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Lycus posted:What is different about "common and neuter" and two genders?
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Jun 26, 2019 10:52
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Lycus posted:What is different about "common and neuter" and two genders? Common: masculine and feminine have merged into one grammatical gender, neuter is retained. Two genders (on the map): neuter has fallen out of use, only masculine and feminine are left. Tei posted:I think genderless is a superior system. Is just distracting to give a gender to things like a lamp. I don't think it serves any function and it's a pain in the rear end when you're learning a language like German where there's almost no way of knowing which gender a word has other than memorization.
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Jun 26, 2019 10:55
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Guavanaut posted:Depends what you're doing with it haha
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Jun 26, 2019 11:14
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Grevling posted:I don't think it serves any function and it's a pain in the rear end when you're learning a language like German where there's almost no way of knowing which gender a word has other than memorization.
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Jun 26, 2019 11:17
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There are advantages to having several genders for things: 1. It helps people understand that gender is not the same thing as sex. 2. It can disambiguate pronouns. E.g. in English "if you put this gizmo in this thingamajig, it will do something" it's not clear if the "it" is the gizmo or the thingamajig.
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Jun 26, 2019 11:22
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Cat Mattress posted:There are advantages to having several genders for things: Languages without gender manage to convey 2 unambiguously so YOU SUCK LMAO.
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Jun 26, 2019 11:27
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It's almost as if languages aren't necessarily designed from the ground up for maximum logic and utility.
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Jun 26, 2019 11:38
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Language was a mistake.
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Jun 26, 2019 12:02
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Groke posted:It's almost as if languages aren't necessarily designed from the ground up for maximum logic and utility. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Jun 26, 2019 |
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Jun 26, 2019 12:03
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Cat Mattress posted:There are advantages to having several genders for things: “It” is the thingamajig. Proximity rules. Relying on a flip of a coin to give you nouns of differing genders is not great and certainly not worth the problems grammatical gender creates.
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Jun 26, 2019 12:04
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Groke posted:It's almost as if languages aren't necessarily designed from the ground up for maximum logic and utility. Toplowtech posted:Listen we could all speak Esperanto and live with it happy but languages built from the to top to the ground for maximum logic and utility are super nerdy and not cool apparently. Qapla'! Kennel posted:Language was a mistake.
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Jun 26, 2019 12:08
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Guavanaut posted:Let me tell you about loglan. 
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Jun 26, 2019 12:11
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Toplowtech posted:Listen we could all speak Esperanto and live with it happy but languages built from the to top to the ground for maximum logic and utility are super nerdy and not cool apparently. Qapla'! I am a gigantically uncool nerd myself but I've known, like, one Esperantist and that guy was beyond the uncool event horizon even from where I'm standing. So it goes.
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Jun 26, 2019 12:43
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I like it when languages aren't logical. Give me languages that are like ancient houses: kinda run-down, lived in by tons of different people, the architecture makes no sense because twenty consecutive generations continually built and rebuilt it, the stairs creak, the plumbing is in desperate need of an overhaul but nobody knows where the pipes actually *are*, some say that ghosts are haunting the basement... and people love it to death because of all that 
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Jun 26, 2019 13:15
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Mä aikoinaan pidin Englantia hienona kielenä mutta oikeastaan se on vain kasa jämiä mantereelta. Suomen kieli on hienompi, vähemmän jämiä. I used to think English is a great language but really it's just a bunch of junk from the continent. Finnish is much better, because it has less junk. Esperanto is a failed language, because it has no culture, no mythology, no life. Quenya, Klingon and Dothraki, are all better and have more life in them than Esperanto. *I still like English partly because of the junk
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Jun 26, 2019 13:18
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Platystemon posted:Relying on a flip of a coin to give you nouns of differing genders is not great and certainly not worth the problems grammatical gender creates. Counterpoint: we can laugh at the mistakes non-native speakers do, and that's worth every inconvenience.
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Jun 26, 2019 13:21
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the only language worth its salt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3OZCXyrbTY
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Jun 26, 2019 13:26
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BXSkigN45w
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Jun 26, 2019 13:36
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doverhog posted:*I still like English partly because of the junk Yeah, it's kind of cute in a cartoon version of Frankenstein's Monster kind of way, ill-fitting parts all stitched together.
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Jun 26, 2019 13:39
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Weep, ye mortals, and listen to the language of the gods: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEkI0cH_rK4 (In the original they're speaking AAVE, which for the German dub was replaced by them speaking a really thick Bavarian )
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Jun 26, 2019 13:39
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English speakers talking about gendered language like it’s dumb, when it uses so many uncountable nouns. Why can’t I have 2 breads, or talk about the advices I receive, or go do my homeworks?
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Jun 26, 2019 13:54
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Redczar posted:English speakers talking about gendered language like it’s dumb, when it uses so many uncountable nouns. Why can’t I have 2 breads, or talk about the advices I receive, or go do my homeworks? You can have two breads though. Rye and white for instance. You can have multiple advices, but typically in a business or law context. And you can certainly have multiple homeworks.
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Jun 26, 2019 14:02
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Honestly english is great because it's so complicated that no one makes fun of bad english anymore, it's just par for the course. Maybe a little ribbing but not like actual anger like you can get for loving up mandarin or french.
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Jun 26, 2019 14:21
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Basically we have a global lingua franca these days, and it's bad English. Being able to speak bad English is very useful, and the marginal benefit of improving your English beyond bad through good and towards perfect shrinks quite noticeably as your skill improves.
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Jun 26, 2019 14:26
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English can get fun when you contort it. Like I'dn't've thought contractions could be so useful.
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Jun 26, 2019 14:39
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There's a successful international language spoken by many people, it's called METAR. It's used to describe a weather situation. All you would have to add would be a letter or number code for tense and you could use METAR to tell allegorical stories to express yourself. For instance a METAR valentine for your sweetie might say inside the card The past: a snowy day at Des Moines International Airport. Many degrees below freezing, heavy winds, low visibility. The present: a sunny day at Miami International Airport. Perfect temperature. Just a little wind. You can see very far down the runway.
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Jun 26, 2019 14:53
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I was curious about a bunch of war stuff today and I thought I'd share some maps I looked at, have at it.  Conscription:   Number of military personnel:  Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty:  
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Jun 26, 2019 15:13
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Toplowtech posted:Listen we could all speak Esperanto and live with it happy but languages built from the to top to the ground for maximum logic and utility are super nerdy and not cool apparently. Qapla'! Esperanto is poo poo Italian invented by extremely racist Europeans and it sucks in every way imaginable. It isn't even phonemically spelled SMHD.
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Jun 26, 2019 15:26
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latino sino flexione solves that issue by having a history to draw on but not involving slavs in any wayKamrat posted:I was curious about a bunch of war stuff today and I thought I'd share some maps I looked at, have at it. i could have sworn turkey had mandatory service of some form
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Jun 26, 2019 15:33
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Also Frank Esperanto (the guy who took Wolapük and made it even worse) was so suck-lovely he ended up in the only Esperantese Sci-Fi novel I know of. He destroyed all life on earth except a guy and a baltic herring.
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Jun 26, 2019 15:35
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Tree Goat posted:latino sino flexione solves that issue by having a history to draw on but not involving slavs in any way yeah i knew a dude in high school who had to do his turkish service, though maybe it's only for dual citizens?
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Jun 26, 2019 15:40
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Kurtofan posted:yeah i knew a dude in high school who had to do his turkish service, though maybe it's only for dual citizens? Janissary detected
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Jun 26, 2019 15:44
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Groke posted:Basically we have a global lingua franca these days, and it's bad English. Being able to speak bad English is very useful, and the marginal benefit of improving your English beyond bad through good and towards perfect shrinks quite noticeably as your skill improves. It depends on your field, n'est-ce pas? Speaking bad English is very useful when you're trying to get an international business deal done, but if you're an anthropologist giving a talk at a conference I imagine you'd definitely want to up your English game.
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Jun 26, 2019 15:49
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Most of the people you think (because you're a horrible racist) speak "bad English" speak better English than you ever will. HTH.
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Jun 26, 2019 15:51
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Tree Goat posted:i could have sworn turkey had mandatory service of some form It's copied straight from wikipedia, it appears to be last edited today with this source attached here. This is the old map: 
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Jun 26, 2019 15:54
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Perhaps a less value-laden way of phrasing this would be "functional English." Whether English is bad or good depends, of course, on what you're trying to achieve. I, personally, am hoping to use language to achieve social status as befits my magnificent peerage.
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Jun 26, 2019 15:55
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Jehde posted:English can get fun when you contort it. Like I'dn't've thought contractions could be so useful. Ya'll'll've come to regret it one day
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Jun 26, 2019 15:59
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Jerry Cotton posted:Most of the people you think (because you're a horrible racist) speak "bad English" speak better English than you ever will. HTH. Actually, no, they don't. English isn't even my first language, I do speak it better than the vast majority of people for whom it is a second language, though. This is not because I'm a racist but because I've had a lot of practice at it. By comparison, my third language is German, at which I am horribly, comically bad despite taking it for years in school (because school was ages ago and I've not had one-thousandth as much practice as I have had with English) and can barely manage to communicate simple concepts, and half-way follow speaking heads on TV when they're reading the news slowly and clearly. And I don't even have a fourth language.
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Jun 26, 2019 16:00
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With a heatwave comming to europe, maybe is a good idea to post this extremely cool website https://www.ventusky.com/?p=40.6;6.5;5&l=temperature-2m
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Jun 26, 2019 16:46
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Kamrat posted:Number of military personnel:
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