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Tesseraction posted:Sometimes the game would be unfairly dickish to you - during one of the bracelet sections I could clearly tell the "tell" was their middle finger vibrating slightly, but I kept trying again and again at different spots and eventually looked up a video online to see if I was going crazy and the dude who was doing a let's play / walkthrough was also struggling until he put the finger out of focus and more focused on the chest pocket behind the finger. Which bracelet section was this again?
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I never liked the gameplay Bracelet sections, about the only thing I liked was how spooky and mystical the presentation was
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:Which bracelet section was this again? Honestly I can't remember, I think it might have been 6-2.
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God it always fucks me up when you see Daryan's back sprite for the first time and realize he's got a pomp and a mullet. also gently caress me they always show like 5 seconds more than they need to of the video at the beginning Waffleman_ fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Jun 24, 2019 |
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I think I'd find the video less silly if she wasn't singing "pi pi pi pi pi pi pi pi pi pi" like a broken vocaloid.
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Brushel is sooooooooooooo gross E: gently caress I FORGOT MEEKINS Waffleman_ fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Jun 25, 2019 |
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Man, Apollo Justice is pretty okay. Part of me really wants to see what would have happened to the series if they had committed to Apollo rather than backpedaling a bit in DD.
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Given the jury system in DGS, I would've really liked them to make the jurist system a mechanic in AA5 onward instead of backpedalling
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just look at the witness system in wright vs layton and you'll see what a mistake trying to shoehorn in the jurist system would've been it's like a normal testimony except you have five slightly different takes for the same statement and only one has the correct Present/Press solution
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The White Dragon posted:just look at the witness system in wright vs layton and you'll see what a mistake trying to shoehorn in the jurist system would've been tbh I don't remember PLvAA all that well but I didn't think the DGS system was that bad maybe meandering at times, but i think it was workable at the core
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The White Dragon posted:just look at the witness system in wright vs layton and you'll see what a mistake trying to shoehorn in the jurist system would've been actually, the witness system in wright vs. layton was great
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Also in juried trials, the jury themselves does not usually testify.
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Waffleman_ posted:Also in juried trials, the jury themselves does not usually testify. you know that's not how phoenix wright would go
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Waffleman_ posted:Also in juried trials, the jury themselves does not usually testify. If there isn't a case where you accuse a juror of the crime, what's even the point?
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The best part of DGS is definitely that whoever selected the jurors definitely misheard the instruction "pick people NOT related to the case" with "pick people absolutely related to the case" to the point where they had to go solve the crime themselves and pick people who seemingly has no relation and is only revealed later in a turnabout
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 Educational Post Gyakuten Saiban 4 was first released in 2007, about 2 years before something resembling a juridical system was implemented in Japanese courts and in the middle of much public debate and test trials of the system. The third game, incidentally, was released in 2004 mere months before the law instating the new system passed. It would be a waste for a game set in a courtroom to ignore the whole thing which is why the game has it as a subplot. The introduction of the system really was very much a hot topic in Japan at the time: on the day the new system was implemented in 2009 not one but two DS court-drama games where you play a lay-judge were released. Both are actually supposed to be pretty good though one looks much more anime than the other. The system in Japan doesn't resemble the American one very much. For one, this isn't really a jury but a number of "lay-judges" chosen from the general public. The sit along with the professional judges and participate in the inquisitorial process. They are allowed to examine evidence and question witnesses, and are part of the decision not just on guilt but on punishment too. Trials with lay-judges are trials for serious crimes that may result in life imprisonment or the death sentence. The panel is comprised of three professional judges and six lay judges and the verdict is decided by a majority that contains at least one professional judge. My guess on why we don't see this in 5 and 6 is that the writers are aware putting anything like this in a game will be much more off-putting to an American audience than any Japanese village or a soba-udon debate.
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orenronen posted:
This was really interesting, thank you!
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To be honest I think the developers were also more just aware that such a system would be needlessly frustrating. It's bad enough getting the single judge to behave himself at the best of times let alone 3 + 6 and it would require introducing up to 6 one-shot characters per turnabout or risk it becoming a farce of having the same rotating cast of previous characters appear but never mention what happened in previous games in order to prevent spoilers.
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Ignoring the whole in-game ramifications, just from a practical standpoint, they seem to barely have enough time and possibly memory space to have more than like 4 unique characters for each case in DD and SoJ as-is. Adding 6 lay-judges in total seems like it would be undoable, even in the "Grossberg has a whole 2 dialogue portraits because they ran out of room on the cart" sense, it seems like. 6 per case is almost definitely not even up for consideration, really. e; I say "DD and SoJ," but thinking about it, that's been a thing for the entire series. There's the occasional case that has notably more, but that's always the exception. Lotus Aura fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Jun 26, 2019 |
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I mean, if I had to make between 4 and 5 sets of 6 lay-judges per game I would definitely be phoning it in by the third turnabout. Yeah here's your judges... Gary, Barry, Larry, Harry, Sally and Sue. They're all *throws dart* librarians.
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I just like to pretend that during 5 and (the Japanifornian cases in) 6 there's a panel of jurists in a back room relaying their opinions to the Judge in private.
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I think the jurors in the Great Ace Attorney worked pretty well.
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The final case of AJ was explicitly stated to be a test case anyway, just to see if a juror system was feasible. I'm more mad that they backpedaled on Phoenix's character development.
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Just wait until AA7 which opens with him having amnesia and not remembering anything other than his legal training.
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I want to see Phoenix's piano playing and skill at cheating at cards come up again. Just Athena going "Wait, boss? Why do you know how to cheat at cards? I'll never look at you the same again"
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He never cheated!!!!!
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There's nothing in the rule book that says your magic child can't inform you of bluffs.
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remember when phoenix legitimately does get us to present forged evidence at the beginning of AJ. that was kind of messed up nick
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It was a reproduction!
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somepartsareme posted:remember when phoenix legitimately does get us to present forged evidence at the beginning of AJ. that was kind of messed up nick I loved it. It showed that the system's gotten so hosed that even Nick has to cheat. Edit: And yeah if I remember correctly he's careful to say that it's not the actual card that was at the crime scene. It's just that Kristoph sees it and immediately flips out. Therefore it's not ~*technically*~ forged evidence.
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:I loved it. It showed that the system's gotten so hosed that even Nick has to cheat. The real masterclass of that forged evidence is when Nick points out "how do you know it's forged evidence? the only way for someone to know is if someone were the murderer themselves and took it from the scene"
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Phoenix got the juror system set up and then intentionally rigged it by putting the defense's mother in it, that system sucked just like the rest of Phoenix in AA4.
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Phoenix invented/rediscovered an entirely new system of court just to make sure Kristoph hosed off forever. A fitting fate for the second most petty motherfucker in Ace Attorney.
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The White Dragon posted:just look at the witness system in wright vs layton and you'll see what a mistake trying to shoehorn in the jurist system would've been The witness panel mechanic was good though.
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Ymmv, but I wouldn't like to see the jury system repeat after DGS. It was pretty funny in that game because of a couple of jokes they managed to throw in, and that juror who hated rich people was pretty fun, but eventually the cases just had repeat juries/tropes and it got kinda stale. I also eventually found interrupting the trial for the third time (if I remember correctly?) during the last trial kinda grating, especially since their verdicts carried no tension with me by that point, you knew they were just going to reverse their voting. I do like the system of finding contradictions in different testimonies, but would rather that be applied to double witness testimonies. Also, a revamped closing argument mechanic (but during closing... basically end of trial summary).
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Silver Falcon posted:The witness panel mechanic was good though. i dunno i thought it, like a lot of things in that game, were just frustrating. it gives you a lot of weird variables to deal with when presenting evidence in a series that is always very strict about the block of text you have to present against.
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I think in AA7, they should introduce an "Athena is the main character" mechanic.
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imo aa7 should be about Space Cadet Attorney Pearl Fey, who became a lawyer when she realized that phoenix's true love was edgeworth, and she wanted to make gay marriage legal in japanifornia
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The White Dragon posted:imo aa7 should be about Space Cadet Attorney Pearl Fey, who became a lawyer when she realized that phoenix's true love was edgeworth, and she wanted to make gay marriage legal in japanifornia is her mentor wendy oldbag, still wearing the spacesuit and raygun is the raygun the new perceive mechanic
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It's weird that localization made Athena more hot-blooded than Apollo, because since a lot of Japanese language conventions didn't translate we mostly go off body language, and Athena moves way more aggressively than Apollo.
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