The Former Best Friends Thread: Woolie, Matt, Pat and Liam's Solo Stuff

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Grouchio: Aug 31, 2014

Zyklon B Zombie posted:

I've never watched Attack on Titan, but listening to Pat and Woolie talk about it, it sounds like Dune with big dumb giants instead of big dumb worms.

"And then Eren Yeager became the Kwisatz Haderach and sterilized Eldia. The end."

# ? Jun 26, 2019 05:27

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# ? May 31, 2024 10:50

MonsterEnvy: Feb 4, 2012; Shocked I tell you

Stairmaster posted:

whens woolie gonna talk about hxh

Eventually. Woolie has a series name for talking about it even.

Grouchio posted:

"And then Eren Yeager became the Kwisatz Haderach and sterilized Eldia. The end."

We already know that is not his plan. Don't spread misinformation about a series you don't read.

MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Jun 26, 2019

# ? Jun 26, 2019 05:28

Grouchio: Aug 31, 2014

Better yet, when's Pat/Woolie gonna talk about Chernobyl or Kaguya wants to be Confessed to?

# ? Jun 26, 2019 05:31

Stairmaster: Jun 8, 2012

You don't need to make up fake Nazi poo poo there's already enough real stuff to work with

# ? Jun 26, 2019 05:46

somepartsareme: Mar 10, 2012; Diggle Hell is a Real
(Swingin') Place

Stairmaster posted:

You don't need to make up fake Nazi poo poo there's already enough real stuff to work with

yea but some people will snap at you for bringing it up

# ? Jun 26, 2019 05:54

Viridiant: Nov 7, 2009; Big PP Energy

Everytime I've seen someone talk about the nazi poo poo in Attack on Titan it's been someone who hasn't actually read it.

# ? Jun 26, 2019 05:56

MonsterEnvy: Feb 4, 2012; Shocked I tell you

Grouchio posted:

Better yet, when's Pat/Woolie gonna talk about Chernobyl or Kaguya wants to be Confessed to?

If they watch them.

# ? Jun 26, 2019 06:03

somepartsareme: Mar 10, 2012; Diggle Hell is a Real
(Swingin') Place

Viridiant posted:

Everytime I've seen someone talk about the nazi poo poo in Attack on Titan it's been someone who hasn't actually read it.

i wont go so far as to call it blatantly or intentionally fascist but having your blatant jewish allegories be initially oppressed because they're able to turn into monsters is, at the very least, unfortunate

# ? Jun 26, 2019 06:07

Viridiant: Nov 7, 2009; Big PP Energy

No it's definitely clumsy in that regard and I dislike that for the same reason I don't like Marvel mutants as an allegory for minorities in America.

# ? Jun 26, 2019 06:18

MonsterEnvy: Feb 4, 2012; Shocked I tell you

somepartsareme posted:

i wont go so far as to call it blatantly or intentionally fascist but having your blatant jewish allegories be initially oppressed because they're able to turn into monsters is, at the very least, unfortunate

95% of the characters are of that race. Also they can't turn into monsters on their own. They have to be injected with spinal fluid from the monsters, which basically kills them as there is only one way for them to become human again. And because of this they are used disposable as weapons of war by the actual evil Nazi faction. It's treated as a horrible thing being done to them.

# ? Jun 26, 2019 06:20

MagusDraco: Nov 11, 2011; even speedwagon was trolled

Well AoT has some obscure Holocaust stuff where the map that shows the island is just upside down Africa and Paradis is Madagascar. One of the Nazis plans were to ship all the Jews to Madagascar and isolate them there. So like there's definitely some stuff there that is really tasteless regardless of what the message AoT is going for.

# ? Jun 26, 2019 06:46

Andrast: Apr 21, 2010

MagusDraco posted:

Well AoT has some obscure Holocaust stuff where the map that shows the island is just upside down Africa and Paradis is Madagascar. One of the Nazis plans were to ship all the Jews to Madagascar and isolate them there. So like there's definitely some stuff there that is really tasteless regardless of what the message AoT is going for.

That doesn't seem particularly tasteless to me

# ? Jun 26, 2019 07:33

Monathin: Sep 1, 2011; ?????????
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Regardless of how much nazi poo poo is or isnt in AoT it does not take nuch digging to find out the creator/writer is a super huge Japanese Imperialism Apologist which will rightly rub some people the wrong way for a whole fuckin lot of valid reasons, and knowing that its not hard to see why a lot of people will consider the manga itself to be in bad faith when discussing issues adjacent to that.

# ? Jun 26, 2019 15:02

Viridiant: Nov 7, 2009; Big PP Energy

The Japanese Nationalist thing comes from a blog/twitter that was never actually confirmed to belong to Isayama, as far as I know.

# ? Jun 26, 2019 15:22

Captain Invictus: Apr 5, 2005; Try reading some manga!; Clever Betty

The only thing that I know was confirmed is that pixis is based on an old Japanese general that he liked, similar to how an American might idolize Patton or MacArthur(and similarly as much of a shitbag as them). The rest is internet hearsay.

Given what's been happening in the manga it's hilarious the amount of people who, probably not watching the show or reading the manga, think it is pro-fascist in any way. Sure if you eat up the fascist government propaganda at face value it's portraying them in a good light, ignoring the constant reminders of atrocities towards the citizens and blatant disregard for human life.

# ? Jun 26, 2019 23:17

Chrispurple: Dec 29, 2012; Oh man, this is gonna be great.

Viridiant posted:

Everytime I've seen someone talk about the nazi poo poo in Attack on Titan it's been someone who hasn't actually read it.

This seems to be the trend.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 07:00

Mywhatacleanturtle: Jul 23, 2006

Captain Invictus posted:

The only thing that I know was confirmed is that pixis is based on an old Japanese general that he liked, similar to how an American might idolize Patton or MacArthur(and similarly as much of a shitbag as them). The rest is internet hearsay.

Given what's been happening in the manga it's hilarious the amount of people who, probably not watching the show or reading the manga, think it is pro-fascist in any way. Sure if you eat up the fascist government propaganda at face value it's portraying them in a good light, ignoring the constant reminders of atrocities towards the citizens and blatant disregard for human life.

Isn�t Pixis the dude with the vore fetish?

Genuinely asking, I haven�t kept up with AoT since, like, season one.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 07:45

Captain Invictus: Apr 5, 2005; Try reading some manga!; Clever Betty

I think he said "If I had to get eaten I'd hope it was by a pretty one like that" about the female titan

# ? Jun 27, 2019 08:02

a cartoon duck: Sep 5, 2011

i don't think the author of AoT is necessarily a fascist or whatever, but going all in on Holocaust imagery in their flesh mecha comic is a level of tastelessness i am not comfortable with to be honest

# ? Jun 27, 2019 12:42

Captain Invictus: Apr 5, 2005; Try reading some manga!; Clever Betty

holy poo poo lol

Neddy Seagoon posted:

So about the NGE translation changes, there's been some... interesting developments about Dan Kanematsu, who was in charge of it.

https://twitter.com/avatarskorra_/status/1144057124827226112

Setting aside the "LEFTIST TERRORISTS" stuff, would you like to start with the Nazi loli doujin he created, or the thinkpiece opposing an expansion on the child porn ban in Japan?

# ? Jun 27, 2019 13:20

Yardbomb: Jul 11, 2011; What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

I've been gone for like 50 pages but caught back up. I still like most of Matt's stuff and I'm glad his patreon's doing nice, Woolie's majority great, I like Reggie a bunch and Minh being uuugghhhh a little too often sometimes aside, most of his guests have been pretty fine, Liam on his own or just doing friendly stuff with Matt is a lot better and I hope he does good. Pat's always been my weak link and it doesn't help that his exclusively-Pat-fan viewerbase has by far shook out to be the worst every time I've looked, including the chat on the podcast being a lot more 4chins dregs by volume than the old one ever felt like. Plus I'm still not really good with Paige, so that's been one more block to watching his stream stuff as much. That was my report, thanks for reading.

Also make Kaworu gay again you fucks, that was a for real big moment for me watching that back then, put nazis back in their graves.

Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 13:23 on Jun 27, 2019

# ? Jun 27, 2019 13:20

RareAcumen: Dec 28, 2012

I'm glad someone else chimed in quickly because gently caress if I know anything about NGE aside from the guy behind it having a really bad depressive spiral while he was making it.

Terry van Feleday posted:

For full context: In the original line the reference is to a specific Japanese cultural term that can either be understood as "religious cult" or "leftist extremist movement". This twitter thread gives more info:
https://twitter.com/nezumi_ningen/status/1144008691143905288
So once again it's a technically valid translation, but also a super dumb one.

And a very long post possibly explaining why things are so bland now.

Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:

So there's actually a reason the translation is so hyper literal and stilted! I was actually there in Baltimore to witness the instigating moment for this, so, story time.

A bit of background for those unaware: there is an ostensible remake film series of Evangelion called Rebuild of Evangelion, that starts out fairly beat for beat but diverged more and more, so far culminating in the third film, which bears zero resemblance to the original work in any way and is more or less an original work with the same characters.

The third film, 3.0, also features Kaworu, the gray haired anime boy in those tweets, far more prominently than he ever was in Evangelion, where he's essentially a deuteragonist of the story with Shinji. 3.0 also extremely amps up the romantic overtones of their relationship to almost blatant heights, with one of the motifs in the film being Kaworu literally teaching Shinji how to play a duet on piano as part of a way to get to know each other.

So fast forward to Baltimore, 2013. 3.0 has been out in Japan for a couple months. Funimation has been working on the dub, and they're going to screen it in America at Otakon, one of the biggest anime conventions in America, in their biggest exhibit hall, which fits several hundred people. This was, as far as I know, the American Premiere, a full six months before it hit actual theaters. There is a massive amount of hype for this, because as I said, 3.0 was completely divorced from the original series and the rumors about it had completely reinvigorated the fandom to a fever loving pitch, so the room is packed to the loving gills, at full capacity. Some people come out, they intro the film, and the lights drop and it plays.

And what follows is a loving disaster.

So, I like 3.0. It's a movie that's willing to go completely loving batshit, and it more or less threw out every scrap of existing canon it possibly could in one of the most active attempts at audience antagonization it possibly could. But that's the problem, it actively antagonizes the audience. It starts with a twenty year time skip and all the characters berating Shinji, and refuses to explain anything for almost an hour of its run time. And the crowd loving loses it. There's cheering, there's laughter, there's groans, people shout "what the gently caress?" to massive applause. Most of the people in that room were watching it for the first time, and they were getting the both barrels treatment, so there was an extremely high level of energy for a movie screening.

So we get to the end of the first act, and Kaworu comes into the film for the first time, and this is where the wheels really come off the bus. Because funimation, at its core, still has a bit of the "by fans for fans" ethos going on, it's staff were all anime nerds, and shipping Kaworu and Shinji is one of the old classic ships of anime fandom. They'd been handed an official work from the original creator of Evangelion where the subtext of their relationship had been amped almost to text, so what did they do? They took the localization and pushed it even father. Every implication and hint is amplified, every joking line is uppsd to a full double entendre, and every double entendre is upgraded to full on flirting dialogue.

The crowd, being almost a thousand-strong people who were not only big enough nerds to go to a con but big enough to go to a movie screening AT a con, see this and essentially lose their loving mind.

From this point on, you could barely hear the actual movie, because people were cracking up at every single line, cheering every action, and just going completely nuts. Just a loving madhouse of hooting anime nerds. It continues like that mostly through to the end, people cheer, people leave, we all put the movie out of our minds and go get drunk as you do at anime cons, everything's right with the world, etc. Etc.

Except it isn't.

As the months go by, 3.0 has a slow rollout, leaves theaters, and news slows down. The first home release date in america blows by, no release. Second one blows by, no release. People start asking questions and answers are really cryptic. People are wondering, why the gently caress isn't it out on blu ray yet, Japan has had it for almost a year now.

After a few leaks and a public announcement comes out, a picture starts to form. Funimation is delaying the release because they're working directly with Khara to ensure "a better translation," and as such, are retranslating and redubbing the entire movie, from scratch.. Because it turns out, there was somebody actually from Khara itself at the screening at Otakon, and witnessing the crowd reaction had mortified them. The film was supposed to be taken seriously, you see; and witnessing an entire room losing their loving mind with laughter at what was supposed to be a serious film had set off every alarm bell in this person's head. I don't know if anyone tried to explain to them that Americans generally react more animatedly at the movies, or that the crowd at that particular showing was a unique experience, but if they did it didn't work; Khara latched on to the liberties taken with the localization as the reason, decided that people didn't take the movie seriously because the translation wasn't precise enough, that enough care wasn't taken with their project and changes had to be made.

Khara brought in their own translators and took a direct hand in the new dub of 3.0, and had to approve every single line, every single delivery, every single change. Funimation tried to push back but could get zero ground, and almost all the localization was stripped out in favor of a dry, clinical direct translation. The home release of 3.0 in the west eventually didn't land until 2016, a full three years after the movie came out, because of this.

Ever since, khara has been extremely hands on with any and all translation of their work, which includes the Netflix dub. This has the same translation team Khara brought on for the 3.0 dub, and it's full of absolutely bizarre choices that make no sense in English, like referring to the (singular) character of Shinji Ikari as "the first children" and cutting out all of the memorable adlibs from the first dub.

What's actually happening here with Kaworu is that in the original Japanese episodes, all of his lines have a large amount of ambiguity that you can't really translate directly into English. This is where localization is extremely important - you need to look at the context of his character and decide which choice makes more sense. But since khara doesn't trust localizers anymore, they mandated a translation that maximizes ambiguity at the cost of not sounding like anything an English speaker would ever say.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 14:30

Captain Invictus: Apr 5, 2005; Try reading some manga!; Clever Betty

RareAcumen posted:

I'm glad someone else chimed in quickly because gently caress if I know anything about NGE aside from the guy behind it having a really bad depressive spiral while he was making it.

You should watch eva because it is good and also because it is a hugely important series in the context of...a LOT of anime(and more) in the last 22ish years

It's by no means a perfect show, but god drat I remember watching some absurdly low res rips wayyyyy back in the day and it was unlike anything I had seen before at that point

I remember sitting a friend down who was relatively new to anime in the mid-oughts and told him to watch as much as he felt comfortable with while I went to work. He wound up binging the entire series in one go and was halfway through end of eva when I got home, and literally the only thing he did was do that thing psyduck does where he grabs his head and turns it sideways with a noise of confusion and overwhelmedness

Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Jun 27, 2019

# ? Jun 27, 2019 14:46

Phantasium: Dec 27, 2012

FEEL MY PAIN, WOOLIE! TAKE ALL OF IT!!!

# ? Jun 28, 2019 02:47

Archenteron: Nov 3, 2006

It Is Finished

The Assassination of Aya Brea by the Coward Square-Enix (Motomu Toriyama)

e: Minh lied the entire LP about liking the game just to sandbag Woolie's soul even harder. My god.

Archenteron fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Jun 28, 2019

# ? Jun 28, 2019 05:36

Captain Baal: Oct 23, 2010; I Failed At Anime 2022

Archenteron posted:

e: Minh lied the entire LP about liking the game just to sandbag Woolie's soul even harder. My god.

WHAT A GOD

# ? Jun 28, 2019 05:55

Captain Invictus: Apr 5, 2005; Try reading some manga!; Clever Betty

Actual photo of the inside of Woolie's apartment during this smash ultimate GIFG

This dude is absolutely savage with the trash talk

# ? Jun 29, 2019 03:50

MorningMoon: Dec 29, 2013; He's been tapping into Aunt May's bank account!
Didn't I kill him with a HELICOPTER?

Man, I wish the whole gang was together just to talk about Jebailey vs Nakazawa. That match had something for everyone: fart smells, justin wong, trash talking smash, buttons.

# ? Jun 30, 2019 17:39

Grouchio: Aug 31, 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqetAtMgMnU

Gun's on Woolie's head this time x 148.

# ? Jun 30, 2019 22:10

Supersonic Shine: Oct 13, 2012

Wha Happun?: The Super Mario Bros Movie

I really want to see the timeline where they had a proper script ready for Danny DeVito.

# ? Jul 1, 2019 00:11

Dias: Feb 20, 2011; by sebmojo

Grouchio posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqetAtMgMnU

Gun's on Woolie's head this time x 148.

Everyone:

WHY ISN'T IT GON TO YOUR HEAD

# ? Jul 1, 2019 00:26

Scrap Dragon: Oct 6, 2013; SECRET TECHNIQUE:
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Dias posted:

Everyone:

WHY ISN'T IT GON TO YOUR HEAD

https://twitter.com/wooliewoolz/status/1145497594761752577?s=21

# ? Jul 1, 2019 03:21

Captain Baal: Oct 23, 2010; I Failed At Anime 2022

Who the gently caress is watching Woolie's channel that is not familiar with Woolie

Who are these people, give me their names

# ? Jul 1, 2019 03:27

Grouchio: Aug 31, 2014

Captain Baal posted:

Who the gently caress is watching Woolie's channel that is not familiar with Woolie

Who are these people, give me their names

Anime fans?

# ? Jul 1, 2019 03:32

Grouchio: Aug 31, 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5mP9pUwod0

# ? Jul 2, 2019 19:43

Monaghan: Dec 29, 2006

Supersonic Shine posted:

Wha Happun?: The Super Mario Bros Movie

I really want to see the timeline where they had a proper script ready for Danny DeVito.

Man it really seems like they had a fun little movie at first and then the husband and wife director team came in and completely hosed it up for everyone. It's weird that most of the blame can be laid directly at the feet of only two people.

# ? Jul 2, 2019 20:14

Captain Invictus: Apr 5, 2005; Try reading some manga!; Clever Betty

Alright, so as someone who knows literally nothing about what third birthday is or why it's bad or what it's from outside of it being a parasite eve thing, why is it literally the worst it's ever been, with spoilers?

# ? Jul 3, 2019 00:57

Roobanguy: May 31, 2011

Captain Invictus posted:

Alright, so as someone who knows literally nothing about what third birthday is or why it's bad or what it's from outside of it being a parasite eve thing, why is it literally the worst it's ever been, with spoilers?

they kill the main character of the first 2 games and insert her much less cool and badass younger sister into her body. Also the way health works is the more damaged you are the less clothes you have on

They literally talked about it on today�s podcast with no spoilers.

# ? Jul 3, 2019 01:02

Captain Invictus: Apr 5, 2005; Try reading some manga!; Clever Betty

Yeah I happened to pause it right as they were about to really go deep, wow that's real bad

# ? Jul 3, 2019 01:32

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# ? May 31, 2024 10:50

Plan Z: May 6, 2012

Monaghan posted:

Man it really seems like they had a fun little movie at first and then the husband and wife director team came in and completely hosed it up for everyone. It's weird that most of the blame can be laid directly at the feet of only two people.

We're so used to blaming studios and executives these days. It does feel strange to be like "too much creativite license given to the directors is what hosed this licensed movie up."

# ? Jul 3, 2019 14:57

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