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Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Liquid Communism posted:

It's always important to remember that keeping salaries secret is a huge boon to employers because it means they hold all the information in salary negotiations. Anyone with a good grasp of their books kows exactly how much a worker's labor is worth to the company.

Going in to negotiate against that with at best a few guesses from memory or Glass door as to what your labor is worth will put you at a huge disadvantage, and every dollar not paid out in labor is free profit.

There is a slowly growing trend among employers to improve wage transparency, in the US due in part to laws in various places that make secrecy of various flavors illegal. Discussing pay is legal at the federal level, a bunch of states have outlawed or are currently working on bills that make it illegal to ask candidates about their pay at previous places of employment prior to negotiating comp, etc. I can even say from personal experience that talking to recruiters 5 years ago was very different than just within the last month or two - back then, I had recruiters flat out tell me on an initial screen that they needed to see a previous W-2 to determine compensation before we could move to next steps (yes, they got told to gently caress off). Last few times I've talked comp with potential employers, they ask me what I'm looking for - in which case you're right, you have to be prepared.

What's funny is that employers may eke out additional profit by driving down wages, but they're hurting themselves in the process and it's the same issue that restaurants have. The BBQ joint paying $10/hr to BOH is going to have a much harder time filling jobs than the pizza joint paying $12.50 because hey, employees chase the money. And then those same managers/owners bitch about not being able to find good help.

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bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

Tsathoggua posted:

Also keeps saying that he pays competitively, but never clarifies what that means.

I run a low/midsized kitchen in Ottawa. I start green cooks at 16 (minimum is 14), and tipout usually adds ~1.25 more. I'm actively arguing for a better tipout.

I am open and transparent with these things whenever I post an ad for employees. I've never had a problem filling a position.

He's probably being wishy-washy and promising raises that never come, demanding more and offering less.

Which kitchen?

Tsathoggua
Apr 6, 2005
I am not eat breakfast food.
Stoneface, you?

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
I don't remember who in this thread pointed out this twitter, but thank you.

https://twitter.com/DynamoNestico/status/1142204430030450691

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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The Midniter posted:

Watched this last night, which I found fascinating and fully support. It goes beyond the culinary realm, but she makes some good points and I think it'd be healthy in the restaurant industry and beyond.

That was very cool, thanks for posting it.

JacquelineDempsey
Aug 6, 2008

Women's Circuit Bender Union Local 34



Last night on "Yep, That's Industry Life":

[EXT, the alleyway. JD is smoking a cigarette, holding her left hand above her head. SERVER comes out and sits next to her.]

SERVER: I saw all your blood on the floor! Are you okay?
JD: [shrugs] Meh.

(I took a nice chunk out of my index finger chiffonading basil, because one cook quit, and another NCNS'ed, so I was in full gently caress-off panic mode all night and got careless rushing about. Sigh. "Haste makes waste", as my grammy used to say. Still, the image of this cute, wide-eyed 18 yo server saying "I saw all your blood on the floor!" cracks me up this morning.)

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
I like cookies.
"Goddammit. Hey bro, I seem to have sprung a leak, gotta take five."

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Don't be so hard on FOH. Some of us mean well.

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
"hey guy, can you finish plating this duck for me? I need to step off the line for a sec"
"Yeah sure"
"Also make sure you find the piece of my finger first"
"Wait what"

whos that broooown
Dec 10, 2009

2024 Comeback Poster of the Year
I have two paid vacation days. What is this

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

kittenmittons posted:

I have two paid vacation days. What is this

You live in Cali?

whos that broooown
Dec 10, 2009

2024 Comeback Poster of the Year

Skwirl posted:

You live in Cali?

Pennsylvania (the bad part). Honestly I love where I work but because of that (low BOH turnover rate) it has been such a struggle to work my way up the ladder. I'm getting some prep work but that's about it. Probably doesn't help that my social skills are poo poo, though.

Mercedes Colomar
Nov 1, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I have July 1-10 off from the hospital. I have to get the "you're on the schedule for the 6th and 7th" sorted out though because I will NOT be in town. And will not be driving 3 hours back to work those shifts. I would be beyond peeved if I have to do that.

SHVPS4DETH
Mar 19, 2009

seen so much i'm going blind
and i'm brain-dead virtually





Ramrod XTreme

Manuel Calavera posted:

I have July 1-10 off from the hospital. I have to get the "you're on the schedule for the 6th and 7th" sorted out though because I will NOT be in town. And will not be driving 3 hours back to work those shifts. I would be beyond peeved if I have to do that.

extremely BOH to be thinking of that as a perhaps inevitable possibility

source: i got called in on both of my days off this past week. i've decided that if anyone asks what i do on my days off i'll say that i vacuum seal my phone in a plastic bag, throw it in a lake and spend the day swimming and diving trying to find it

Naelyan
Jul 21, 2007

Fun Shoe

SHVPS4DETH posted:

extremely BOH to be thinking of that as a perhaps inevitable possibility

source: i got called in on both of my days off this past week. i've decided that if anyone asks what i do on my days off i'll say that i vacuum seal my phone in a plastic bag, throw it in a lake and spend the day swimming and diving trying to find it

I have to go in tomorrow (it's one of my days off this week) and when I told the owner that she immediately apologized (though it's nobody's fault that I have to, one of our catering clients bumped their numbers up and I don't have enough salmon in house and delivery isn't until Thursday) and told me to take a half day Wednesday to make up for it.

It's not all bad, you just have to search for the gems.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
I like cookies.

Manuel Calavera posted:

I have July 1-10 off from the hospital. I have to get the "you're on the schedule for the 6th and 7th" sorted out though because I will NOT be in town. And will not be driving 3 hours back to work those shifts. I would be beyond peeved if I have to do that.

"Sorry boss, I'm gonna be three hours away that week taking care of family stuff so I won't be able to make it."

Mercedes Colomar
Nov 1, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
The absolute worst case scenario is I call off. Which I've only done once in my nearly 5 years here. I'm working on getting it sorted out though. Best case scenario is I swap a weekend with one guy, he just hasn't gotten back to me yet with an affirmative. Then I have other options if he can't.

But yeah there is no way in hell this bitch is driving her rear end back to work two shifts while I'm already busy. I definitely have prior engagements those days, and they knew WELL in advance that I won't be available. I scheduled it back in October. This is my one real vacation this year. The other time off I took since my last vacation was for moving out/into my apartment.

SHVPS4DETH
Mar 19, 2009

seen so much i'm going blind
and i'm brain-dead virtually





Ramrod XTreme

Manuel Calavera posted:

The absolute worst case scenario is I call off.

you got the days off in advance. this is not a possibility. in fact, call in for those shifts now so they can't say you didn't do anything

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
You told them you needed this time off, they said yes, then scheduled you still. As a kind person you should let them know that you still won't be there, but you don't owe them anything beyond that.

Assuming you aren't stealing from the till and you aren't such a drug addict that you no call no show constantly, restaurants very, very rarely fire anyone.

TheKennedys
Sep 23, 2006

By my hand, I will take you from this godforsaken internet
Moving along in my trek through central Texas kitchens, I'm now a line cook at a big truck stop restaurant, which is slower than you'd think. New boss bought me new work boots on my first day, which was awesome and apparently commonplace. She's this wiry older lady with grown kids who cusses like a sailor and has absolutely no :decorum: whatsoever, it's refreshing.

My brother-in-law keeps telling me it's so easy to get promotions etc with the company, but I just spent a year trying to convince a stubborn, turbo-cheap first-generation Chinese man I was capable of running the restaurant I'd been running all along at $poo poo/hr (yes, I should have quit a long time ago) I just wanna cook for right now tbh

Errant Gin Monks
Oct 2, 2009

"Yeah..."
- Marshawn Lynch
:hawksin:

TheKennedys posted:

Moving along in my trek through central Texas kitchens, I'm now a line cook at a big truck stop restaurant, which is slower than you'd think. New boss bought me new work boots on my first day, which was awesome and apparently commonplace. She's this wiry older lady with grown kids who cusses like a sailor and has absolutely no :decorum: whatsoever, it's refreshing.

My brother-in-law keeps telling me it's so easy to get promotions etc with the company, but I just spent a year trying to convince a stubborn, turbo-cheap first-generation Chinese man I was capable of running the restaurant I'd been running all along at $poo poo/hr (yes, I should have quit a long time ago) I just wanna cook for right now tbh

Do you work at Buckees?

TheKennedys
Sep 23, 2006

By my hand, I will take you from this godforsaken internet

Errant Gin Monks posted:

Do you work at Buckees?

Nah, but we're really close to one, like an exit away. Our restaurant is allegedly turning into a Quaker Steak because the company owns that too (:hellyeah:) this winter but we'll see if that actually happens

Buc-ee's is awesome but I wouldn't want to work for them with the whole no smoking drug test Christian thing

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
I like cookies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJTDkNKEl4U

Mercedes Colomar
Nov 1, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

SHVPS4DETH posted:

you got the days off in advance. this is not a possibility. in fact, call in for those shifts now so they can't say you didn't do anything

Skwirl posted:

You told them you needed this time off, they said yes, then scheduled you still. As a kind person you should let them know that you still won't be there, but you don't owe them anything beyond that.

Assuming you aren't stealing from the till and you aren't such a drug addict that you no call no show constantly, restaurants very, very rarely fire anyone.

Well, it WAS with a note that if it was my weekend to work I'd need to get it covered. It hasn't been an issue the past few years because I was always off that weekend in the past. This was the first year it's been an issue. I just assumed I put in my request well enough in advance that I wouldn't have to put in the legwork and they'd be able to sort it out.

There was one guy who was going to cover it, but he said he would then ended up quitting like 2 months later so :shrug:.

But that was the worst case scenario. It's sorted out though. I'll be covering another ladies (C) weekend that she needed off in August, and she'll do the 5am room service shift my weekend, and the other new guy, M (not the guy who quit, and not the one I was waiting to hear back from. He, we'll say S, has his birthday stuff that weekend so whatev) will do my 11:30 shift. It's a little convoluted, but it works out in the end really.

I just was reticent to ask C because honestly she's kinda intense/scary. That and I kinda peeved her off a little, but I'm dealing with HRT hormones hitting the point where I've got the emotional stability of a teenage girl atm. And I can't really explain what's up there *yet* at work. I've told two people so far who've been chill. I'm just not ready to tell management about that.

So, it's a little messy, but it worked out in the end. And that's what matters most. And I'll be able to enjoy myself with no issues. Plus I end up having this coming weekend off anyways to finally sleep some before the con.

I can vent a little. I like M, he's a good guy, very competent. S is...well he's alright-ish, but he just stresses me a bit. He does this "hey you should be doing this" thing when like, I know dude. I've been here about 5 years now, I know what I'm doing. You don't know my job better than I do.

Mercedes Colomar fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Jun 26, 2019

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust


I bet Alvin will be dead within 5 years

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

Mu Zeta posted:

I bet Alvin will be dead within 5 years

Yeah, I wonder how much line time he actually does even now, his knees have to hate him.

Also both of them need to get their hands off their goddamn faces in the kitchen.

JacquelineDempsey
Aug 6, 2008

Women's Circuit Bender Union Local 34



Manuel Calavera posted:


He does this "hey you should be doing this" thing when like, I know dude. I've been here about 5 years now, I know what I'm doing. You don't know my job better than I do.

Ughhh, I've got a guy like that at my place. The worst is when he actually asks me something, then tells me I'm wrong. Like, the other day he wanted to know how long to set the timer to do some sheet pans of bacon. I see what temp the oven's at and say, "well, it's 400; when I worked at [breakfast place] we did it at 350 for 12 minutes, so maybe set it for 10 and check --- "
"NO," he angrily interrupts, "it's gotta be longer than that! I'll set it for 16!"

1. His sole experience is cooking for a strictly vegetarian yoga retreat spa. Who do you think knows better about bacon, him or the woman who used to cook two cases of bacon a day?
2. Why would you ask me, just to tell me I'm wrong?

Guy's such a tool he should get a tattoo that says "Craftsman" on his forehead.

Mercedes Colomar
Nov 1, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
That's a drat fine last line, hah.

Yeah like, I sorta trained the guy. He mostly learned from the one other guy who used to do the 11:30-8 shift though who's kinda really a dick too. He moved over to the dish room for whatever reason. I trained M some as well, he hasn't cooked for a living for I think he said a decade or more, he was a computer toucher. But he's far more competent and willing to listen when I have input, and even asks when needed.

There's also another lady, Ms P, she's Thai and also pretty competent and has gotten a lot better since day one. She listens and asks. And I can commiserate with both of them, M especially, but I like working with them.

Two more days of work, and then I have 12 glorious days off.... and I have another therapist appointment before my vacation, then the followup at the clinic after. Monday was my 2 month HRTversary. :toot:

SHVPS4DETH
Mar 19, 2009

seen so much i'm going blind
and i'm brain-dead virtually





Ramrod XTreme

Manuel Calavera posted:

Two more days of work, and then I have 12 glorious days off.... and I have another therapist appointment before my vacation, then the followup at the clinic after. Monday was my 2 month HRTversary. :toot:

i may have actually dissociated reading and trying to comprehend the concept of "12 days off" outside the paradigm of unemployment

grats on the HRTversary~ :)

Mercedes Colomar
Nov 1, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Working at a hospital has it's benefits. I'm sitting on 186 hours (23.25 days) of PLT, the con will take like 48-56 hours of that. Our baker guy took the whole month of June off to go back home to India. Plus reviews are coming so I have arguments to make that I'm worth at least 15/hour. I'm at 14.31 currently. And come the end of the year, since I don't go on a lot of trips. I'm cashing out two weeks of PLT for just straight "here ya go, here's an extra 1200 minus taxes" which will be nice.

It's just lame I have like, a 1500 deductible for mental health stuff (ie, therapist for sorting out gender stuff then woo this visit I get to tell her "so like, I have feelings now but I know what's up so it's draining. But also validating.) So that's less fun, but I can do it. So thanks. :3:

Mithross
Apr 27, 2011

Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.

SHVPS4DETH posted:

i may have actually dissociated reading and trying to comprehend the concept of "12 days off" outside the paradigm of unemployment

grats on the HRTversary~ :)

We regularly have cooks take two weeks off each year, entirely paid. It's a nice perk to selling your soul and working for a casino. Even the management gets to occasionally, although we tend to either have to split it into smaller chunks or just take a check some years instead.

Raikiri
Nov 3, 2008
28 Days paid holiday is the legal minimum here (5.5 weeks), that's on the lower side for Europe. Y'all need to unionize.

Papa Was A Video Toaster
Jan 9, 2011





:wave: Hello. I wash dishes at a pub/tapas joint (two restaurants, one kitchen). I was out of work for over three years after having to establish that I have a disability (the Tism). It's only like 20 hours a week but I'm feeling so much better about myself now that I have a job and a couple extra dollars a month.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

Trebuchet King
Jul 5, 2005

This post...

...is a
WORK OF FICTION!!



Raikiri posted:

28 Days paid holiday is the legal minimum here (5.5 weeks), that's on the lower side for Europe. Y'all need to unionize.

unionizing in america is easier said than done. there was set of local news sites (gothamist, dcist, etc) that unionized and the owner just shut all the sites down. the gop has been actively trying to undermine labor protections, too—“right to work” bullshit is kinda sorta catching on.

SHVPS4DETH
Mar 19, 2009

seen so much i'm going blind
and i'm brain-dead virtually





Ramrod XTreme

Trebuchet King posted:

unionizing in america is easier said than done. there was set of local news sites (gothamist, dcist, etc) that unionized and the owner just shut all the sites down. the gop has been actively trying to undermine labor protections, too—“right to work” bullshit is kinda sorta catching on.

ok “comrade” idk abt you but if a Job Creator can’t fire me at any time for any or no reason i just don’t know where my country gone

lol if “huh maybe i’ll get fired today and be homeless in a month or so” isn’t yr daily mood even on yr days off

Hauki
May 11, 2010


SHVPS4DETH posted:

ok “comrade” idk abt you but if a Job Creator can’t fire me at any time for any or no reason i just don’t know where my country gone

lol if “huh maybe i’ll get fired today and be homeless in a month or so” isn’t yr daily mood even on yr days off

we all thrive in a state of constant existential crisis

MAKE NO BABBYS
Jan 28, 2010
Lol, my restaurant is back in the SF Chron Top 100 despite Bauer literally calling my boss to try to get me fired last year when I criticized him for including rapists & wage thieves on his list.

In other news, today is also the day I drop Four Roses from all my accounts because they hosted an event here in SF at a loving Chiarello restaurant. Ironically, the restaurant who's inclusion I was criticizing this time last year.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

I love that people seem to hate Soleil Ho just because she talks about minorities.

I liked the food at Coqueta but you could tell just from watching his TV shows that Michael Chiarello is a major creep.

idiotsavant
Jun 4, 2000
I feel like you’re probably doing something right if Bauer is/was trying to get you fired. What a turd. I can only imagine how much more interesting the SF dining scene could have been without him sandbagging menus for 15 years. Not that menus now are boring, just that a better critic probably could have pushed things even farther forward.

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SHVPS4DETH
Mar 19, 2009

seen so much i'm going blind
and i'm brain-dead virtually





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imagine a food critic being influential beyond getting a VIP table where they get the same food as everyone else

(this is me acknowledging that the midwest is a suckheap and nothing further)

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