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PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



MrYenko posted:

I’m jealous of people who are short enough to take advantage of airline headrests and armrests. Sleeping in one is completely impossible for me.

Ugh. Yes.

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luminalflux
May 27, 2005



KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

you down with trucks because Volvo Mack is right there

My dad used to work there as an IT project manager for warranty systems. Dunno how much engineering is there, it's mostly their local HQ - production is in New River Valley VA and Hagerstown MD. Volvo's US HQ is in GSO since it's halfway between the plants and Oriental, NC because the swedes (specifically, from Gothenburg) fukken love sailing and Oriental is a nice sailing harbor.

ApathyGifted
Aug 30, 2004
Tomorrow?

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

you down with trucks because Volvo Mack is right there

I already applied there and haven't heard anything back. Only one of my contacts there works in my field and he's been living up to his reputation of never checking his messages.

I've got a more reliable contact at BE in Winston-Salem but their applications require you to put in an amount for salary request and I refuse to low-ball myself. I might have better luck this go around because I went through the Collins (yay mergers) job portal this time, and they don't require that.

And if I haven't gotten anything within the next 6 months I'll go back to Honda, because all the managers who would have been there to remember laying me off will have been turned over.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

Midjack posted:

The original video is better, though I like GUNSHIP’s music:

https://youtu.be/AjXr9Nj5ZbI

Wow, I'd only ever seen the GUNSHIP video and had no idea the animation was sourced from somewhere else. Thanks for clearing that up!

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Kesper North posted:

Wow, I'd only ever seen the GUNSHIP video and had no idea the animation was sourced from somewhere else. Thanks for clearing that up!

Paths of Hate is loving amazing. But so is Gunship! I'll treasure my signed copies of Dark All Day for ever. I still stand firm that "When You Grow Up, Your Heart Dies" is a masterpiece of all the feels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri9IefTuNzc

Humphreys fucked around with this message at 11:34 on Jun 26, 2019

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



MrYenko posted:

I’m jealous of people who are short enough to take advantage of airline headrests and armrests. Sleeping in one is completely impossible for me.

I'm 6'8 and am somehow blessed with the gift of being able to fold myself up into an origami form that allows me to always be comfy sleeping on planes. Even the 4 Embraer hops I do a year

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

luminalflux posted:

My dad used to work there as an IT project manager for warranty systems. Dunno how much engineering is there, it's mostly their local HQ - production is in New River Valley VA and Hagerstown MD. Volvo's US HQ is in GSO since it's halfway between the plants and Oriental, NC because the swedes (specifically, from Gothenburg) fukken love sailing and Oriental is a nice sailing harbor.

decent amount of engineering there these days

marumaru
May 20, 2013



What plane is this?

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

I can't say for sure due to the image being the size of that upside down plane postage stamp on my monitor, but my guess would be an ATR72

Babies Getting Rabies
Apr 21, 2007

Sugartime Jones

MrYenko posted:

I’m jealous of people who are short enough to take advantage of airline headrests and armrests. Sleeping in one is completely impossible for me.

I don't think anybody's short enough to sleep in a head- or armrest. :v:

Inacio posted:

What plane is this?



Dornier 328.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Vorkosigan posted:

"A 72-year-old man from Alberta"

:corsair:

"Ah went solo at 9 haaaurs, ah'm a good pilot all these young whippersnappers don't know what they're doing!"

Doing re-currency flights with some of these old-timers as an instructor has been an eye-opening and pants-making GBS threads experience, I'll tell you what!

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.

PT6A posted:

"Ah went solo at 9 haaaurs, ah'm a good pilot all these young whippersnappers don't know what they're doing!"

Doing re-currency flights with some of these old-timers as an instructor has been an eye-opening and pants-making GBS threads experience, I'll tell you what!

One of my instructors told me a story about doing a rental checkout with a guy who had learned to fly somewhere in the Florida swamps back in the late 60s. We are in the SF Bay area. He said that the guy's airmanship was not bad, but he fumbled the very first call to ground to request taxi permission, and then when he had to make an airspace transition and call a different tower in midair he just completely froze up and wasn't able to handle the radios for the rest of the flight. Forty years of only flying at untowered airports in class E/G doesn't prepare you for this, it turns out



Like yeah, maybe the four fundamentals haven't changed since the Wright brothers, but a hell of a lot of the other stuff involved in aviation sure has.

Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Jun 26, 2019

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit
I’ve taught at towered and non-towered airports and let me tell you, the slight extra cost involved with the marginal time sink of dealing with a towered field during training is 100% worth it. The non-towered guys were absolutely lost trying to transition to a towered field, no matter how much we went over it beforehand.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
^^^^ Also, very much this.

Sagebrush posted:

One of my instructors told me a story about doing a rental checkout with a guy who had learned to fly somewhere in the Florida swamps back in the late 60s. We are in the SF Bay area. He said that the guy's airmanship was not bad, but he fumbled the very first call to ground to request taxi permission, and then when he had to make an airspace transition and call a different tower in midair he just completely froze up and wasn't able to handle the radios for the rest of the flight. Forty years of only flying at untowered airports in class E/G doesn't prepare you for this, it turns out



Like yeah, maybe the four fundamentals haven't changed since the Wright brothers, but a hell of a lot of the other stuff involved in aviation sure has.

Yeah, there's a few issues here:

1) Someone with a lot of "drilling holes in the sky" experience in simple airspace in great weather might have a lot of hours in the logbook, but not all hours are the same. A multi-IFR rated instructor or aerial inspection pilot with 500 hours might well be able to handle a lot of situations better than someone with 1000 hours who's spent most of that time in a single type, flying the same flights over and over again.

2) (Assuming this guy might not have flown recently elsewhere) different skills degrade at different rates. I have a student right now whose previous flight was literally 4 decades ago. Some things came back really quickly. Some things decidedly did not. It wasn't exactly the same as training a brand new student, but I definitely have to watch out for situations where one skill is beyond where I'd expect a new student to be, but another skill could be way, way behind. Same thing when I came back to flying after 10 years. Basic stuff came back very quickly. The small details often did not, and I really had to watch that I didn't put myself in a situation where my overall airmanship was solid but another aspect of my flying was weak.

3) I don't give a gently caress what the standards were in the 70s, now we expect you to know poo poo like "what the mixture control does and why we use it" and we expect you to be able to handle slow flight, stalls, steep turns, slips, and all that other poo poo, before we go out and "do a few circuits" and send you on your merry loving way, and no amount of telling me how few hours you went solo with is going to change that! I mean, I'm impressed that you didn't die, but times change and we have higher standards now.

4) For guys that have flown actively all that time, but without any kind of external input on their skills, that's a shitton of time to build up some seriously bad habits. Instead of looking at annual checkouts or recurrency flights as some kind of awful imposition on your god-given right to gently caress around in the sky, please look at them as an opportunity to assess your skills and become a better, safer pilot. No pilot is so great they can't benefit from having another pilot evaluate their strengths and weaknesses, whether you have 70 hours, 700 hours or 7,000 hours.

a patagonian cavy
Jan 12, 2009

UUA CVG 230000 KZID /RM TODAY IS THE FIRST DAY OF THE BENGALS DYNASTY

e.pilot posted:

I’ve taught at towered and non-towered airports and let me tell you, the slight extra cost involved with the marginal time sink of dealing with a towered field during training is 100% worth it. The non-towered guys were absolutely lost trying to transition to a towered field, no matter how much we went over it beforehand.

Sometimes Boeing Field is affected by a stadium TFR so we go do pattern work at Renton. If everything's south flow, you takeoff, turn crosswind, count to 20, and then reduce power to enter on a right base to 16 at Renton, normally switching to Renton Tower once you get to 1,000'. You're also supposed to find time in there to pick up Renton's ATIS, but you normally don't.

It doesn't matter who you are, you screw it up the first time. And getting a student pilot to handle any of it is absolutely a fool's errand.

Approximate flight path:

GlassEye-Boy
Jul 12, 2001
So the super complex Bay Area flight map reminded me of a question I had. So what is everyone's take on all the air taxi startups that have popped up? Real potential or something that'll never get past the technical and regulatory hurdles?

marumaru
May 20, 2013




Awesome, thanks!

Managed to find the real plane:

[-image doesnt seem to work, just believe me i guess-]

And what I believe is the one pictured in that tiny image:

https://www.virtualcol.com/shop/consola/vstore.php?modulo=detailp&id_producto=78

marumaru fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Jun 26, 2019

slothrop
Dec 7, 2006

Santa Alpha, Fox One... Gifts Incoming ~~~>===|>

Soiled Meat
Sorry for the lack of pictures, just had a Gulfstream V take off over my head and into the setting sun. That’s a goddamn nice looking plane from directly behind

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Tale from the Museum: I was helping out an old gent with our simulator, turns out he's ex-RCAF. He flew C-47s and T-33s. I asked him if the DC-3 was as neutral and forgiving to fly as I've read, and he confirmed this, though he said it was slow to respond to pretty much all control inputs - something that the DC-8 shared, for some reason.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.

GlassEye-Boy posted:

So the super complex Bay Area flight map reminded me of a question I had. So what is everyone's take on all the air taxi startups that have popped up? Real potential or something that'll never get past the technical and regulatory hurdles?

You mean like the Uber autonomous electric drone thing they're always bullshitting about? Zero potential in the form they've proposed.

https://d1a3f4spazzrp4.cloudfront.net/elevate/web/elevate/vision/Uber_Air_desk.mp4

"It's much quicker to get from San Francisco to San Jose if you just bust straight through the center of SFO's class bravo airspace"

e: and averaging 160 knots from an electric VTOL too lmao

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Sagebrush posted:

You mean like the Uber autonomous electric drone thing they're always bullshitting about? Zero potential in the form they've proposed.

https://d1a3f4spazzrp4.cloudfront.net/elevate/web/elevate/vision/Uber_Air_desk.mp4

"It's much quicker to get from San Francisco to San Jose if you just bust straight through the center of SFO's class bravo airspace"

“Not caring” really opens up a lot of options, I find.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
They should have a commuter service that launches tech executives on a ballistic trajectory (out to sea)

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

GlassEye-Boy posted:

So the super complex Bay Area flight map reminded me of a question I had. So what is everyone's take on all the air taxi startups that have popped up? Real potential or something that'll never get past the technical and regulatory hurdles?

The videos shown are technically impossible. From a regulatory standpoint they're just helicopters doing on demand charters. Thats kind of complicated in congested areas but it can be made to work in places like NYC. It will not be cheap.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

hobbesmaster posted:

The videos shown are technically impossible. From a regulatory standpoint they're just helicopters doing on demand charters. Thats kind of complicated in congested areas but it can be made to work in places like NYC. It will not be cheap.

But what if we get the pilots to pay for everything :smug:

e: skip all those burdensome safety regulations/pilot certification

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Well, I mean, it depends what you mean by air taxi services. Autonomous bullshit based on technology that doesn't actually exist and a complete ignorance of applicable regulations? Dead in the water, and if it ever gets off the ground, the costs will be immense in money and lives. "Uber, but for planes" where low-time pilots offer charters ad-hoc in lovely piston singles? An incredibly bad idea with limited appeal, and probably in violation of a huge number of regulations on commercial air services. Again, an invitation for an FAA rear end-pounding and likely to be an economic failure that costs lives in the process.

On the other hand, I think the use of appropriate technology and new aircraft types, combined with an increasing concentration of wealth in the hands of moderately rich people, opens up some interesting possibilities in terms of legitimate air taxi services. VLJs and high-performance turbine singles have expanded the possible market for "unconventional" commercial air services, and technology has opened new avenues for marketing and connection people with charter operators. I think you could make a fairly solid business plan around something like that, although as with everything in aviation, it would probably lose money. Assuming it operated within current regulations, it would be both possible and likely quite safe.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Nebakenezzer posted:

But what if we get the pilots to pay for everything :smug:

e: skip all those burdensome safety regulations/pilot certification

AMRAAMs are well proved vs helicopters so

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
Man flies drone over Raptors celebration of thousands of people, posts video, transport canada declines to look into it stating “not enough evidence”

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/raptors-celebration-drone-footage-1.5189772

Do whatever I guess!

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.
I've seen anti-drone proposals involving trained falcons, EMP rifles, and net launchers but I have yet to see ANY of those in action and I'm frankly really disappointed.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
I’d worry about the safety of the falcons as they have difficulty with the modern world at the best of times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgVz6EEjJtc
Nsfw language (ozzy swearing)

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

PT6A posted:

Well, I mean, it depends what you mean by air taxi services. Autonomous bullshit based on technology that doesn't actually exist and a complete ignorance of applicable regulations? Dead in the water, and if it ever gets off the ground, the costs will be immense in money and lives. "Uber, but for planes" where low-time pilots offer charters ad-hoc in lovely piston singles? An incredibly bad idea with limited appeal, and probably in violation of a huge number of regulations on commercial air services. Again, an invitation for an FAA rear end-pounding and likely to be an economic failure that costs lives in the process.

On the other hand, I think the use of appropriate technology and new aircraft types, combined with an increasing concentration of wealth in the hands of moderately rich people, opens up some interesting possibilities in terms of legitimate air taxi services. VLJs and high-performance turbine singles have expanded the possible market for "unconventional" commercial air services, and technology has opened new avenues for marketing and connection people with charter operators. I think you could make a fairly solid business plan around something like that, although as with everything in aviation, it would probably lose money. Assuming it operated within current regulations, it would be both possible and likely quite safe.

One of the previous airlines I flew for seemed to be doing pretty well with the PC12. I could see that expanding to more niche markets beyond EAS. It only costs about $500/hr to operate, including fuel. That works out to roughly $0.25 a mile per person if it’s a full flight.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Midjack posted:

“Not caring” really opens up a lot of options, I find.

its called "disruption" friend

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Sagebrush posted:

I've seen anti-drone proposals involving trained falcons, EMP rifles, and net launchers but I have yet to see ANY of those in action and I'm frankly really disappointed.

WIRED did a whole video comparing several options.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlGdPrhRvBA

Turns out the cheapest option, a shotgun shells filled with nets, is the msot effective against basically all types of multirotor drones, whether shielded with cages or not. Runs about $10/shot, hilariously cheap compared to falcons and EMP rifles of dubious FCC clearance.

EDIT: My bad they only showed tests of a few options there. I cant recall where I saw the EMP guns but they didnt work great.

CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Jun 26, 2019

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
Hell yeah sign me up for shotgunning drones out of the air with net rounds

Sitting in a drone blind, with a drone call ~2400baud modem connection noises~

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


priznat posted:

Hell yeah sign me up for shotgunning drones out of the air with net rounds

Sitting in a drone blind, with a drone call ~2400baud modem connection noises~

Your robot son will complain about having to pick bits of net out of his drone capacitor stew.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Oops

https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/statu...r%3D2022%23pti1

Zhanism
Apr 1, 2005
Death by Zhanism. So Judged.

What are the redundancies in these systems? Do other planes have issues where a failed microprocessor would cause the same issue?

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

CarForumPoster posted:

WIRED did a whole video comparing several options.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlGdPrhRvBA

Turns out the cheapest option, a shotgun shells filled with nets, is the msot effective against basically all types of multirotor drones, whether shielded with cages or not. Runs about $10/shot, hilariously cheap compared to falcons and EMP rifles of dubious FCC clearance.

EDIT: My bad they only showed tests of a few options there. I cant recall where I saw the EMP guns but they didnt work great.

Can't watch the video right now, but what about shotgun shells filled with shot? Maybe it takes a few more rounds but I bet it would be less than :10bux:.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


You can trim a 767 nose down by transmitting on the HF if the coax is shot! :v:

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Wingnut Ninja posted:

Can't watch the video right now, but what about shotgun shells filled with shot? Maybe it takes a few more rounds but I bet it would be less than :10bux:.

Shot travels pretty far and would be especially risky someplace you’d wanna shoot down a drone like an airport or outdoor concert or whatever.

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Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Wingnut Ninja posted:

Can't watch the video right now, but what about shotgun shells filled with shot? Maybe it takes a few more rounds but I bet it would be less than :10bux:.

Bola net potato cannon!

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