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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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133 | 0.01% |
| Mazdaspeed 3 |
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92 | 0.01% |
| Veloster Turbo |
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20 | 0.00% |
| Focus ST |
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149 | 0.01% |
| Other Hot Hatch |
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230 | 0.02% |
| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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just saying there are options
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Jun 22, 2019 16:56
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sneakyfrog posted:do focuses (sp) have a bad reliability rating other than the head gasket in the rs? That said, it's easy to avoid LSPI pretty much entirely by just not lugging the engine. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:MFT is garbage. The worst thing I've had happen with MFT is occasionally (maybe once a year) when I start the car with a Bluetooth source selected the media application's frontend service will fail to start properly home screen tile will go blank, with touches not doing anything but making the "boop" noise. Everything else works when this happens and media keeps playing, but I can't control the track from the steering wheel buttons or load up the full media control application. Even this is easy to fix, I just have to tell the voice system (which is separate from the MFT system) to switch to a different input and that brings the media app back to life. Or I just ignore it because I'm listening to podcasts and don't care about being able to change tracks from the steering wheel, it'll fix itself when I shut the car off. I really, really, really wanted to hate MFT purely on principle because it's built on Windows CE with Adobe Flash stacked on top, but aside from that one rare bug that doesn't even get in my way all that much it has "just worked" like the appliance it's supposed to be. I guess early on it also crashed a few times when browsing the Sirius channel list, but that was a known bug that had already been fixed in a software update that I just hadn't installed at the time. I don't have nav though, so if that's a buggy pile of poo poo and that's why people rant about MFT then I wouldn't know. Then again who cares about OEM nav? The options available for free on everyone's phones are better than literally every single OEM system except for the couple that are just straight up using Google Maps.
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Jun 23, 2019 00:17
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BraveUlysses posted:unless you get a certified used (which is prob over 20k range) you might want to consider a PPI and maybe avoid any car with significant mods or the "returned to stock for sale" look which sometimes could have been done to cover up something For perspective, I'm coming from a grad student special 1998 Ford Escort wagon with a slushy automatic transmission that likely falls well short of its original 110hp and my wife feels embarrassed to have in our driveway, so I'm really not going to miss a few extra features. Honestly a base (non-GTI) Golf would be a huge step up for me. Night Danger Moose posted:I've had my FoST for just over 3 years, 31k miles. Only issue I've had is the timing cover gasket replaced under warranty. Still on stock brakes but I dont abuse them. Full bolt ons, 30mpg hwy 25mpg in city with tune. Tons of cargo space. I love it, definitely wouldn't trade it for anything. What do you carry around in it? Also, how's the visibility? And do you have the Recaro seats, or no?
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Jun 23, 2019 02:00
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wolrah posted:The Focus ST is reported to be more vulnerable to ringland failure caused by low speed preignition (LSPI) than other vehicles. Not sure if this has ever been scientifically examined, but it seems to be general wisdom on a lot of relevant forums. LSPI is a concern for any turbocharged, direct injected engines hooked to manual transmissions but there's apparently something about the FoST pistons that makes it particularly likely to cause damage. I thought it was way more likely with auto transmissions? You certainly see a lot more Mazda CX-7 and MPVs with the issue than MS3/6
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Jun 23, 2019 02:03
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Apollodorus posted:What do you carry around in it? Also, how's the visibility? And do you have the Recaro seats, or no?
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Jun 23, 2019 04:24
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Apollodorus posted:Hi all -- I'm in the market for a new car and wanted a m/t hatchback or wagon that gets 30+ MPG and has good cargo capacity. I recently learned that 2015 and newer GTIs have the same cargo capacity as the Honda Fit, which means they meet my requirements. Cool! I've got the base GTI and I adore it. Sure it doesn't have the LSD, or leather, or the lighting package, but as a fun daily driver it's been perfect for me. It handily carries two full hockey bags and sticks when my son and I go to practice, and the one time I sat in the back seat, it was comfortable with plenty of leg room (I'm 6' tall). If you get a used one, definitely get a PPI if it's not certified pre-owned.
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Jun 23, 2019 04:56
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dissss posted:I thought it was way more likely with auto transmissions? You certainly see a lot more Mazda CX-7 and MPVs with the issue than MS3/6 There do seem to be some CX-7 owners with ringland issues though, so I have no idea what explains that. Maybe the transmission programming is a bit too heavy on the efficiency balance and doesn't downshift aggressively enough when floored? That said even literally googling "CX-7 ringland" gets me two results about CX7 ringland issues and five about MS3s so I'm not getting the same feeling about it being more common on the autos. Either way it looks like the Mazda people consider the FoST motor to be an improvement on theirs as far as this stuff goes, that's interesting.
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Jun 23, 2019 06:08
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Night Danger Moose posted:Visbility is absolutely fine, between my rearview, shouldercheck, and side mirrors I barely have a blindspot if at all. The recaros were a bit stiff when I got them but I've worn it in enough to be very comfortable (for the record, I'm a 5'4" 160lb female - those on the larger side may not find them as enjoyable so YMMV). As far as cargo, it was really helpful when moving from Annapolis to northeast Baltimore and back, it can comfortably take 4 tires and still have room to spare. I'm sure others have taken much more in it as well. Do you have the MFT screen or just the little recessed screen? I have a hard time imagining that the back-up camera would be much use on such a tiny screen, but there seem to be plenty of FoSTs with it.
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Jun 23, 2019 06:45
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Apollodorus posted:Do you have the MFT screen or just the little recessed screen? I have a hard time imagining that the back-up camera would be much use on such a tiny screen, but there seem to be plenty of FoSTs with it. I've got the MFT, and the camera is excellent.
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Jun 23, 2019 13:37
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revmoo posted:Nice. Abso-loving-loutely same. You going back to e36 or something more modern?
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Jun 23, 2019 13:48
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Night Danger Moose posted:I've got the MFT, and the camera is excellent. Ah, so would it not be worth getting a FoST without MFT then?
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Jun 23, 2019 14:44
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Crunchy Black posted:Abso-loving-loutely same. You going back to e36 or something more modern? Why does every GTI owner say this. "My car is good at everything. I can't wait to get rid of it." I've got a 20 year old M3 that does not mesh with my life any longer re kids and I'm looking at hatches/wagons. E36? RATTLE RATTLE RATTLE.
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Jun 23, 2019 15:14
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ThirstyBuck posted:Why does every GTI owner say this. "My car is good at everything. I can't wait to get rid of it." I've got a 20 year old M3 that does not mesh with my life any longer re kids and I'm looking at hatches/wagons. E36? RATTLE RATTLE RATTLE. I've really enjoyed my GTI and it's not even a remotely a fair comparison, but my limited time in my new M3 makes it feel really lovely. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend one to someone in the market thought. They really are great do everything cars.
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Jun 23, 2019 15:38
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ThirstyBuck posted:Why does every GTI owner say this. "My car is good at everything. I can't wait to get rid of it." I've got a 20 year old M3 that does not mesh with my life any longer re kids and I'm looking at hatches/wagons. E36? RATTLE RATTLE RATTLE. I'll probably get a van or wagon. And not German. 
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Jun 23, 2019 16:25
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Suburban Dad posted:I'll probably get a van or wagon. And not German. I’ve legit thought about getting a Transit Connect to haul bicycles around. I never have more than 1 passenger.
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Jun 23, 2019 16:38
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Suburban Dad posted:I'll probably get a van or wagon. And not German. Username checks out 
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Jun 23, 2019 17:34
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ThirstyBuck posted:Why does every GTI owner say this. "My car is good at everything. I can't wait to get rid of it." They are not exciting or involving to drive.
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Jun 23, 2019 17:47
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ThirstyBuck posted:Why does every GTI owner say this. "My car is good at everything. I can't wait to get rid of it." I've got a 20 year old M3 that does not mesh with my life any longer re kids and I'm looking at hatches/wagons. E36? RATTLE RATTLE RATTLE.  I wish I held on to my old GTI. I think many people who can't wait to get rid of them are only looking to have a single, do everything car. The GTI does everything well, but it's not an M3 or a 911. Once you're able to move past your beater/commuter car also having to be your 10/10 doriftu car, having a more boring car with space, a good interior, etc becomes pretty nice.
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Jun 23, 2019 17:54
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I *really* like mine, I think the only thing I'd change is about 60 more horsepower and maybe 6" more in length. The price difference between something like a GTI and an M3 buys a lot of motorcycles.
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Jun 23, 2019 18:30
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Fats posted:I *really* like mine, I think the only thing I'd change is about 60 more horsepower and maybe 6" more in length. The price difference between something like a GTI and an M3 buys a lot of motorcycles. Isn't that $500 bucks and an APR tune?
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Jun 23, 2019 20:21
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ThirstyBuck posted:Why does every GTI owner say this. "My car is good at everything. I can't wait to get rid of it." I've got a 20 year old M3 that does not mesh with my life any longer re kids and I'm looking at hatches/wagons. E36? RATTLE RATTLE RATTLE. The GTI is a good car, but FWD sucks rear end. Also it's unbelievably flimsy and I dont trust it past 100k.
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Jun 23, 2019 20:58
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fwd is fine with a lsd and a removal of factory terminal understeer suspension balance
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Jun 23, 2019 21:19
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BlackMK4 posted:They are not exciting or involving to drive. On a track? DD? Period?
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Jun 23, 2019 21:25
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I did not track mine, I sold it and bought a S2000 which I still track. I have an 8th gen civic si that was an ex-time trials car as my daily driver. If it is your primary performance car it probably won't fulfill your wishes, but if you have a second car it is a good dd BlackMK4 fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Jun 23, 2019 |
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Jun 23, 2019 21:34
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I know the thread poll makes fun of them, but check out the Elantra GT sport or n-line (depending on year). I like mine a lot and it was 24k fully loaded. Not as refined as a GTI means it feels more interesting to drive. Full disclosure, I have a modified MR2 turbo and e46 330ci to get my jollies in. As much as I wanted an s3 or gti, I got so sick of VW’s unethical engineering after years of working on them. Hyundai seems to be old school Japanese in their design philosophy vs former Nazis trying to spite the allied forces.
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Jun 23, 2019 22:02
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Residency Evil posted:
I mean... doesn't a GTI just do everything a Golf does, but cooler? I'm looking at it as a daily driver that might be more fun to drive than a Fit or whatever, not because I want to take it to the track. But this BlackMK4 posted:They are not exciting or involving to drive. and this revmoo posted:The GTI is a good car, but FWD sucks rear end. Also it's unbelievably flimsy and I dont trust it past 100k. are very discouraging.
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Jun 24, 2019 00:41
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Really it's not true unless you compare it to an S2000 or an M3. It's a fine car to dd, I've done track days in mine and it's a ton of fun. Would I rather track day my friends 2018 'vette? Yes. Would I rather pay 55k and be a cop magnet and/or have my knees break climbing in and out of the thing every day? No. Your reason to not get one should be your own reason, not because blackmk4 and revmoo have an s2000 or a M3 and therefore it's poo poo in comparison. I have mine for very practical reasons: it's a small light car with a manual trans that can keep up with nearly any consumer car with a very small amount of mods, and can still get 30+ mph on the freeway in boring grandpa cruise mode. For me, it is the perfect daily driver out of all the available options right now.
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Jun 24, 2019 00:53
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The GTI simply drives worse in nearly every metric compared to my 25-year old BMW. Also it has an insane amount of electrical gremlins and the AC is barely adequate (especially when compared against the aforementioned 25-year old car). It really isn't a BAD car, I enjoy it a lot, but I wouldn't get another one. Also I'm put off from owning a VW again because the dealer in my city is a bunch of dicks to deal with.
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Jun 24, 2019 01:03
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I was probably gonna end up in a Golf R before I got a wild hair up my rear end and went with an M3. The GTI is great and fine at what it does. You won't regret buying one.
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Jun 24, 2019 01:05
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It’s a really personal thing whether a car is fun enough or worth it for you. I’ve discovered that I don’t really care for nicer, practical sporty cars; I want something kind of rough around the edges and the way RWD cars feel to drive is important to me. As much as I liked my FiST, a FWD do everything car didn’t really hit my fun driving wants quite right. I wound up replacing the FiST with a GX470 since I needed space and dream of building it into an off road rig. Day to day I don’t miss the FiST but would love to have something fun again, and if I ever can make it work financially it probably won’t be a hot hatch. Might be sacrilege in the hot hatch thread, but for a long time I thought it was my ideal car and after actually owning one for a couple years I realized it isn’t so much.
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Jun 24, 2019 01:15
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I don’t have a history of other sporty cars to compare to, but I love my GTI as a daily driver. Acceleration when I want it, comfortable, can transport four adults, decent mileage, CarPlay/Android Auto, reasonably priced new (25k), manual transmission, and plaid!
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Jun 24, 2019 02:15
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If you want something on the harsh/raw side with a rear wheel bias, a Focus RS might be a good pick.
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Jun 24, 2019 02:24
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RIP Paul Walker posted:I know the thread poll makes fun of them That was me trying to reset the poll before giving up and forgetting about this thread entirely.
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Jun 24, 2019 03:15
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RIP Paul Walker posted:I know the thread poll makes fun of them, Nah, we just have 100 each and use them for Top Gear style challenges.
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Jun 24, 2019 04:33
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Lot of interesting opinions in this thread. GTI is the perfect daily IMO, it's the best mix of everything while probably not being perfect at anything. Enough power, soft enough ride for insane pot holes yet still sporty feeling and fun to drive, good gas mileage, versatility of a hatch, sounds and looks decent, etc. I love the car but no, it isn't a race car. It's awesome to drive from A to B and not feel like you're in a penalty box. I'm personally quite glad it's not a 25 year old BMW .
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Jun 24, 2019 12:40
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i think it's a very tough car to love
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Jun 24, 2019 21:00
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ThirstyBuck posted:Why does every GTI owner say this. "My car is good at everything. I can't wait to get rid of it." I've got a 20 year old M3 that does not mesh with my life any longer re kids and I'm looking at hatches/wagons. E36? RATTLE RATTLE RATTLE. Because KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:i think it's a very tough car to love It has no soul, which makes it infuriatingly boring to drive. Also I have no plans to have kids. (2016 2 door supremacy) I wouldn't say I *regret* my purchase, because I don't. It made the most sense from a market standpoint at the time (stick, android auto, reasonably cheap) but I make more money now and drive about a quarter what I did when I bought it. When it's paid off, I'm definitely looking at something more dumb.
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Jun 24, 2019 22:43
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I like the new thread title
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Jun 24, 2019 22:51
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Thread title is on point. I was under the impression that both the FiST/FoST are pretty reliable unless you crank up the boost, which isn't surprising. Is that not right? I'm probably in the market for a ~$10k used hot hatch soon and one of those are at the top of my list.
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Jun 24, 2019 22:58
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hosed up that ford made that cool AWD hatch but nobody makes a RWD hatch
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