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Wasn't anime always a lot more open about this sort of stuff though? Granted, all that personally comes to mind is Kannazuki no Miko and Gravitation, which aren't good, but there was certainly explicit (in the non-porn sense) LGBT stuff in Japanese media a while before it started gathering steam in the West.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Those fans aren't going to be impressed by having another bunch of straight white people rush in and stomp all over it for being not progressive enough. in fact everyone else should be trying to impress me
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Jun 23, 2019 12:20
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CommissarMega posted:Wasn't anime always a lot more open about this sort of stuff though? Granted, all that personally comes to mind is Kannazuki no Miko and Gravitation, which aren't good, but there was certainly explicit (in the non-porn sense) LGBT stuff in Japanese media a while before it started gathering steam in the West. Anime was to some extent. Just don't make the mistake that it echoes actual Japanese attitudes on it. Lesbianism, for instance, is seen as a "phase" some young girls get into but are expected to grow out of when they become adults. It's really obvious many of the creators are sympathetic to the LGBT community though as they sneak as much as they can in.
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Jun 23, 2019 12:55
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Mokinokaro posted:Lesbianism, for instance, is seen as a "phase" some young girls get into but are expected to grow out of when they become adults. Man, that is messed up. Better than in Malaysia though, where apparently the word lesbian is so taboo it's apparently been replaced by the word tomboy, or at least it was on one government-owned network  But yeah, I suppose one good side-effect of anime being so overtly marketed towards the fringes of society is that it sometimes catches people on the outside who should be on the inside.
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Jun 23, 2019 14:21
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CommissarMega posted:Wasn't anime always a lot more open about this sort of stuff though? Granted, all that personally comes to mind is Kannazuki no Miko and Gravitation, which aren't good, but there was certainly explicit (in the non-porn sense) LGBT stuff in Japanese media a while before it started gathering steam in the West. I can't speak to Kannazuki no Miko, but the issue with a lot of the 'representation' in stuff like Gravitation is that it...isn't really. Gravitation and things like it (shonen ai and yaoi) are primarily written by women for women, and has a lot of...it's an overused word but honestly the best, problematic portrayals of gay and bi men. The characters don't just happen to be gay/bi because. They're that for the erotic factor. Yaoi is really basically the comic equivalent of bodice ripper romances, in a lot of ways, just with two guys. Bara is the genre typically written by gay men for other gay men. There is better representation in things that aren't specifically yaoi, though.
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Yeah, that's why I said it wasn't good, only that nothing else came to mind. KnM is another can of worms- I liked it very much when I watched it as a younger dude, but now that I'm older? I still kind of like it (I'm a sucker for exaggerated melodrama) but hooo boooy is it a problematic show.
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Jun 23, 2019 15:11
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Anime being largely built around a huge largely unregulated self-publishing scene leads to good things (minorities such as LGBT people getting a real platform to express themselves) as well as bad things (many of the games in this thread). Land of contrasts impossible to say whether it's good or bad etc
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Jun 23, 2019 15:18
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Mokinokaro posted:Anime was to some extent. Just don't make the mistake that it echoes actual Japanese attitudes on it. Lesbianism, for instance, is seen as a "phase" some young girls get into but are expected to grow out of when they become adults.
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Jun 23, 2019 16:13
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Zereth posted:I know there's some magical girl show where two girls grew up and now sleep in the same bed and have adopted a kid but their relationship still isn't explicitly romantic, because the corporate overlords wouldn't let them make it so. But they made it as close as they could without getting fired. You're thinking of Sailor Moon. In the West the couple are cousins.
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Wanted By Weed posted:You're thinking of Sailor Moon. In the West the couple are cousins. He could also be thinking of Nanoha. Kinda says something that there are multiple distinct anime that fit that exact description, huh?
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Thuryl posted:He could also be thinking of Nanoha. Kinda says something that there are multiple distinct anime that fit that exact description, huh? It's Nanoha. There was a disagreement between the music folks and the writers iirc. Sailor Moon explicitly has Haruka and Michiru dating, and they raise a kid together alongside Setsuna, who's kinda their third wheel I guess?
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Thuryl posted:He could also be thinking of Nanoha. Kinda says something that there are multiple distinct anime that fit that exact description, huh? Well I mean the sailor moon thing was only in the west at least
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Also Utena also
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Also Utena also Utena is the gayest not yaoi/yuri anime, without ever really being explicit about it. Except the movie, though. That just said "gently caress it, they totally bang." As 90s as the entire franchise is looking back, this scene from the movie still blows me away.
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there's also studios like Clamp that have a "love conquers all" approach; they'll portray healthy gay and lesbian relationships but at the same time, often in the same works, problematic fantasies like pedophilic/teacher-student relationships, incest, and lovely stuff like that
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CYBEReris posted:there's also studios like Clamp that have a "love conquers all" approach; they'll portray healthy gay and lesbian relationships but at the same time, often in the same works, problematic fantasies like pedophilic/teacher-student relationships, incest, and lovely stuff like that maan, i loved some rayearth, back in the day. and was really taken with clamp's style. so i went and checked out a whole bunch of their other stuff and. uh. yeah. i'll stick with rayearth. and to be honest, i'm kinda scared to even revisit that.
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Gomi Day posted:maan, i loved some rayearth, back in the day. and was really taken with clamp's style. so i went and checked out a whole bunch of their other stuff and. uh. Yeah, Rayearth was in the latest Super Robot Wars, and while at least one of the skeevy relationships was basically ignored entirely (centuries old wizard dude with teenage girl) it was kinda skeevy in the relationship they left in (Full grown adult dude with teenage girl, with UST between both of them and another full grown man). They try to play it off with 'well in fantasy land age is kinda wonky in general and a preteen can become an adult in a month or two', but still...
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Jun 23, 2019 18:50
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Yeah, keeping on with really bad Japanese tropes, the "1000 Year Old Child" is another one that is somehow incredibly common
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The only acceptable tropes in anime are the character traits always hungry and afraid of ghosts (particularily if ghosts don't exist). Also the concept of having a fist fight with an old friend that is both an explanation of why you are upset with him and also an apology. Edit: In conclusion, Estelle Bright is the only good jRPG protagonist.
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Zushio posted:The only acceptable tropes in anime are the character traits always hungry and afraid of ghosts (particularily if ghosts don't exist). Like, zoinks!
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Zushio posted:The only acceptable tropes in anime are the character traits always hungry and afraid of ghosts (particularily if ghosts don't exist). scooby doo is the greatest anime e: dangit
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I would be really sad if someone cloned my climate-game idea, but the fact that there are climate games and none are even remotely similar gives me some hope.
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kirbysuperstar posted:It's all ages (just happens to have a yuri theme) and officially recognised by the National Esperanto Association in Japan as being educational. They're also supplying it to educational institutions for free. There's a character in their underwear straddling somebody on the screenshot of the store page. I know we Americans are particularly prudish but even if that was the most intense of it it would probably invoke some form of audience guidelines.
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Voyager I posted:There's a character in their underwear straddling somebody on the screenshot of the store page. I know we Americans are particularly prudish but even if that was the most intense of it it would probably invoke some form of audience guidelines. lmao what i guess there's one scene in the trailer video that could be sort of described that way if you have a broad definition of "underwear", but that scene wasn't in the store page screenshot posted in this thread, so i'm not sure what you're talking about Thuryl fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Jun 24, 2019 |
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Jun 24, 2019 05:20
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Stop talking about anime you nonces
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Jun 24, 2019 05:40
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Anime anime anime anime anime anime anime anime. Anime? Anime.
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They're right though, this is the terrible games thread and anime is great, it's awesome, the best of the best.
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Guys enough about anime. It ended weeks ago. We're so far into June it's almost July.
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Discussing anime in this thread is relevant.
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AG3 posted:They're right though, this is the terrible games thread and anime is great, it's awesome, the best of the best.  Getting back on topic, I'd submit the Community College Hero text adventures, Trial by Fire and Knowledge is Power. Featuring the finest in meaningless choices and sexual predators being presented as heroes! I'm not ragging on text adventures, by the way- stuff like Silverworld, Mecha Ace, Choice of Robots, Fool! and of course SLAMMED! are amazing. Basically, if Choice of Games/Hosted Games puts out a superhero game that isn't The Superlatives, stay the gently caress away. I really like text-based games, shaddap.
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CommissarMega posted:Getting back on topic, I'd submit the Community College Hero text adventures, Trial by Fire and Knowledge is Power. Featuring the finest in meaningless choices and sexual predators being presented as heroes! Gonna need to know more about this one
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Choice of Robots looks like exactly my jam. There's a lot of pretty bad text adventures out there, with the minor boom they went through some time ago. Not surprised they're on Steam, too.
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:Gonna need to know more about this one The railroading is pretty self-explanatory, with none of your choices really mattering as far as I could tell in either one. As for the second bit, in the first story it's revealed that one teacher either forced himself on another student or accepted her offer of sex in exchange for grades- either way it's not a good look. Of course, said girl is an Anti-Authority Punk™ with blue hair, so it's of course *~oh-kay~*! Then in the second story, he performs a 'heroic' sacrifice and everyone loves him  The worst part is that they were both birthday presents from a relative I like who knew I liked text-based stuff, so I can't really give them back without offending them. At least they were on sale at the time. Seriously, if you can get past the steampunk surface, The Superlatives: Aetherfall is a much better superhero game. Haven't tried out the sequel yet though. EDIT: Holy poo poo, I actually forgot about Fallen Hero: Rebirth, a game where you play a mind-controlling supervillain. That's bad enough, but it gets worse when one of your romance options includes a hero who's coming for you, and you can basically play their emotions like a puppet, up to and including visiting them in a hospital after you beat them nearly dead. It's somewhat well-written, which only makes things worse- as it turns out, actually being a supervillain is horrible. It's also apparently the first part in a series, so... yeah. EDIT 2: And gently caress me, I remembered another stupid text-based game. Zombie Exodus: Safe Haven is a text-based game... with PAY TO WIN DLC. The game itself is boring, but that DLC, holy poo poo. CommissarMega fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Jun 24, 2019 |
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AngryRobotsInc posted:Choice of Robots looks like exactly my jam. Choice of Robots is a very good game. It's in a bundle with two other games written by the same guy, and they're definitely worth a look. The greatest CYOA game, though, is Neighbourhood Necromancer.
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Thuryl posted:lmao what  I didn't look up the game so this is all I have to work with, but it's not a great look if you don't want to get thrown in the Anime Tiddy Bin. Voyager I fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Jun 24, 2019 |
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Yeah this was during the period where basically every single Visual Novel was being rejected in the like...month-long period before Valve made the decision to open the floodgates. So it's not very surprising they were just making quick calls based on a brief look, considering nobody at Valve actually wanted to do the job of quality control
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Voyager I posted:
Are you serious? That's, like, the tamest "not a great look" ever. Even in the thumbnail I can tell her hands are ABOVE her chest and neither of them looks at all scantily clad.
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Voyager I posted:
This is what the full-size version of that screenshot looks like:  Fully clothed, no "straddling". Did people really jump to conclusions based on misinterpreting a tiny-rear end thumbnail? Thuryl fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Jun 24, 2019 |
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Thuryl posted:This is what the full-size version of that screenshot looks like: I will admit I was wrong, but can you really blame a person for not giving this a proper investigation? EDIT: in the 'terrible steam games' thread no less
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Voyager I posted:I will admit I was wrong, but can you really blame a person for not giving this a proper investigation? This is the terrible games thread. If you don't dive into terrible things to share them, what are you even doin'
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