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That scramble led to a free for the Dutch because you had people kicking wildly for the ball right underneath a player who had fallen over, come on. It’s textbook dangerous play, even if you consider it gamesmanship for the Dutch player to have fallen on the ball in the first place.
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Jun 25, 2019 22:10
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skasion posted:That scramble led to a free for the Dutch because you had people kicking wildly for the ball right underneath a player who had fallen over, come on. It’s textbook dangerous play, even if you consider it gamesmanship for the Dutch player to have fallen on the ball in the first place. They were entitled to kick the ball, she can't shield it like that. You can't fall on the ball! It's no more innocent than the Japanese player who was carded and the Dutch given a penalty kick for a 'trying-to-avoid' handball.
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Jun 25, 2019 22:10
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Grimson posted:And moving down behind her back. This new pen rule is insane. Just lob it into a defenders arm in the penalty area and hey you get a pen, you get a pen! And you get a pen too!
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Jun 25, 2019 22:21
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Aggro posted:Interestingly this call would result in an indirect kick in the box which I fully support seeing more of IFKs are cool and good and probably should happen more often.
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Jun 26, 2019 00:59
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habeasdorkus posted:IFKs are cool and good and probably should happen more often. Yeah, there's nothing like seeing defenders constantly rushing towards the kicker before the whistle is even blown.
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Jun 26, 2019 01:10
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I just watched the replay of Netherlands-Japan and that handball call was bullshit. And then later a Dutch defender laid down on top of the ball and the ref blew the whistle and gave possession to the Netherlands?!? What the hell was that garbage?
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Jun 26, 2019 02:17
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:I just watched the replay of Netherlands-Japan and that handball call was bullshit. And then later a Dutch defender laid down on top of the ball and the ref blew the whistle and gave possession to the Netherlands?!? What the hell was that garbage? racism
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Jun 26, 2019 02:22
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So the Dutch are gonna try to Maltese Cat their way to the final. Nice, nice.
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Jun 26, 2019 06:19
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:I just watched the replay of Netherlands-Japan and that handball call was bullshit. And then later a Dutch defender laid down on top of the ball and the ref blew the whistle and gave possession to the Netherlands?!? What the hell was that garbage? 
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Jun 26, 2019 09:44
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No I meant like, isn’t there a rule against literally just lying down on top of the ball? Especially in front of your own goal?
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Jun 26, 2019 11:14
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:No I meant like, isn’t there a rule against literally just lying down on top of the ball? Especially in front of your own goal? Anyway I rewatched that moment, and it's a bit tricky to make out due to the angle and the kind of low-res footage I've got here, but it looks to me like this is what happened: first the Japanese player lost her footing, then Van der Gragt as she stretched out a leg to reach the ball, and as she was already on her knees and about to fall over the ball rolled toward Van der Gragt (maybe propelled by a final touch by the Japanese player, I can't really tell). She didn't look like making contact with the ball except for it bumping against her knees, and it rolled under her just as she was already bent over. As it did, though, she promptly raised herself up again, but as this was going on another Japanese player was kicking her from behind and I expect that's why the ref called a foul. While I suppose it's possible that Van der Gragt did deliberately fall over to shield the ball, I'm not convinced she did - especially because of her reaction. And yes, she did fall over a second time, but that was after being kicked (again) by that Japanese player and more importantly after the referee had whistled. And it should be stressed that at no point before the whistle did Van der Gragt actually lie on top of the ball - if those two Japanese players around her had kept both their heads and their balance (and maybe if Spitse and Van Lunteren hadn't been standing right next to Van der Gragt), they could've knocked the ball away from her.
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Jun 26, 2019 12:47
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I also think it's debatable whether the ref was wrong to award a penalty, given Miedema's real goal-scoring opportunity and the Japanese player's body shape, with her arms stretched wide like that:
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Jun 26, 2019 13:08
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Obstruction is only a foul if the player obstructing can’t play the ball. Otherwise everyone who ever shepherded a long ball out of play would be committing a foul. I think the only foul you could actually call on Van der Gragt in that situation would have been dangerous play — it seems bizarre and I don’t know when I’ve ever seen it called, but according to the rules if you put yourself deliberately into a position where you are in danger, you can be called for it.
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https://twitter.com/RichJLaverty/status/1143816059922845696 Uh oh, England
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Sombrerotron posted:I also think it's debatable whether the ref was wrong to award a penalty, given Miedema's real goal-scoring opportunity and the Japanese player's body shape, with her arms stretched wide like that: It's a stone cold penalty. That's exactly the situation in which you see players tucking their arms tightly by their side in order to mot give a penalty away.
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General Probe posted:It's a stone cold penalty. That's exactly the situation in which you see players tucking their arms tightly by their side in order to mot give a penalty away. The defender was in the process of doing just that.
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General Probe posted:It's a stone cold penalty. That's exactly the situation in which you see players tucking their arms tightly by their side in order to mot give a penalty away. That screenshot is very misleading, if you watch it in motion it isn’t so clear cut
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I dont know if someone has a gif of it but I just watched the replay and it still looks like she splays her arms out.
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Jun 26, 2019 16:21
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She’s very close to the ball, like a yard away, which is why her arms are outstretched. They’re still outstretched and it’s still a penalty. Ref was right there, saw it clearly, had no doubt about it.
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Can't believe that Twitter journo coughed into an envelope and sent it to the England camp. Either way that doesn't sound good. The defence was extremely iffy against Cameroon (many people seem to have argued that it was because they were shaken up by what was going on, idk about that) but everything I've watched seems to suggest that Bright and Houghton are probably still the best options they have. RIP England, conquered by Vikings once again.
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I'm sad I don't have any World Cup matches to watch today, but I've already put in my time off and made reservations at my local sports bar to watch the US v. France game on Friday. Also a little sad it's the US and Europe for the rest of the way, but I'm glad to see that European teams as a whole are all getting much better pretty quickly. The deeper things are the more fun the major tournaments will be. Plus, every team except the US has Olympic qualification to fight for, and only two or three will make it. It'll really suck for France if the US wins Friday, since they'd then be out of the Tokyo Olympics too.
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I would imagine UEFA will make changes to that soon enough, but it would be a real bummer for France to go from joint favorites as hosts, to missing out on a major tournament entirely.
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habeasdorkus posted:It'll really suck for France if the US wins Friday, since they'd then be out of the Tokyo Olympics too. how does this work?
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:how does this work? UEFA is using this tournament as its Olympic qualifier, so only the top three European teams here qualify for the next Olympics. There are seven European teams left, so the ones that lose in the quarterfinals are out of the Olympics.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:how does this work? The top three finishing European teams make it to the Olympics. I'm not sure what the tiebreakers would have been, but it won't matter since European teams will be at least three out of the four ranked finishers. Should the US get bounced by France, though, there's gonna be something for the third place match participants to play for since the women's national teams treat the Olympics as a big, big deal.* * My recollection from the 2011/2012 and 2015/2016 cycles is that the World Cup is 1a and the Olympics is 1b and basically everything else is like 3 or worse. I know at the very least the USWNT takes it hella seriously and were deeply embarrassed by going out to Sweden in the quarterfinals during the Rio games.
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^^^  habeasdorkus posted:The top three finishing European teams make it to the Olympics. I'm not sure what the tiebreakers would have been, but it won't matter since European teams will be at least three out of the four ranked finishers. Looks like the final standings use the same tiebreaker scheme as the group stages (points-->GD-->GF), just broken up based on where you were eliminated. I'm just basing that off of this, so it could be entirely different for the WWC because lol FIFA. whypick1 fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Jun 26, 2019 |
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Terminally Bored posted:https://twitter.com/ErickFernandez/status/1143597136988332035 Pinoe might not be the world class player she used to be, but she's still loving awesome. US Soccer shat it's diaper when she started kneeling during the anthem in 2016 and outright changed the rules to prohibit the protest.
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Arsecast does episodes occasionally about the Arsenal women's team, and in the most recent one they were discussing goalkeeping in the World Cup and claimed that most professional clubs don't have full-time professional goalkeeping coaches. Not sure if that's true but it seemed relevant to the discussion we were having itt about goalkeeping many moons ago.
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How many people in this thread follow a domestic women's league? Or even have a domestic league to follow?
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Milan have done a really great job promoting their women’s team since they bought it this year. I only managed to catch a few games this year, though. If I had the time I’d probably try to watch more. It’s difficult living in the wrong country.
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I'm vaguely aware that there's a women's league in Scotland and that there's an Aberdeen FC but I've never watched any of the games. I think most of the good Scottish players are in other leagues.
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highme posted:How many people in this thread follow a domestic women's league? Or even have a domestic league to follow? I used to go to Boston Breakers games a couple times a year when I lived in Boston, but they unfortunately shut down. 
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highme posted:How many people in this thread follow a domestic women's league? Or even have a domestic league to follow? I follow Reign FC in the NWSL. My wife has family in Seattle and I think Rapinoe owns so it was an easy choice when I first got into soccer.
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habeasdorkus posted:I used to go to Boston Breakers games a couple times a year when I lived in Boston, but they unfortunately shut down.
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NWSL games are relatively easy to watch in the US. They stream a lot of stuff on various apps and services, it's either free or something most people have access to, though the streaming quality leaves something to be desired. It's hard to get invested in a specific team unless you live near one, especially since most of us are so familiar with the national team players. If Rapinoe is playing against Heath I'm not gonna pick a side. I follow the Arsenal women pretty closely but it's pretty difficult to watch their games. I've only been able to find a few decent streams.
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