever played.


Shrapnig posted:

Honestly I think keeping an honest score when you’re playing around 100 is more important than when you’re playing around 80. I’ve played with a lot of guys who claim they play in the 80s all the time but they rarely hit a putt inside five feet or take mulligans.


It seems to me that people often don't take the number of penalty strokes they should after losing a ball. If they take any.

Shrapnig
Jan 21, 2005

AndrewP posted:


It seems to me that people often don't take the number of penalty strokes they should after losing a ball. If they take any.

I had totally meant to mention this and then blanked on it. Dunk one in the water off the tee, drop 220 yards up, hitting “2.” Wait, what? You just put yourself in a better position with a drop than me with my shot in play.

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...

Shrapnig posted:

Honestly I think keeping an honest score when you’re playing around 100 is more important than when you’re playing around 80. I’ve played with a lot of guys who claim they play in the 80s all the time but they rarely hit a putt inside five feet or take mulligans.

Obviously it depends on who you’re playing with. My dad plays in a golf league where any putt inside the grip is a gimme(meaning from the head of the putter to the grip, not the foot of grip), double par is max, and they can rake and replace any bunker shot. To me that isn’t really golf, it’s their league golf so it’s fair in the league but don’t say you shot X score when you didn’t putt out every hole or improved your lie in bunkers and took a mercy rule triple on that par 3 over water.

I’ll play to those rules if I’m playing with someone or a guest of someone who wants to do that but it’s not my preferred way to play.

To that end, it absolutely infuriates me when you get paired with someone you don’t know and leave a putt to a foot or so and they knock it back to you like “that’s good”. Dude I don’t know you and we didn’t agree on any kind of game beforehand, don’t touch my ball.

That's my point, too. If you're looking to improve, you have to know how you're actually doing. If you're a decent golfer, and you're not using an official handicap for anything, and you're not competing, it is relatively meaningless.

The give it to 'em putts are so hit or miss. Playing as a single, I have so many putts kicked back to me after a long lag. I try to putt them out after the others are done anyway, but that's just a guess where the ball was normally. I played a round I wasn't keeping score (the round I hit my driving iron on every par 4 and 5) because I knew I was going to have an inflated score. I goofed around on the green, mostly just trying to let the others putt out. One of the older ladies made a few comments about gimmes when I was picking up my ball. She seemed to think it was somehow ok to pickup a ball if it was some arbitrary distance, but not any other putt. None of them are ok, outside the rules of a particular match/competition. 2 inches? Putt it. That's why so many "good" golfers cannot make a 2 footer in a competition...they haven't putted one that distance in years.

But, I don't get mad any more. Playing only as a single, I've gotten so agnostic about most poo poo. Pin in? Ok. Pin out? Ok. Absolute slaves to away golfer always going first? Ok. I don't pick my tees anymore, I just play what the group does. I will correct idiots spouting about the rules who are just wrong, but even then only when it directly deals with my ball or when they're screwing their playing partners.

Shrapnig
Jan 21, 2005

I’m not going to quote your post because it’s another huge wall of text but I think we’re both arguing about how we agree about the same thing.

I rarely play as a single, usually it’s myself and one other friend when we get paired up with another twosome and inevitably one of the strangers makes a joke about us not letting the guy pick up a gimme. Usually that happens in the first couple holes and then one of us misses a two footer that the other guys would have called good. If I’m on 16 and not making any kind of score I’ll pick up my ball or use my wedge to putt or something along those lines because the round is gone then.

I’m not a great golfer by any stretch but I know that the best round I’ve ever played I hit every single shot from tee to green in that round. I picked a ball out of the cup 18 times.

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...
No, I think we're in exactly the same place, no disagreement.

I miss playing in my regular 4 ball. We played match play, so conceded putts affected individual matches, but we generally putted out anyway for stroke score. $2 per side, no automatic presses, and always played the snake.

For those unfamiliar, the snake was any three putt. It was a separate $3 bet, and if you had a three putt, you owned the snake. Any subsequent three putt by another player took it. If the player who had the snake had another 3 putt, he owed the $3 and the snake started over.

Anybody have any other running matches/bets they routinely play?

ironlung
Dec 31, 2001

So keeping score (the entire point of the game of golf) is overrated and meaningless. Unless you want to improve, then it's very important.

Ok then.

Dr. Capco
May 21, 2007


Pillbug
If you're playing and counting the score towards a handicap, playing for money or a competition then you hole out every putt and count every stroke imo. If you're loving around with your friends/drinking and nobody's playing super seriously then it's probably not a big deal if you just want to have fun and not worry about score.

With that said, I played the other day and the coffee place I usually stop and get a drink at near my house had a new drink called a black and white where it was regular and white espresso mixed with chocolate over ice. It sounded delicious so I got one and went to the course. Swing was honestly pretty good without a warmup and even drained a 13 footer for a par save to start the round. I get to the second hole and standing over my putt my hands are super shaky and I end up 3 putting it from like 15 feet with the 3rd one honestly being a lucky 6 footer. Ended up having 38 putts on the round and what should have probably been an 82 ended up being a 92 based on 8 3 putts (!!!), with at least half of them coming from within 3 feet. I struck the ball well overall and was even a foot away from a hole in one but I couldn't putt to save my life on any of the holes. Well I went back to the coffee place today in the late afternoon and asked if I could get another black and white and the barista tells me I'm a brave soul for wanting a 5 espresso shot drink at 4:30 in the afternoon. I normally have 2 shots in my coffee in the morning and call it good, so no wonder 5 shots had me looking like I had loving Parkinson's on the back 9 whenever I had my putter. :doh:

Dr. Capco fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Jun 24, 2019

spamman
Jul 11, 2002

Chin up Tiger, There is always next season...

torgeaux posted:

Anybody have any other running matches/bets they routinely play?

A friend and I have a regular game where we track our score like normal, but do the whole Mark Crossfield thing of a match play game, game that's not a game and birdie counts (par count for us because we're both 90-100 golfers, birdies are worth 2).

The winner usually gets some KFC from the other player for the match play and a frozen coke for the par count.

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...

Dr. Capco posted:

Well I went back to the coffee place today in the late afternoon and asked if I could get another black and white and the barista tells me I'm a brave soul for wanting a 5 espresso shot drink at 4:30 in the afternoon. I normally have 2 shots in mu coffee in the morning and call it good, so no wonder 5 shots had me looking like I had loving Parkinson's on the back 9 whenever I had my putter. :doh:

That's loving insane. We have a shop that puts 3 shots in a 20oz drink, and I stay the hell away from that. Well, it's always nice to report a high score for your handicap, I guess.

surf rock
Aug 12, 2007

We need more women in STEM, and by that, I mean skateboarding, television, esports, and magic.
I've got a friend who loves golfing (goes out every week) and who did me a nice favor this weekend. I'd like to get him a gift relevant to his hobby, ideally something in the $50 range; it's OK if it's a little more or less. I have a Dick's Sporting Goods and a Golf Galaxy near me, and obviously I can get something online as well if it has a quick delivery speed.

I thought maybe there are some super-awesome golf balls that are impractical for a hobbyist to buy himself based on their per-unit price but that would be fun to use if they were gifted to you, or something like that?

I'd love advice on this from the experts; does anyone have any ideas for stuff that they would like that might fit into that category? Thank you!

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


surf rock posted:

I've got a friend who loves golfing (goes out every week) and who did me a nice favor this weekend. I'd like to get him a gift relevant to his hobby, ideally something in the $50 range; it's OK if it's a little more or less. I have a Dick's Sporting Goods and a Golf Galaxy near me, and obviously I can get something online as well if it has a quick delivery speed.

I thought maybe there are some super-awesome golf balls that are impractical for a hobbyist to buy himself based on their per-unit price but that would be fun to use if they were gifted to you, or something like that?

I'd love advice on this from the experts; does anyone have any ideas for stuff that they would like that might fit into that category? Thank you!
Titleist Pro V1 is what you’re looking for but also people pay MSRP for them so :shrug:

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...

Josh Lyman posted:

Titleist Pro V1 is what you’re looking for but also people pay MSRP for them so :shrug:

Seconded. But, Josh is right, it doesn't fit the "wouldn't buy for themselves" bit. You can look at golfballs.com and personalize a dozen, but will take longer.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


torgeaux posted:

Seconded. But, Josh is right, it doesn't fit the "wouldn't buy for themselves" bit. You can look at golfballs.com and personalize a dozen, but will take longer.
FWIW you can also order personalized Pro V1s from Titleist.com though it might be more expensive since obviously the balls wont be on sale. A personalized dozen might be your best bet, though a normal $50 gc is also useful of course.

Suprfli6
Jul 9, 2008

:shepface:God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title:shepface:

Avid golfers are like the hardest people to buy gifts for. Personally I’d prefer a gift card or a free round at a nice local course, but ProV1s are probably the safest physical thing to give somebody.

surf rock
Aug 12, 2007

We need more women in STEM, and by that, I mean skateboarding, television, esports, and magic.
I'm pretty confident that my friend would (1) really enjoy that gift and (2) might buy himself a set like that annually, but wouldn't/couldn't do so on a super-regular basis. So, I think he'll find it as delightful as I'm hoping.

Thank you all so much for your help!

daslog
Dec 10, 2008

#essereFerrari
The biggest problem I see with scoring is that your typical golfer will go look for the ball he just hit in the woods, not find it, and then will just drop a ball and give himself a one stroke penalty. (I see these on OB shots too). The USGA put in that "local rule" that allows you to drop in the fairway with a 2 stroke penalty, but everyone ignores it because local rules are misunderstood and are rarely posted by clubhouses.

What the USGA should have done was make the rule mandatory.

AndrewP
Apr 21, 2010

Exactly. I did a two stroke penalty yesterday because I hadn’t taken a provisional and wasn’t about to go back up to the tee and hit it again. But it’s because I went and looked up the rule ahead of time and saw that. Taking two strokes seems a little overly penalizing at first until you actually think about it.

Another rule question - hitting the ball into the drink and dropping at a drop zone is only a one stroke penalty? So I tee off, it finds the pond, I drop in the drop zone. I’m taking my third shot now, correct?

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...

AndrewP posted:

Another rule question - hitting the ball into the drink and dropping at a drop zone is only a one stroke penalty? So I tee off, it finds the pond, I drop in the drop zone. I’m taking my third shot now, correct?

Yes, youve got it. In one, out two, hitting three.

Daric
Dec 23, 2007

Shawn:
Do you really want to know my process?

Lassiter:
Absolutely.

Shawn:
Well it starts with a holla! and ends with a Creamsicle.
Yeah I don't keep score if I'm playing with my friends most of the time because those are the rounds I'm going to be swinging out of my shoes off of every tee box.

greatapoc
Apr 4, 2005
I accidentally stumbled onto the golf subreddit and came across something they seem to call the "push cart mafia" which basically appears to be...someone owns a push cart. I'm Australian and pretty much everyone that isn't driving a buggy is using a push cart, it is very rare to see someone walking with a bag on their backs. Is using a push cart really so foreign in America to the point that it is looked down upon?

BCRock
Dec 13, 2005
I'm huge in Japan
~90% of the people I've ever seen not riding in a cart on a golf course are using a push cart of some sort. Virtually the only people I ever see carrying a bag are high school kids and that's becoming more rare.

Dr. Capco
May 21, 2007


Pillbug
Carrying your clubs is awful for your back/shoulders/neck and provides no benefit to your golf game or health. Push cart all the way but I do also enjoy a nice golf cart ride as well when it's mega hot outside.

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RideTheSpiral
Sep 18, 2005
College Slice

Dr. Capco posted:

Carrying your clubs is awful for your back/shoulders/neck and provides no benefit to your golf game or health. Push cart all the way but I do also enjoy a nice golf cart ride as well when it's mega hot outside.

it’s good for cutting unnecessary poo poo from your bag. see: ball retriever, umbrella, 5 wood, and 2 iron

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