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codenameFANGIO
May 4, 2012

What are you even booing here?

Dawgstar posted:

He did it to hide identifying tattoos because of the "danger" he was in. No lie.

I have never seen someone get so much mileage out of a random joke made by a random nobody seriously like six months ago. No one is coming after this dude, he’s just afraid of consequences for being a lovely person.

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Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

I'm loving dying at 'Pube Santa'

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

https://twitter.com/renfamous/status/1143862828656484352

One can't help but feel that an practiced or good lawyer would have A) chimed in at certain points to make things better for his client and B) known to stand up to talk to the judge.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Someone could be a better defender via playing Ace Attorney, dear God.

Soonmot
Dec 19, 2002

Entrapta fucking loves robots




Grimey Drawer
My only last experience is from watching TV and even I know you stand when addressing the court.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
checks listing for today



oh

quote:

(W) Dave Sim (A) Dave Sim, Gustave Dore (CA) Benjamin Hobbs
Epic-Length All-In-One 24-Page Issue! Meet the Infernal Realms' most inclusive super group! Lesbiana Hombre! Gay Chicano Female trapped inside the White Masculine body she never made! Redwood City! He may look like a tree, but he's actually a mid-sized metropolitan California tourist destination (and excretes his own pine cones!) Borderline Bobbiey! Amazingly, he changes gender identity every time you refer to her by a different pronoun! Just watch him! You go, girl! Belvedere! Tired of being a stallion centaur Belvedere demands her right to give birth as a broodmare! Watch, as the strangest heroes of all tgo head-to-head with Cerebus!

oh

Scuba Trooper
Feb 25, 2006

Jesus Christ.

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

Yeah that was posted back in March sometime, it's still just as unbelievable now.

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

What exactly is going on with Cerebus's mouth.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
Yeah Cerebus Syndrome means something different these days

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

✋😢Life's just better with Ominous Gloves🤗🧤
It looks like we're seeing some mainstream coverage of the Lion's Forge/ Oni fuckup.
https://twitter.com/swindlesoiree/status/1143511377639686144

Monaghan
Dec 29, 2006

Dawgstar posted:

https://twitter.com/renfamous/status/1143862828656484352

One can't help but feel that an practiced or good lawyer would have A) chimed in at certain points to make things better for his client and B) known to stand up to talk to the judge.

Surprisingly, I'm not going to give Vic's lawyer poo poo for this. There's more than one lawyer there for the Plaintiff and he's giving his case. Judge's don't like people interjecting all the time. Plus the little hiccups like not standing up happen all the time. People put more emphasis on this then they should.

That said, I'm skimming this at lunch, but Monica's lawyer is exactly right in saying that the confidentiality order they want is too broad. They brought up the allegations and twitter and have made it public. While there may be some economic documents or whatever that are confidential, that should be decided on a case-by-case basis, not this broad order that Vic's lawyers seems to be suggesting. If Vic's doing a deposition, it should be public record. He's already made public statements regarding this case. Plus it completely fucks over the woman accusers as they get harassed for "lying" by internet trolls but can't respond due to the confidentiality order.

Edit- okay read most of it, given what the judge's responses yeah Vic's not getting the order he wants.

Monaghan fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jun 26, 2019

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Monaghan posted:

Surprisingly, I'm not going to give Vic's lawyer poo poo for this. There's more than one lawyer there for the Plaintiff and he's giving his case. Judge's don't like people interjecting all the time. Plus the little hiccups like not standing up happen all the time. People put more emphasis on this then they should.

Yeah, but given his performance so far I am zero percent inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt and not just figure Beard's kind of a dope.

SoftNum
Mar 31, 2011

Monaghan posted:


Edit- okay read most of it, given what the judge's responses yeah Vic's not getting the order he wants.

Is there somewhere this is available online? like the filing and the judgments and such? I don't think it ends up on PACER.

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas
I like this thread an awful lot and am very grateful that BSS has it but I want to caution everybody against treating T. Greg Doucette like he's the Hero of the Beach. He's on the right side of history on a number of things, but check his twitter bio-- he admits up front that he's a proud "Never Trump" conservative and from my understanding all of his nominally progressive stances are rooted less in a sense of social justice than in a position of civil libertarianism. Research into his life story and his background is interesting reading and in many ways he's a fascinating person, but he is also not somebody I feel comfortable rah-rahing for, and as a queer woman I in no way consider him an ally.

He's an old-fashioned sort of Republican to be sure, but he's still a Republican, and you know, it's like the parallel issue of not treating McCain and the Bushes as good dudes just because they too are offended by Trump's absence of decorum.

The bar for being anti-fascism is pretty low-- you just have to not like fascism. There are still a lot of ways within that umbrella to be a reactionary poo poo head.

lifg
Dec 4, 2000
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Muldoon

site posted:

checks listing for today



oh


oh

Isn't Cerebus canonically hell-bound? How did he escape?

Thranguy
Apr 21, 2010


Deceitful and black-hearted, perhaps we are. But we would never go against the Code. Well, perhaps for good reasons. But mostly never.

lifg posted:

Isn't Cerebus canonically hell-bound? How did he escape?

This is part of the Cerebus in Hell series, which is a run of single-page gag strips of Sim drawing the character over Gustave Dore illustrations. (Having not read any, it's entirely possible that the cover is a one-off gag itself and nothing inside matches it. Or not. The project, as far as I can tell, exists as a complicated form of mutually deniable charity between Sim and his hardest-core fans.)

codenameFANGIO
May 4, 2012

What are you even booing here?

A guy on twitter posted four pages of that and I didn’t see a single drawing of Cerebus, just bad dialogue pasted over the other person’s seemingly-unrelated artwork.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

codenameFANGIO posted:

A guy on twitter posted four pages of that and I didn’t see a single drawing of Cerebus, just bad dialogue pasted over the other person’s seemingly-unrelated artwork.

Yeah. Sim most likely went to this format because even his longtime work partner Gerhard finally washed his hands of Sim's nonsense and Gerhard did all of the comic's art save the characters.

Whatever happened to Sim's involvement in ComicsGate?

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!
I think he was quietly disavowed when EVS deemed preying on teenagers bad for the brand.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
More Vic Mignogna stuff broke, and it's really bad:

https://twitter.com/ljmontello/status/1144270634169454592?s=21

Ror
Oct 21, 2010

😸Everything's 🗞️ purrfect!💯🤟


https://twitter.com/Spadez86/status/1144264240724885505

It is you who is the racist! No, I'm not too familiar with any popular memes on black twitter, but let me tell you about Stereotypical Black Sports...

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
If you're going to claim someone else is dehumanizing women, maybe don't use the word "females" as a noun.

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


I'm sure "Spadez the Pirate" is very up on respect for Black People, what with definitely being a Black Man, for sure.

SoftNum
Mar 31, 2011

Skwirl posted:

If you're going to claim someone else is dehumanizing women, maybe don't use the word "females" as a noun.

What the gently caress is TUGboat doing in that picture? DO they know he's there? I mean, I assume? Who is taking the picture?

So many questions....

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Skwirl posted:

If you're going to claim someone else is dehumanizing women, maybe don't use the word "females" as a noun.

They never twig to the fact it makes them sound like Ferengi. "FEEEEEEEMALES."

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


"What if the real racists are the people who aren't racist" is maybe the most tedious argument used by CHUDs.

mrfreeze
Apr 3, 2009

Jon Arbuckle: Master of pleasuring women

Dawgstar posted:

Paul seems like an okay dude, but he is absolutely going to run into the chuds who went into a tizzy over Sitterson.

It is so loving bizarre to see Paul pop up here. He's my cousin I haven't seen since were kids and I still have a copy of his collection of indie short comics sitting on my shelf.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

For context on the baby toss:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ivywintxrs/status/1134502776573243392?lang=en

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Puppy Time posted:

I'm sure "Spadez the Pirate" is very up on respect for Black People, what with definitely being a Black Man, for sure.

The guy running that account is deffo getting a chuckle at most people not knowing that "spade" is an old timey slur for black people

(the same racial slur as in the old saying, "call a spade a spade")

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
Nevermind.

fritz
Jul 26, 2003


I had just assumed it was a Joan Corella thing.

ryonguy
Jun 27, 2013
It is, I think the original is a dude throwing a baby though.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Xarbala posted:

The guy running that account is deffo getting a chuckle at most people not knowing that "spade" is an old timey slur for black people

(the same racial slur as in the old saying, "call a spade a spade")

The origin and popular use of that saying predates the slur by centuries.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
Yeah "Calling a spade a spade" falls in the same category of "niggardly" in that it's technically not a slur at all but you should probably steer clear of it anyway because confusion.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
I always say "sometimes you just have to call a spade a loving shovel." But since the phrase is well known and spade is not in common usage as a slur I don't think you have to be too worried about people thinking you're racist if you use the original form, it's always referred to gardening tools. No one thinks your racist if you refer to the suit of cards either.

BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand
Sina Grace posted a pretty candid essay on his Tumblr about his experience writing Iceman at Marvel.

Wasn't sure where to post this at first...X-thread? Marvel thread? But this thread is probably the best place for it.

quote:

As Pride Month comes to a close, it’s time I spoke candidly about my experience at Marvel Comics.
To date, I’ve always been honest about the joy of writing Iceman’s journey as an out gay superhero, but I’ve skirted around the challenges that came along with it. This is partially because I prefer to give off an upbeat vibe, and there’s also a fear that my truth will affect my career. With more corporations patting themselves on the back for profit-led partnerships wherein celebrities take selfies in rainbow apparel, and with buzz that Marvel Studios is preparing to debut their first gay character in the upcoming Eternals movie, there is an urgency to discuss the realities of creating queer pop culture in a hostile or ambivalent environment. Hopefully, my takeaways will serve as a guide for people in positions of power to consider when advocating for more nuanced and rich representation. In an ideal world, embracing our stories and empowering us to tell them will yield far more profitable (and way less messy) results than what I encountered while writing Iceman.

Stand by your people

It’s no surprise that I got the attention of trolls and irate fans for taking on this job. There was already backlash around the manner in which Bobby Drake aka Iceman came out, and Marvel needed to smooth that landing and put a “so what” to the decision. After a point, I could almost laugh off people making light of my death, saying they have “cancerous AIDS” from my book, or insinuating I’m capable of sexual assault… almost. Between Iceman’s cancellation and its subsequent revival, Marvel reached out and said they noticed threatening behavior on my Twitter account (only after asking me to send proof of all the nasty poo poo popping up online). An editor called, these conversations always happen over the phone, offering to provide “tips and tricks” to deal with the cyber bullying. I cut him off. All he was going to do was tell me how to fend for myself. I needed Marvel to stand by me with more work opportunities to show the trolls that I was more than a diversity hire. “We’ll keep you in mind.” I got so tired of that sentence.

Even after a year of the new editor-in-chief saying I was talented and needed to be on a book that wasn’t “the gay character,” the only assignment I got outside of Iceman was six pages along, about a version of Wolverine where he had diamond claws. Fabulous, yes. Heterosexual, yes. Still kind of the gay character, though.

We as creators are strongly encouraged to build a platform on social media and use it to promote work-for-hire projects owned by massive corporations… but when the going gets tough, these dudes get going real quick.

Believe in the work

You may be asking if my Iceman book was any good, or if I’m just being sour grapes over a bad work experience. Believe me, I asked that, too. From the get-go, my first editor asserted that Iceman would be DOA if it were “too gay,” while also telling me to prepare for a cancellation anyway, given that most solo X-Men titles don’t last beyond a year. Never mind that my work on Iceman had gotten positive press in the New York Times (in-print), or that in spite of (since-deleted) critical sandbagging, the series nets glowing reviews on Amazon… Marvel still treated me as someone to be contained, and the book as something to be nervous about. Do you know how hard it is to not argue with a publicist when he’s explaining the value of announcing Iceman’s revival via the Marvel homepage? Sis, that’s a burial. Instead of clapping back, I just went and got myself more press from the New York Times. From there, they tightened my leash. I had to get all opportunities pre-approved, and all interviews pre-reviewed. This would be fine if it was the standard, but I assure you: none of my straight male colleagues seek permission to go on podcasts promoting their books.

What Marvel should have done is assign me a special projects editor. They should have worked with a specialty PR firm, rather than repeat a tiresome cycle of treating the book like a square peg, and getting confused when it’s a hit.

Give us a real seat at the table

There was a moment before Iceman was cancelled where I wrote then-editor-in-chief Axel Alonso an email, pleading for a Hail Mary arc. I explained that Iceman was landing with a newer generation of readers who focused more on binge-reading than month-to-month periodicals. The series needed time in the book market before its true strength could be assessed. To Axel’s credit, he was warm to the idea and even gave me an extra month, but when he left Marvel that idea got brushed away. Of course I was right. The first two volumes sold like gangbusters thanks to word-of-mouth, librarian love, and support from retailers big and small.

When the series returned, no one at Marvel asked me: “What do you think landed with readers?” Nor did they ask the question that Axel did: “What matters to your community?” So when I wrote what I thought the fans would be into, a story about a man learning to be a better ally in the war against hate, editorial totally missed its value.

Seat at the table pt II: The Shade of it all

All of the weird drama I put up with crystallized when I created a drag queen mutant, first called Shade, now called Darkveil. I told my editor that Shade would be a big deal for X-Fans, and asked how we should promote her. He said: “leave it up to the reader’s interpretation.” Everyone at Marvel shrugged off two years of goodwill and acted like I’d coordinated behind their backs on an announcement that made headlines. Beyond mentioning on Instagram the queens who inspired the character, I didn’t coordinate poo poo. Of course, their head publicist can’t admit that my quotes were pre-approved from an unreleased interview. At this point, I stopped believing that there’d be any more work for me. There were so many shady moves on their end that I’m still having trouble putting into language, but it all aligned with an experience I had in retail where a corrupt manager kept lying and moving the goal posts in order to keep me selling in a department I didn’t want to work in. I offered to give Darkveil a proper character bio, and I walked away.

I recognize that some of my complaints can be filed under “this is freelance life.” I am aware that it was not a queer person of color who joked to me that “it’s not a matter of if Marvel fucks you over, it’s a matter of when.” That came from a cis white male. The same-day turn-arounds without warning, the work emails on Christmas week… that’s the freelance bullshit. Truly, I don’t even think of this as discrimination, I call it general ineptness. It is my belief that if we are telling stories about heroes doing the right thing in the face of adversity, wouldn’t the hope be to embody those ideals as individuals? Instead of feeling like I worked with some of the most inspiring and brave people in comics, I was surrounded by cowards.

Truly, I hate writing this. In keeping with Pride Month, I am proud of the work I did on Iceman… I love the book! It sucks that I may be tarnishing its legacy going public about how the cookies were made. That said, the time for self-congratulating is over, and folks should be earnestly listening when they ask: what could we have done better?

Cassius Belli
May 22, 2010

horny is prohibited

Maxwell Lord posted:

Yeah "Calling a spade a spade" falls in the same category of "niggardly" in that it's technically not a slur at all but you should probably steer clear of it anyway because confusion.

Also lovely people will use them to play a linguistic game of I'm-not-touching-you. Most people deserve the benefit of a doubt, but phrases like that should probably raise some flags if they feel conspicuously out-of-place in someone's vocabulary.

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!

BrianWilly posted:

Sina Grace posted a pretty candid essay on his Tumblr about his experience writing Iceman at Marvel.

Wasn't sure where to post this at first...X-thread? Marvel thread? But this thread is probably the best place for it.

man Marvel really needs a complete top-to-bottom uprooting of its editorial culture. I hoped things might change for the better under Cebulski, but they clearly haven't

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Metalshark
Feb 4, 2013

The seagull is essential.

BrianWilly posted:

Sina Grace posted a pretty candid essay on his Tumblr about his experience writing Iceman at Marvel.

Wasn't sure where to post this at first...X-thread? Marvel thread? But this thread is probably the best place for it.

Can't really add much to this, but it's a bummer and I feel for him. Amazing timing after Marvel released their Pride podcast today featuring Leah Williams, Vita Ayala and Tini Howard, whom I hope all get treated better.

Interesting that Alonso was a bright(er) point for Grace after Alonso's Hercules straightwashing.

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