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Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

CommonShore posted:

Hey I'm thinking bout going to Austria/Czech or something like that in July. I like to eat and look at old stuff. I've never been to Europe. We're looking at going there because we hope it won't be too hot compared to some other places we could go.

1) Are those places good in July?
2) Is there good stuff for eat and looking at?
3) What is good stuff there?

1) Prague will be overrun with tourists but still probably fine (I’ve never been in midsummer). Vienna’s nice, it does often get crazy hot though, like sustained days of high 30s, so if you’re sensitive to that make sure to specifically find a hotel with AC. Very few Airbnb’s would have AC.

2) yes

3) no shortages of palaces in and near Vienna, food scene there is okay although I’m not really a fan of the local / native cuisine for that part of Europe, but there’s certainly a lot of options especially in Vienna.

How long of a trip? For one week doing 3 days Prague 4 Vienna would be pretty solid. For two weeks you might want to do daytrips like Kutna Hora or spend 2-3 days in the Alps, like go to Fieberbrunn, hike around, but depends where you’re from and if you’ve spent much time in like, Colorado.

Don’t bother with Bratislava.

Don’t try to do too much, and never spend less than 3 days in a major city.

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CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Saladman posted:

1) Prague will be overrun with tourists but still probably fine (I’ve never been in midsummer). Vienna’s nice, it does often get crazy hot though, like sustained days of high 30s, so if you’re sensitive to that make sure to specifically find a hotel with AC. Very few Airbnb’s would have AC.

2) yes

3) no shortages of palaces in and near Vienna, food scene there is okay although I’m not really a fan of the local / native cuisine for that part of Europe, but there’s certainly a lot of options especially in Vienna.

How long of a trip? For one week doing 3 days Prague 4 Vienna would be pretty solid. For two weeks you might want to do daytrips like Kutna Hora or spend 2-3 days in the Alps, like go to Fieberbrunn, hike around, but depends where you’re from and if you’ve spent much time in like, Colorado.

Don’t bother with Bratislava.

Don’t try to do too much, and never spend less than 3 days in a major city.

Thanks! That's really helpful. We're going for like 2 weeks. Probably buying some tickets tonight. Will report!

Cheesemaster200
Feb 11, 2004

Guard of the Citadel
I will be in Gengenbach Germany for three days in July but haven't really planned much out. I was planning on just winging it and asking for recommendations on nice towns to do day trips from. That being said, does anyone have any suggestions?

Doctor Malaver
May 23, 2007

Ce qui s'est passé t'a rendu plus fort

Budapest was discussed a few weeks ago, you'll find some helpful posts.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


so i just kinda assumed i could get from transylvania to ukraine, but I underestimated the lengths it seems. Has anyone made the trip from Cluj to Lviv? What little info I can get online seems to indicate roughly 20 hours of trains :suicide:

I might just pussy out and take a train to budapest, its only 8 hrs. Are there any other towns in Hungary worth visiting?

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

Evil SpongeBob posted:

Budapest

I'm here for 2 weeks for work. I have next weekend free and all week nights. I'm staying in the Hilton by the castle.

What's a must see?

I'm soloing this. I walked around and did the military museum today because I'm still jet lagged. Not too interested in the river party cruise or club scene because I'm old and married.

Budapest is great. Even if you're not into the party scene I'd say it's worth checking out one of the ruin pubs (literally pubs that were set up as squats in abandoned buildings). Szimpla Kert is one of the best ones, and if you go late afternoon or early evening it will be pretty relaxed. We even took our dog inside. You can get decent food in there too so go and grab a burger, drink a Hungarian beer or two while enjoying the atmosphere then head home.

There's two main bathhouses as well: Gellert and Szechenyi. Both are good in their own way; I personally preferred Szechenyi since when we went to Gellert it was packed with obnoxious American college students but we might've just been unlucky.

If you're into photography or old Socialist artwork, there's a place out in the western suburbs called Memento Park. It's where they stuck all the old Communist statues after 1989 so there's some fantastic Soviet realist stuff there.

Obviously check out the castle, the parliament and Fisherman's Bastion since that's right near your hotel. Make sure you catch the metro line A (or 1, I forget which). It's the one running directly under Andrassy Avenue from Deak Ferenc to Heroes Square. The stations all have this fantastic faded art deco feel to them and the accordion chime on the train when the doors close is just fantastic. It's also worth wandering a few blocks of Andrassy as imo it's one of the grandest boulevards in Europe and it's where the nicest old-school cafes are.

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.
Thanks to the three of you. Sounds like some good places.

Work is arranging a city tour for us Saturday. Free tour versus hang out with people I don't know....

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

so i just kinda assumed i could get from transylvania to ukraine, but I underestimated the lengths it seems. Has anyone made the trip from Cluj to Lviv? What little info I can get online seems to indicate roughly 20 hours of trains :suicide:

I might just pussy out and take a train to budapest, its only 8 hrs. Are there any other towns in Hungary worth visiting?

Forgot to reply to this earlier but Sopron and Gyor are both quite nice for a day or so. The Tokaj wine region in the far east of Hungary is also quite good, though I don't know how accessible it would be without a car.

I haven't done Romania to Ukraine but from memory a lot of the rail networks in the former Eastern Bloc were designed around getting troops to and from Moscow, rather than anywhere else. So rail travel outside of that can be a bit difficult, though I think Romanian trains are notoriously slow anyway.

Shy
Mar 20, 2010

Decided to postpone Munich and go to Rome instead. I think I'll be there late September or October, for 4 or 5 nights. Good hotels seem to be expensive so it will probably be an inn or similar. I'll be there with a coworker and I intend to spend most of that time looking at anything that was built 2000 years ago.
There appears to be a direct train from airport to the city, similar to CAT in Vienna, right?

Shy fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Jun 25, 2019

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.
Yep, there's the Leonardo Express that costs 15 euros direct between the airport and Termini station. If there's more than two of you a taxi will be cheaper since it's a fixed price into the city.

If you're into old Roman stuff, spend a day heading out to Ostia Antica, the port of ancient Rome. It's easy to access on the train, there's quite a bit to see, and it's way less crowded than the ancient areas of Rome proper. Harder to access but also worth seeing if you have time is Hadrian's Villa (Villa Adriana) at Tivoli on the outskirts of Rome. The term "villa" is misnomer as it's really more of an imperial city - Hadrian retired here and ran the empire from the palace here for the last 15 or so years of his life. Again - huge, interesting, and uncrowded.

Shy
Mar 20, 2010

Thanks, my initial plan was to remain within the city limits but it sounds very interesting.

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003

i'll be flying to prague and spending six nights in total in early september. i was planning on taking a train to dresden for part of the trip, should i plan for one night there or make it two?

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.
Current status in Budapest: heat wave and jet lag are killing my desire to check out the town. Work is done by 2pm-ish, but man it's like Miami summer here.

E: 92 high for today and tomorrow.

Evil SpongeBob fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Jun 26, 2019

Helios Grime
Jan 27, 2012

Where we are going we won't need shirts
Pillbug

Evil SpongeBob posted:

Current status in Budapest: heat wave and jet lag are killing my desire to check out the town. Work is done by 2pm-ish, but man it's like Miami summer here.

E: 92 high for today and tomorrow.

Be glad you are not more in the west of Europe right now.

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Evil SpongeBob posted:

Current status in Budapest: heat wave and jet lag are killing my desire to check out the town. Work is done by 2pm-ish, but man it's like Miami summer here.

E: 92 high for today and tomorrow.

Yeah, there are usually only one or two weeks in the entire summer that are like this, and you got it.

Mr. Wiggles
Dec 1, 2003

We are all drinking from the highball glass of ideology.
Looking to escape to Europe over Thanksgiving with my wife. We were thinking Germany/Austria if any Christmas markets have opened by then. We're not sold on anything though.

Any ideas about Europe on mid-late November? And we live in Vegas so we don't need to chase the sun or anything.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


Christmas markets usually start at the beginning of December, but there might be some starting the last weekend of November.

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Mr. Wiggles posted:

Looking to escape to Europe over Thanksgiving with my wife. We were thinking Germany/Austria if any Christmas markets have opened by then. We're not sold on anything though.

Any ideas about Europe on mid-late November? And we live in Vegas so we don't need to chase the sun or anything.

Not to be a downer but kind of a depressing time to go to that part of Europe, possibly the worst time. All the fall colors are gone, but there’s no snow, and no Christmas decorations yet.

IMO go to Spain or Italy or Greece or Morocco. Anything north of the Alps pretty much sucks in November. As a kid we exclusively went to Europe in November and while I remember being excited as a kid, I had an impression until I moved here as an adult that everything is always sad and grey and raining.

Pookah
Aug 21, 2008

🪶Caw🪶





Seconding Ostia - the day I spent there was the highlight of the week. I'm a classics grad who loves late republic/early empire Roman history so there were 1001 place and things I needed to see in the week I was in Rome, but Ostia was so big, and quiet and immersive, it managed to be the most evocative place of all. Since you're going offseason, it probably won't be crowded at all, but the weather will probably be still nice. I was there in January and got really lucky - weather was cool but very sunny.

Getting there is very easy - Piramide metro stop is right beside the local train station that takes you there in about half an hour.

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Indolent Bastard posted:

I've got an Air B&B near Parc de Bercy. I have been told that the Paris Pass can be very useful and that getting a transit pass is also a good plan.

If you're staying this long you can get a Navigo Decouverte to move around.
The full pass is 22.80 for a week (plus 5 for the card itself) and gets you unlimited access to the whole network .

unpacked robinhood fucked around with this message at 11:15 on Jun 26, 2019

dennyk
Jan 2, 2005

Cheese-Buyer's Remorse

Helios Grime posted:

Be glad you are not more in the west of Europe right now.


*laughs in Irish*

*closes window because it's getting too drat drafty in here*

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.

Saladman posted:

Yeah, there are usually only one or two weeks in the entire summer that are like this, and you got it.

Yup, 90 degree heat, 80% humidity, 10000 clueless tourists and 50 tour buses around my hotel. It's like I'm right back in summertime Washington DC. Weather should be much more tolerable in two days.

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Evil SpongeBob posted:

10000 clueless tourists and 50 tour buses around my hotel.

Those two things are pretty standard summer for Budapest/Prague/Venice/Florence/Barcelona/Amsterdam.

Hope you got a hotel with AC. Otherwise the dire lack of fans in Europe, 30°+ heat, and if you're within 1000 meters of a bar district, the nighttime noise, can make for a pretty rough visit.

That said, at least you're not in Basra. https://www.bbc.com/weather/99532 I keep Basra and Omsk (winter) on my weather app to remind myself that things could always be worse.

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.
I'm flying to Hanoi tomorrow - 36 degrees and "feels like" 48 :stare:

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
When I was at the Dead Sea a few weeks ago it was 46 degrees AND humid.

It was like walking through soup. We barely managed to be outside for 5 minutes at a time.

inscrutable horse
May 20, 2010

Parsing sage, rotating time



I was in India (Tamil Nadu) a few years ago during a heatwave. Every day was 35-45 degrees C. I'm pretty sure I actually died a couple of times.

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

I'm traveling counter-clockwise through Germany starting on July 9th, and navigating the country counterclockwise via Bacharach/Baden-Baden/Munich/Nurnberg/Dresden/Berlin. Munich and Berlin are the only cities on the itinerary for which I'll be staying multiple days. What should I check out, especially seeing as I'm a left-wing history/culture nerd?

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Yossarian-22 posted:

I'm traveling counter-clockwise through Germany starting on July 9th, and navigating the country counterclockwise via Bacharach/Baden-Baden/Munich/Nurnberg/Dresden/Berlin. Munich and Berlin are the only cities on the itinerary for which I'll be staying multiple days. What should I check out, especially seeing as I'm a left-wing history/culture nerd?

Heidelberg for sure. Also what’s in Baden-Baden? I’ve passed through several times on the train and remember looking up the city and don’t remember anything distinct about it besides that it has eponymous hot springs.

How long do you have? 12-14 days? Please don’t say 7 days.

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Saladman posted:

Heidelberg for sure. Also what’s in Baden-Baden? I’ve passed through several times on the train and remember looking up the city and don’t remember anything distinct about it besides that it has eponymous hot springs.

How long do you have? 12-14 days? Please don’t say 7 days.

July 9th-21st

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Yossarian-22 posted:

July 9th-21st

Bacharach -> Heidelberg -> Baden-Baden -> Munich -> Nuremburg -> Dresden -> Berlin

Sounds like a busy but feasible 12 day trip, giving you 3 days in Berlin, 2 in Munich, 1 day in each other place, and a couple extra days you can add if you want to stay in like, Dresden or the Rhine Valley longer. No idea about left wing stuff, but you can't throw a stone without hitting something historically interesting in any large German city besides Frankfurt.

Spermando
Jun 13, 2009
Me and three of my friends are going to Vienna and Budapest in a month. We live in Spain, so the tickets to Vienna aren't very expensive. We have about 6-7 days, so we are planning on doing day trips when we're there. What are some good places to see near those two cities that we can see in a day? My friends are not very keen on history, so I'd appreciate some suggestions about nightlife, bars, resorts and things like that.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


So because of the heat wave we decided to go to Scotland (via Gatwick + land travel) instead of Austria/Czech. We actually have tickets. Any suggestions for us now?

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

No plans for specific cities at all, and still two weeks? Time for a big tour around Scotland. Hotels in Edinburgh are probably really expensive already but don't miss it. I quite liked Inverness when I was there and it's a great hub for seeing the highlands, Loch Ness, some castle ruins, the battlefield of Culloden, even the Isle of Skye on a day trip. Hiking around Scotland is popular. Have immense breakfasts, drink plenty of whisky, and eat a haggis, it sounds intimidating and gross but it's just a particularly delicious sausage thing. Deep fried Mars bar is for tourists although you can get away with it by being one.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


My Lovely Horse posted:

No plans for specific cities at all, and still two weeks? Time for a big tour around Scotland. Hotels in Edinburgh are probably really expensive already but don't miss it. I quite liked Inverness when I was there and it's a great hub for seeing the highlands, Loch Ness, some castle ruins, the battlefield of Culloden, even the Isle of Skye on a day trip. Hiking around Scotland is popular. Have immense breakfasts, drink plenty of whisky, and eat a haggis, it sounds intimidating and gross but it's just a particularly delicious sausage thing. Deep fried Mars bar is for tourists although you can get away with it by being one.

We're filling in our itinerary now. My partner didn't get her vacation schedule confirmed til like a week ago, so it's all last minute.

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.
Definitely go to Isle of Skye, it's the best part of the Highlands though in July it will be pretty packed. Will probably need a car as well since I don't think there's much PT in that part of the world.

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

Spermando posted:

Me and three of my friends are going to Vienna and Budapest in a month. We live in Spain, so the tickets to Vienna aren't very expensive. We have about 6-7 days, so we are planning on doing day trips when we're there. What are some good places to see near those two cities that we can see in a day? My friends are not very keen on history, so I'd appreciate some suggestions about nightlife, bars, resorts and things like that.

There's a few posts about Budapest in the last page or two, so maybe check those out. It's a pretty good city for partying, though I dunno so much about Vienna. Typical day trips from Vienna will include Schonbrunn Palace, Bratislava, and maybe parts of the Danube.

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

CommonShore posted:

So because of the heat wave we decided to go to Scotland (via Gatwick + land travel) instead of Austria/Czech. We actually have tickets. Any suggestions for us now?

So you’re out of the frying pan, but into the clouds of midges. Bring insect repellent and if you see clouds of tiny black insects, run like hell. The bites don’t usually do much for a day or so but then they itch for weeks afterwards for many people. Other people have almost no reaction, but if you don’t know for yourselves then make sure to take precautions.

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice
Google Trips is shutting down, that's too bad. It wasn't super useful but the "things to do" and suggested itineraries part was nice. I hate how google just abandons stuff as soon as I get used to using it.

Helios Grime
Jan 27, 2012

Where we are going we won't need shirts
Pillbug
I still hate them for shutting down Inbox. It was really practical how it sorted all your travel and itinerary emails into one box.

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Shy
Mar 20, 2010

Vienna trip report



hail satan

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