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Cardiac posted:The funny thing about this logic is that you will need to sever a whole lot of your friends and family. Since ~1 in 5 vote SD and there is a clear dominance of male voters (up to ~1 in 4) you certainly know a large amount of SD voters. Especially as the SVT info graphic from last years election showed that SD voters were more evenly spread across social classes than M or S.
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V. Illych L. posted:lol that kid is such a fukken dweeb Dweeb? Excuse me, have you single handedly managed to unseat a FrP minister?
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Rincewinds posted:Dweeb? Excuse me, have you single handedly managed to unseat a FrP minister? She's still a minister, so his follow-through needs some work.
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Rincewinds posted:Dweeb? Excuse me, have you single handedly managed to unseat a FrP minister? It was Moxnes who unseated her. Credit where credit is due.
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No matter who of them wins out in the end I suspect we might finally see toxic party-infighting to rival Juholts short stint as party leader of the Social Democrats. https://twitter.com/Dykaren21/status/1142337411617382405
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I love our dumb corrupt Olympic committee. Their application is so full of obvious bullshit that the taking head won't even bother to pretend they mean any of it.DN posted:På vinter-OS hemsida står att ”Pendeltågen och tunnelbanan anses vara ett annat huvudsakligt transportmedel för deltagare till och från boenden och anläggningar”. Stockholm winning this poo poo show is going to suck so hard that Priapus himself will go limp. I'm mad that our big wet politicians did not just go "lol, no" when approached by SOK.
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i thought OS in every form is basically a net loss no matter who hosts it. so why is this being pushed now?
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Wild Horses posted:i thought OS in every form is basically a net loss no matter who hosts it. so why is this being pushed now? It's a pure grift show on behalf of IOK and SOK, but people are dumb I guess? E: Everyone involved has this bizarre idea that somebody else oss going to pay for the whole spectacle. Potrzebie fucked around with this message at 10:28 on Jun 24, 2019 |
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Wild Horses posted:i thought OS in every form is basically a net loss no matter who hosts it. so why is this being pushed now? Basically. Every Olympics since 1960 has been a net loss for the host. But a huge income for a bunch of companies and corrupted officials, depending on country. LA made a profit as a city, but it was because noone else bid that year, so they got unusually good terms. Look here for some hilarious charts regarding projected cost vs actual cost of Olympic games. https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/economics-hosting-olympic-games It's helpful to see the entire process as a grift scheme where both public officials and private companies can use the games as an excuse to rob public funding in plain sight. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Jun 24, 2019 |
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I can barely commute to Stockholm from Eskilstuna without a delay because of a leaf landed near the tracks. Olympics in Stockholm is just a bafflingly stupid idea that barely merits a second thought.
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Thank gently caress we dodged that bullet. E: I'm Sweden, TheFluff is Italy.
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THANK gently caress!
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Potrzebie posted:Thank gently caress we dodged that bullet. wow, that's harsh
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lilljonas posted:Basically. Every Olympics since 1960 has been a net loss for the host. But a huge income for a bunch of companies and corrupted officials, depending on country. When Norway applied for the olympics the demands from the IOC officials were completely insane: They wanted an audience with king and a paid for party at the royal palace. Schools should be closed and the general population should be encouraged to take vacation. Traffic lights should be altered to suit the officials needs. Traffic lanes should be closed for the general population and only IOC officials should be allowed to drive in these lanes. They also demanded a constant access to free booze and food.
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Wild Horses posted:ioc and fifa is some disgusting corruption put on display for all to see Stuff all of them on a boat and sink it in the middle of the Atlantic. Throw in UEFA as well.
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Alhazred posted:When Norway applied for the olympics the demands from the IOC officials were completely insane: IIRC it was essentially rejected by people not living in Oslo, where the proposal was very popular. I'd have been happy to give it to Oslo if they footed the bill themselves and got no government bucks. I welcome any opportunity for Oslo to gently caress itself over. Of course that wouldn't have been really what happened and the government and the rest of the country would have paid for it and for allowing IOC committee members and totally not corrupt local politicians to enrich themselves.
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Randarkman posted:IIRC it was essentially rejected by people not living in Oslo, where the proposal was very popular. I'd have been happy to give it to Oslo if they footed the bill themselves and got no government bucks. I welcome any opportunity for Oslo to gently caress itself over. Of course that wouldn't have been really what happened and the government and the rest of the country would have paid for it and for allowing IOC committee members and totally not corrupt local politicians to enrich themselves. Interesting, that is pretty much the opposite of the Swedish situation. Having Stockholm host the Olympics is popular with everyone except Stockholmers. Stockholm stad also refused to give any guarantees about finances or hosting it to ioc.
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Randarkman posted:IIRC it was essentially rejected by people not living in Oslo, where the proposal was very popular. I'd have been happy to give it to Oslo if they footed the bill themselves and got no government bucks. I welcome any opportunity for Oslo to gently caress itself over. Of course that wouldn't have been really what happened and the government and the rest of the country would have paid for it and for allowing IOC committee members and totally not corrupt local politicians to enrich themselves. It was a 55% - 45% split when voted on by the public, and IIRC that was before the demands from IOC were leaked to the press.
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Fader Movitz posted:Interesting, that is pretty much the opposite of the Swedish situation. Having Stockholm host the Olympics is popular with everyone except Stockholmers. Stockholm stad also refused to give any guarantees about finances or hosting it to ioc. Got any polls showing that? Cause my impression (as a no-Stockholmer) was that no one except Stockholm politicians and their cronies were particularly that interested in the olympics. It took awhile to even get the S coalition behind the whole thing. That said, good riddance. Also Milano isn't actually that far south if you have a nice airport like Kastrup close by.
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Stockholm's infrastructure is the worst. I go there for work a lot and if there's even a minor event such as a pop concert or a dentist convention or whatever, hotels will be booked full. Congrats to staying in Eskilstuna instead. And the main stations are congested to hell and back during rush hour and everything is in a constant state of reconstruction. And the trains break down constantly. Olympic games is the last thing that clusterfuck of bottlenecks need. Building a city on a bunch of tiny islands is great if you're a medieval lord and scared of invasions but terrible if you're a modern city. Also, in today's politics: founder of the Facebook group "Stand up for Sweden" is found guilty of hets mot folkgrupp. Couldn't happen to a more detestable bunch of nazi neanderthals - good riddance.
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Cardiac posted:Got any polls showing that? https://www.dn.se/sport/dnipsos-fler-negativa-an-positiva-till-ett-os-i-sverige-2026/
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lilljonas posted:Stockholm's infrastructure is the worst. I go there for work a lot and if there's even a minor event such as a pop concert or a dentist convention or whatever, hotels will be booked full. Congrats to staying in Eskilstuna instead. And the main stations are congested to hell and back during rush hour and everything is in a constant state of reconstruction. And the trains break down constantly. February was hilarious when I was there. The whole inner city of Stockholm was literally ice, which was just absurd. Potrzebie posted:https://www.dn.se/sport/dnipsos-fler-negativa-an-positiva-till-ett-os-i-sverige-2026/ Thanks. Suffice to say, with 40% positive at best, the Swedish interest for the olympics is rather lukewarm.
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Cardiac posted:Got any polls showing that? You already got the link from Potrzebie but I misremembered and exaggerated the support from outside of Stockholm a bit. OS i Stockholm seemed to be a vanity project/corruption opportunity for certain politicians, some businesses and SOK. I never had the feeling it had much support except S in Stockholm who were really keen on it for some reason.
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Fader Movitz posted:OS i Stockholm seemed to be a vanity project/corruption opportunity for certain politicians, some businesses and SOK. I never had the feeling it had much support except S in Stockholm who were really keen on it for some reason. Not in charge so gotta campaign for the big prestige project so that you can rub it in the Moderates face when it doesn't happen. No really. Partisan twitter can be the absolute worst sometimes.
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I'm happy to announce that Plague Island concentration camp is cancelled and refugee children will no longer have their PTSD compounded by the sound of gunfire. https://politiken.dk/indland/politik/FV19/art7271329/Det-er-partierne-enige-om
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SplitSoul posted:I'm happy to announce that Plague Island concentration camp is cancelled and refugee children will no longer have their PTSD compounded by the sound of gunfire. It is maddening that we are in a situation where heinous poo poo being rolled back is a victory, but here we are.
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Azram Legion posted:It is maddening that we are in a situation where heinous poo poo being rolled back is a victory, but here we are. Well it says they are rolling back this one to find someplace else to put them.
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Randarkman posted:Well it says they are rolling back this one to find someplace else to put them. Yeah, that's sort of my point. That article is a list of things that are "good", but you have to ignore the context and the history of the situation we are in, to see them as genuine victories. We are still going to keep children who have survived war in camps - they just won't be camps next to firing ranges. Great job, Denmark!
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https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/folketingsvalg/tesfaye-efter-haarde-beskyldninger-om-loeftebrud-fra-stoejberg-ogMatthias Tesfaye in response to Inger Støjberg and Pia Kjærsgaard objecting to kids being moved away from Sjælsmark posted:The central pillars in Danish immigration policy stand firm. "Don't worry, we won't change anything. Maybe we'll keep the kids in a slightly nicer camp? We're compromising, so clearly we are the adults in the room!" I sure was worried Inger Støjberg and Pia Kjærsgaard wouldn't approve of the new government's immigration policy. A stone off my chest.
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So the Swedish Liberal Party (centre-right) has nominated a new leader. After years losing voters due to milquetoast centre-right social liberalism and lack of clear profile (apart from trying to claim schools as "their" area, with terrible results), they decided that in order to survive above the 4% limit needed to be represented in parliament, they needed some new blood. The nominated party leader (and the rest of the process if a formality, really) is Nyamko Sabuni, first-generation immigrant, "outspoken character" and friend of the right. This signals a right-wing turn for one of the traditionally centrist (but right-wing) parties in Swedish politics. It might signal a return to classic right-wing vs left-wing block politics, or it might be the nail in the coffin for the Liberal Party if they cannot reverse their downward trend despite jumping on the populist/anti-immigrant bandwagon. Beeswax fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jun 26, 2019 |
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Azram Legion posted:It is maddening that we are in a situation where heinous poo poo being rolled back is a victory, but here we are. Yeah, I should've read the full text instead of Politiken's lovely summary before popping the corks. Any concession granted is basically so small as to not matter. Emission reductions is pie-in-the-sky bullshit.
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SplitSoul posted:Yeah, I should've read the full text instead of Politiken's lovely summary before popping the corks. Any concession granted is basically so small as to not matter. Emission reductions is pie-in-the-sky bullshit. I hope you didn't read me as being critical of your post. I'm just really struggling to keep a positive outlook on the election, and seeing how much of that list is about "returning to a less lovely situation", rather than "moving to solve our enormous problems" felt like a punch in the gut.
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Azram Legion posted:I hope you didn't read me as being critical of your post. I'm just really struggling to keep a positive outlook on the election, and seeing how much of that list is about "returning to a less lovely situation", rather than "moving to solve our enormous problems" felt like a punch in the gut. Most of their half-promised goals sounds like stuff you could bang out in a single meeting, but this is what they're going to burn the next four years on? I'm so tired of these monstrous policies running unopposed; I hardline vote Ø, in the feeblest hope that they'll actually step up and do good on their words for once. But it's the same as always, isn't it? Liberalism is a disease, and the doctor's got nothing but placebos for us.
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I think a good demonstration of how hosed up things are, is that the media keeps saying "WHERE WILL THE MONEY FOR ALL THIS WELFARE COME FROM?!?!?" while at the same time running stories glorifying Lars loving Larsen and his 35 billion kroner fortune.
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That’s the thing, a society that has never been richer, record profits generated in basically every sector, consumer index at all time high and yet, mysteriously, we can’t afford kindergarten personnel, universities, hospitals or anything welfare related anymore. It is completely ridiculous. Obviously politicians are the most to blame, but I’ve really developed a seething hatred for journalist. gently caress those assholes for buying into that poo poo. Turns out all that fancy education is useless except for uncritically reproducing neoliberal austerity narratives.
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Beeswax posted:So the Swedish Liberal Party (centre-right) has nominated a new leader. After years losing voters due to milquetoast centre-right social liberalism and lack of clear profile (apart from trying to claim schools as "their" area, with terrible results), they decided that in order to survive above the 4% limit needed to be represented in parliament, they needed some new blood. The nominated party leader (and the rest of the process if a formality, really) is Nyamko Sabuni, first-generation immigrant, "outspoken character" and friend of the right. Well, Ullenhag was going to be a nail in the coffin, so in that sense Sabuni is probably a better choice for L. Ullenhag is the worst kind of liberal and is one of the major reasons why SD could grow during the Reinfeldt era. At a certain point during the early 2000s, some of the issues that fed SD could have been avoided. As for Sabuni, there are some major questions on how she should save L. 1. What politics will she push? And how will those actually differ from M? 2. She will lead a party that is part of the current ruling coalition. Will she continue on that path? I have a hard time seeing that L will give up the opportunity for some actual political influence for the sake of "ideological purity". IMO, it won't be a massive change from Björklund in terms of actual politics but rather in presentation. Also, I am kinda curious on the state of Sabunis family gatherings given who her brother is.
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