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How come none of the mentats (at least up to the middle of Heretics) use sappho juice after the first book?
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Jun 26, 2019 18:37
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Only Thufir is in the habit of sapho use as far as we see. The appendix says a lot of mentats use it, which is probably where Lynch Dune got the idea of having Piter use that and come up with a sick mantra for it instead of being a spice junkie. But it’s clear that the practice is not universal (Paul is a mentat after all, and he doesn’t take it) and after a few thousand years during which mentat schools were suppressed, the practice may just have lapsed.
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Jun 26, 2019 18:45
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Taking sappho when you're already on the water of life is like drinking a beer when you're already on two hits of acid. I mean you can do it but...why
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Jun 26, 2019 18:56
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The juice is an invention of Lynch. e: wait no, that little litany (it is by will alone... etc)is, not the juice itself how shameful. Gonna wander into the desert a kitten fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Jun 26, 2019 |
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Jun 26, 2019 20:28
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The Spiceman Cometh.
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Jun 26, 2019 20:59
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phasmid posted:The Spiceman Cometh. Danny DeVito as the Baron
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Jun 26, 2019 21:31
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RBA Starblade posted:Danny DeVito as the Baron 
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Jun 26, 2019 21:44
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a kitten posted:how shameful. Gonna wander into the desert 
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Jun 26, 2019 22:17
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"What the hell is that?" "You know what it is bitch. Muad'Dib! Muad'Dib!"
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Jun 26, 2019 22:23
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Danny DeVito as the
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Jun 26, 2019 22:49
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DeVito as a 3rd stage navigator floating around in a tank but otherwise unchanged
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Jun 26, 2019 22:51
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Danny Devito stabbing the Baron with a gom jabbar and earning the title, "St. Alia of the Toe Knife"
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Jun 26, 2019 22:56
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Dune as a long running 30 minute family friendly sitcom with laughtrack.
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Jun 26, 2019 22:56
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"What the hell is that?" "You know what it is, bitch." 
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Jun 26, 2019 23:14
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Dune but real housewives of arrakis
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Jun 26, 2019 23:17
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Desperate Houseconcubines
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Jun 26, 2019 23:47
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Leto: Ok well it's obvious what we have to do... Thufir: What? Leto: We need to search this place wall to wall for traps and spies. Nobody is gonna mess with my family. ♪♫♬ **Sweet Paul Gets Hunter-Seekered** ♬ ♫♪
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Jun 27, 2019 00:02
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whoops, i dropped my monster prosthetic, which i use to convince people i have a monster dong
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Jun 27, 2019 00:07
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You know what's on the House Atreides crest? A giant bird.
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Jun 27, 2019 00:10
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The M.U.A.D.D.I.B. System Manipulate planted messianic legends Use the weirding way Ally with the Fremen tribes Deal with that bitch Jamis Dethrone the Emperor Ignite a galactic jihad in your name Bail on everyone and go wander the desert
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Jun 27, 2019 00:31
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Communist Walrus posted:The M.U.A.D.D.I.B. System holy 
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Jun 27, 2019 00:33
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Communist Walrus posted:The M.U.A.D.D.I.B. System The U.S.U.L. Algorithm Update thread Scroll down Unleash post Lol heartily Prolonged Panorama fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Jun 27, 2019 |
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Jun 27, 2019 01:09
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I love you all.
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Jun 27, 2019 03:55
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Fre-man! Fighter of the Harkonnen! Champion of Shai-hulud! Your a master of the Kris Knives and No Ships For Everyone
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Jun 27, 2019 05:01
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Currently in my first reread in like 10 years. I'll let you know what I think when I finish in another two years.
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Jun 27, 2019 05:38
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I listened to the audio book of it recently after not reading it since junior high school, mostly because I'm allowing myself to get slightly hyped about the Villeneuve film. still good. though the audio is weird, it constantly shifts between having individual actors voice characters and having it done by one narrator. kind of jarring.
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Jun 27, 2019 05:55
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Do you have a certificate saying you have mentat brains?
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Jun 27, 2019 06:10
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Was there ever a number given for how many Sardaukar there were before Paul? It just seems like what we see in the book is nowhere near enough to rule a galactic empire. No other Great House even seems to have a military worth writing home about (The Atreides even getting moderately close to having one is enough to get them killed) so you'd think the galaxy would be in constant rebellion as there are too many places for the Sardaukar to be at once. I'd imagine they'd get worn down constantly moving from brushfire to brushfire until they're no longer strong enough to stop a great house from militarizing and then the whole balance of power that keeps the empire together collapses.
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Jun 27, 2019 06:14
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It was at least ten leeeeegions of sardaukar!!
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Jun 27, 2019 07:17
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galagazombie posted:Was there ever a number given for how many Sardaukar there were before Paul? It just seems like what we see in the book is nowhere near enough to rule a galactic empire. No other Great House even seems to have a military worth writing home about (The Atreides even getting moderately close to having one is enough to get them killed) so you'd think the galaxy would be in constant rebellion as there are too many places for the Sardaukar to be at once. I'd imagine they'd get worn down constantly moving from brushfire to brushfire until they're no longer strong enough to stop a great house from militarizing and then the whole balance of power that keeps the empire together collapses. This broke down on Arrakis because of how important the spice was to the Guild. The Atreides military on Caladan could have been bottled up if not for Duke Leto's popularity.
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Jun 27, 2019 08:32
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Isn't it also explicitly said that all of the houses in the Landsraad have the same military power as the Sardukar wielded by the Emperor? Seems like the Emperor was right to fear Leto getting potential access to the Fremen, given how well-respected he's said to be. War of assassins/kanly is the default - partially enforced by the Guild refusing to transport anyone but the Sardukar to wipe out House Atreides, unless a House dares to use atomics, in which case every other House will bring their full might to bear on them.
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Jun 27, 2019 09:28
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There's plenty of real-world historical analogues for the Emperor and the Houses, and even for theoretically-powerless-but-actually-super-influential-advisors like the BG. But has there been any time in history when there's been a monopoly on travel, like with the Guild? I really can't think of any. It makes it kind of tricky to work out the implications of a transport monopoly.
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Jun 27, 2019 09:54
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Were Mentats all male? For some reason I've got the impression that the non-twisted mentats were generally celibate (in the General Ripper, denying the Bene Gesserit their essences sort of way) sort of like they were Herbert's take on Byzantine/Chinese eunuch officials. I have no idea where this impression came from or if it's even remotely like anything in the actual books.
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Jun 27, 2019 10:00
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One of the BG in Emperor is a mentat, albeit illegally.
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Jun 27, 2019 10:20
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Were Mentats all male? For some reason I've got the impression that the non-twisted mentats were generally celibate (in the General Ripper, denying the Bene Gesserit their essences sort of way) sort of like they were Herbert's take on Byzantine/Chinese eunuch officials.
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Jun 27, 2019 10:47
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D. Ebdrup posted:Based on what's said to Paul when it's revealed to him that he's a potential mentat, it sounds more like any child can be trained to be one - and combined with mention of twisted mentats (Piter is one, but it's heavily implied that the Bene Thleilax can grow others rather easily, as the Baron plans to order another one) in the same book, and "illegal" mentats as was brought up in just before, it seems to me that only children trained by other mentats are recognized as being "true" mentats (not that makes any sense, because surely it's the training and abilities that matter). Plus the BG would probably snap up any smart girl as quick as they became aware of them
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Jun 27, 2019 10:51
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Tree Bucket posted:There's plenty of real-world historical analogues for the Emperor and the Houses, and even for theoretically-powerless-but-actually-super-influential-advisors like the BG. But has there been any time in history when there's been a monopoly on travel, like with the Guild? I really can't think of any. It makes it kind of tricky to work out the implications of a transport monopoly. closest analogue would probably be railroad/steamship monopolies in the 19th century, those were mostly regional at their biggest though.
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Jun 27, 2019 11:57
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galagazombie posted:Was there ever a number given for how many Sardaukar there were before Paul? It just seems like what we see in the book is nowhere near enough to rule a galactic empire. No other Great House even seems to have a military worth writing home about (The Atreides even getting moderately close to having one is enough to get them killed) so you'd think the galaxy would be in constant rebellion as there are too many places for the Sardaukar to be at once. I'd imagine they'd get worn down constantly moving from brushfire to brushfire until they're no longer strong enough to stop a great house from militarizing and then the whole balance of power that keeps the empire together collapses. It's hard to answer because the reader is rarely given a feel for what the world is like outside the direct experiences of the main characters, who are almost always either members of the ruling class or some kind of elite. We don't really get a handle on what it means in terms of resources to say a Great House has an entire planet at its disposal. The fact that you never hear any member of a Great House (not that I can remember, anyway) talk about their regional governors makes me think that most planets are so low in population that they can be effectively ruled by tiny groups of people. Remember, before Leto gets the boot, House Atreides ruled over two different planets while consisting of literally two people. There's no cousin Jeff Atreides who gets sent to govern Carthag once they hit Arrakis, it's just Leto and Paul. This is all to say that not every planet has billions of people like Earth, and thus is probably much easier to keep under one's thumb (especially if you have an entire planet of your own dedicated to churning out the best soldiers known) than you might expect. But the real answer is, as someone already mentioned, the cost of space travel. I think the Baron says he's going to be paying off the invasion of Arrakis for the next fifty years; invading multiple planets is beyond the reach of anyone besides the emperor.
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Jun 27, 2019 12:31
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exmachina posted:Plus the BG would probably snap up any smart girl as quick as they became aware of them I think this is the key thing; the Bene Gesserit have a near-monopoly on the education of gifted girls and make a pretty good case to the family for it being win/win, so even if there isn't necessarily a stigma against women being trained as Mentats, why would you settle for that when the BG are offering? Not sure if there's a reason given why there aren't any female Guild Navigators I recall.
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Jun 27, 2019 13:06
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No, the real answer is it’s a work of fiction and poo poo doesn’t have to make sense, a couple of dudes can run a densely populated planet because the author says they can. Ditto for Sardaukar and everything else, like single biome habitable planets and similar. e: Do you think they have BG porn in Dune?
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