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Ie, negotiate a foreclosure of his home.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Toona his going to negotiate his bank's Maybe a buxom secretary - now I'm envisioning Toona as Bob Crane from Hogan's Heroes with Colonel Klink's Helga. And maybe a little bit the dinner theater circuit/head caved in with a camera tripod in a seedy hotel after decades spent drinking and making amateur porn videos with random women 10 years down the line Bob Crane too. We love you Toona - don't get your noggin caved in with a camera tripod dude.
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SlyFrog posted:Maybe a buxom secretary - now I'm envisioning Toona as Bob Crane from Hogan's Heroes with Colonel Klink's Helga. And maybe a little bit the dinner theater circuit/head caved in with a camera tripod in a seedy hotel after decades spent drinking and making amateur porn videos with random women 10 years down the line Bob Crane too. drat, therapy’s working pretty well I see
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Jun 22, 2019 17:37
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Phil Moscowitz posted:drat, therapy’s working pretty well I see Lol
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Like everything else though, you must assume what toona says will backfire. My last few years do have a bit of a Sideshow-Bob-stepping-on-rakes feel to it.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:drat, therapy’s working pretty well I see Therapist said that my ability to rub one out while thinking of death and human suffering is actually a good sign I might not be irretrievably gone as a lawyer.
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Jun 22, 2019 17:56
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Also, Toona, seriously, I feel for you dude. Hang in there. Everyone steps on rakes. I could open a loving hardware store with all the lawn tools I have. Sounds like there are at least fewer in your yard than there used to be.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:drat, therapy’s working pretty well I see ahahaha SlyFrog posted:Therapist said that my ability to rub one out while thinking of death and human suffering is actually a good sign I might not be irretrievably gone as a lawyer. 
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Law megathread: Therapist said that my ability to rub one out while thinking of death and human suffering is actually a good sign
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Jun 22, 2019 19:31
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Toona the Cat posted:How is bar prep/full time work/marriage/tending to my alcohol problem working? I spent 7 hours in a VA hospital today because my stomach is apparently making so much acid it’s eating itself. This is a good sign for a lengthy productive legal career, right? take that poo poo seriously, i assume it's an ulcer? a perforated ulcer nearly killed my wife and ruined her life, so if you're having ulcer issues its time to swear off of aspirin, ibuprofen, alcohol, caffeine and chocolate. enjoy!
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Anyone have OCI tips? I just can't stop cringing about the whole thing...I understand that recruiters understand what they're getting (i.e. idiots) but the polite fiction that a year of law school makes you qualified to interview for a professional gig of any kind is ridiculous. I am also so not happy with writing samples from my coursework, they come off as childish as gently caress to me.
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Pinky Artichoke posted:Anyone have OCI tips? I just can't stop cringing about the whole thing...I understand that recruiters understand what they're getting (i.e. idiots) but the polite fiction that a year of law school makes you qualified to interview for a professional gig of any kind is ridiculous. I am also so not happy with writing samples from my coursework, they come off as childish as gently caress to me. Just be personable and prepared to ask them non-generic questions about their firm.
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Pinky Artichoke posted:Anyone have OCI tips? I just can't stop cringing about the whole thing...I understand that recruiters understand what they're getting (i.e. idiots) but the polite fiction that a year of law school makes you qualified to interview for a professional gig of any kind is ridiculous. I am also so not happy with writing samples from my coursework, they come off as childish as gently caress to me. What kind of gigs do you want? And how are your grades? I'm kind of sad I don't get to interview anymore. One thing this job has taught me is confidence and really expanded my social skills.
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Jun 23, 2019 01:49
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Primary law of socializing: people want to talk about themselves. Steer the conversation by asking questions about them and being interested in the answers. Throw in an insightful comment here and there, let people tell you how cool they are, and most people will leave the conversation thinking to themselves, “What a good conversationalist that guy was!”
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Jun 23, 2019 03:15
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Don't be a fake rear end idiot. One of my people said "I really want to practice your incredible niche field!" Don't lie man, don't lie.
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Pinky Artichoke posted:Anyone have OCI tips? I just can't stop cringing about the whole thing...I understand that recruiters understand what they're getting (i.e. idiots) but the polite fiction that a year of law school makes you qualified to interview for a professional gig of any kind is ridiculous. I am also so not happy with writing samples from my coursework, they come off as childish as gently caress to me. The people interviewing you are not prepared for it and were just corralled into it and are basically grading you on if you manage to disqualify yourself in 30m or not. I’ve done those interviews. Your school+gpa+resume already mostly ranked you and it’s just about if you come across as having shockingly poor judgment and/or would be awful to work with.
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Pinky Artichoke posted:Anyone have OCI tips? I just can't stop cringing about the whole thing...I understand that recruiters understand what they're getting (i.e. idiots) but the polite fiction that a year of law school makes you qualified to interview for a professional gig of any kind is ridiculous. I am also so not happy with writing samples from my coursework, they come off as childish as gently caress to me. You can do mock interviews with career services, and also there are likely 3Ls who would be willing to sit down with you and do some run throughs of common questions too. I probably should have done more of those.
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Jun 23, 2019 03:55
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Don't be a fake rear end idiot. One of my people said "I really want to practice your incredible niche field!" Maybe he just really really hate war widows.
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GrandmaParty posted:What kind of gigs do you want? And how are your grades? I want cybersecurity/privacy gigs longer term, but I don't know if that's a realistic hope for a SA job. I'm open to tech work more generally but not interested in patents. I don't have a strong preference on litigation vs. transactional work. I'm not too fussy about whether a given firm tends to hire their SAs. Our rankings aren't out yet, but based on past years I expect to be in the neighborhood of 12-13%. Not stellar but decent. Throatwarbler posted:You can do mock interviews with career services, and also there are likely 3Ls who would be willing to sit down with you and do some run throughs of common questions too. Yeah, I know I should do that. I don't think I've had a real job interview in a decade since I tend to be recruited by old coworkers, and even then the whole programmer whiteboard interview is a pretty different beast.
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Pinky Artichoke posted:I want cybersecurity/privacy gigs longer term, but I don't know if that's a realistic hope for a SA job. I'm open to tech work more generally but not interested in patents. I don't have a strong preference on litigation vs. transactional work. I'm not too fussy about whether a given firm tends to hire their SAs. One of my friends did exactly what you want to do here. Summered in DC at a big law firm and will be returning to do security and data privacy. Gdpr is a large and rapidly expanding market so I think expressing interest in it is a safe bet, just look up the firm and make sure they actually practice in that area first.
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Yeah, honestly security and data privacy would be a great field to get into right now. GDPR is huge, California's law is getting worked out, and I can only imagine over the next 5-10 years you'll see every state in the country roll something out, or a federal law. In either case being a specialist will pay off.
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Pinky Artichoke posted:Anyone have OCI tips? I just can't stop cringing about the whole thing...I understand that recruiters understand what they're getting (i.e. idiots) but the polite fiction that a year of law school makes you qualified to interview for a professional gig of any kind is ridiculous. I am also so not happy with writing samples from my coursework, they come off as childish as gently caress to me. You should know if you're doing litigation or corporate but beyond that your dream is to do what Firm X does. You don't want to specialize and, unless Firm X says they're only hiring specialists. Also you love 2 work. Spend like half an hour learning about each firm you're interviewing with. Oh btw this year all the top biglaw firms are mostly skipping OCI and/or not hiring anyone at it since NALP blew up. Vox Nihili fucked around with this message at 07:20 on Jun 23, 2019 |
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Don't be a fake rear end idiot. One of my people said "I really want to practice your incredible niche field!" Unless you DO want to do niche field Y, then ABSOLUTELY lie.
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Truthfully say that the field your interviewer works in sounds very interesting, but being a 1L and knowing nothing, you would love to ask some questions and learn about the day to day trials and tribulations of being a lawyer in the field.
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Are we listening to advice from the dude who emailed his interviewer asking her what kind of menstrual shed she stays in? I know I was gone a minute but poo poo.
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Vox Nihili posted:You should know if you're doing litigation or corporate but beyond that your dream is to do what Firm X does. You don't want to specialize and, unless Firm X says they're only hiring specialists. Also you love 2 work. Spend like half an hour learning about each firm you're interviewing with. I do love to work, otherwise I'd be taking art classes with the rest of my (former) professional peer group's wives. quote:Oh btw this year all the top biglaw firms are mostly skipping OCI and/or not hiring anyone at it since NALP blew up. I read that. It seems like there are fewer government employers here than there were in past years, too. I don't think the top big law firms are jumping over themselves to hire (much) older second-career A-/B+ students, so I don't think it's a huge loss for me personally.
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Vox Nihili posted:Oh btw this year all the top biglaw firms are mostly skipping OCI and/or not hiring anyone at it since NALP blew up. What? How do they hire then? Sab0921 fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Jun 23, 2019 |
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Jun 23, 2019 19:47
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Sab0921 posted:What? How do they hire then? Direct applications and interviews. It's the wild west. Exploding offers, signing bonuses, etc. are all on the table, too.
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This is news to me, what happened? Any good articles about it?
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evilweasel posted:This is news to me, what happened? Any good articles about it? Dunno about good but here's one https://abovethelaw.com/2018/12/the-recruiting-game-done-changed/
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Vox Nihili posted:Direct applications and interviews. It's the wild west. Exploding offers, signing bonuses, etc. are all on the table, too. Wow - I don't know what to think of this, it may be similar to when the OSCAR system collapsed for judicial clerkships a few years ago and just lead to more nepotistic hiring. Has your firm cancelled OCI at the major schools?
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My firm's still doing OCI but we're going to fewer and fewer schools every year. We get so many great writein candidates we don't need OCI anymore, and freeing ourselves from the requirement that we let these little preening turds tie up one of our offer slots for a month has been incredibly liberating
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Sab0921 posted:Wow - I don't know what to think of this, it may be similar to when the OSCAR system collapsed for judicial clerkships a few years ago and just lead to more nepotistic hiring. At our office (Bay Area satellite office of a large NY firm) they are already interviewing candidates and are preparing to issue signing bonuses for each one ($ amount tbd). OCI will either be completely perfunctory or function only to fill the last slot or two, or maybe just won't happen at all. The NY office is going to be very aggressive as well, but I don't know the specifics there. Talk is that rival firms are proceeding similarly, though I'm not sure if the below-Cravath scale biglaw firms are doing the same thing or not. In fact, I don't think anyone really knows what's going on more broadly in the industry at all!
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I haven’t done OCI in a good number of years now. It’s nice.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:But what about the unmatchable talent you could be missing out on, the raw powerful minds I'd be more concerned about loving over diversity efforts. I can't imagine most first-gen/under-represented kids have gotten good advice about the current situation. Pinky Artichoke fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Jun 24, 2019 |
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Vox Nihili posted:At our office (Bay Area satellite office of a large NY firm) they are already interviewing candidates and are preparing to issue signing bonuses for each one ($ amount tbd). OCI will either be completely perfunctory or function only to fill the last slot or two, or maybe just won't happen at all. The NY office is going to be very aggressive as well, but I don't know the specifics there. Talk is that rival firms are proceeding similarly, though I'm not sure if the below-Cravath scale biglaw firms are doing the same thing or not. In fact, I don't think anyone really knows what's going on more broadly in the industry at all! Y'all aren't worried at all about not all law students getting the message about the new rules for hiring and waiting for OCI only to find out its pointless? Or is this just a rush to get the same 100 Ted Cruz's coming out of the same 6 law schools?
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Pinky Artichoke posted:I'd be more concerned about loving over diversity efforts. I can't imagine most first-gen/under-represented kids have gotten good advice about the current situation. poo poo, I barely got good advice on OCI back when it was a thing and my dad was managing partner of a medium law firm that did some oci poo poo (but not more than a few states). Of course, I also wanted to do govt law, but our campus career services was worse than useless and actively spread bad info. None of it mattered anyhow because all those people who got fancy oci summers did it in the summer of 2008. Lol. I got a paid government summer job by brown noseing and was just as unemployed as them come 2009.
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