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Roberts doing his typical short term PR spin to cover for his long term republican minority rule agenda.
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haveblue posted:All the Dems are going to have to start talking about how the Court gets things wrong and needs to be corrected. It can't be left as the final and ultimate arbiter any more, Roberts has to be made to fail in preserving that image. Its already happening somewhat with certain cities in Blue states essentially refusing to cooperate with federal demanda targeting minority populations, or at the least stalling into a federal judge in said state issues an injuction. Like that poo poo seems insane to me and its happened at least 4 times already
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Telsa Cola posted:Im waiting for the inevitability where blue states essentially tell scotus/other rulings to gently caress off. There is precedent for a President or state to tell the Supreme Court to gently caress off ...that precedent is Andrew Jackson involving Native American genocide unfortunately, but it is there
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The big mess of the census decision appears to be holding that while they agree that adding a citizenship question is something that is permitted, the government made a bad argument as to why it was done in this instance. There will most likely not be a citizenship question on the 2020 census but only because the clock has run out, it's still an open question legally.
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Jun 27, 2019 15:44
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Telsa Cola posted:Im waiting for the inevitability where blue states essentially tell scotus/other rulings to gently caress off. Please give my compliments to my friends in your State and say to them, that if a single drop of blood shall be shed there in opposition to the laws of the United States, I will hang the first man I can lay my hand on engaged in such treasonable conduct, upon the first tree I can reach.
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They are just going to put the question on the forms anyway
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Jun 27, 2019 15:45
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America...it was nice for as long as it lasted
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haveblue posted:All the Dems are going to have to start talking about how the Court gets things wrong and needs to be corrected. It can't be left as the final and ultimate arbiter any more, Roberts has to be made to fail in preserving that image. yeah i think we do need to lay the groundwork for court-packin' it even has a historical fig leaf! there should be as many SC justices as there are circuit courts (as long as it's odd)!
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Maybe I'm just getting to the "need a politics break" of the loop but the past couple weeks seem like we are heading towards another civil war as government just stops working because of one side and the other side does jack poo poo about it. It's really freaking me out
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Jun 27, 2019 15:47
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WoodrowSkillson posted:They are just going to put the question on the forms anyway This. They're going to print it with the question and then say "oh whoops we used an older version. No time to do a reprint."
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Captain Invictus posted:hope is the first step on the road to disappointment I know this is a cringy quote from a video game or something but it’s true and I love it.
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if you a lily white white man, and you seen those Census taker jobs you should take it and push back on any regressive shits and maybe(definitely not really) be a regressives say poo poo vector.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:They are just going to put the question on the forms anyway Lol this was my thought as well
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Maybe I'm just getting to the "need a politics break" of the loop but the past couple weeks seem like we are heading towards another civil war as government just stops working because of one side and the other side does jack poo poo about it. It's really freaking me out It's probably more likely that you're just heading to 30 or more years of Republican stranglehold on government
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Gatts posted:America...it was nice for as long as it lasted Was it really, though? Relatively, at best, at times.
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cr0y posted:Lol this was my thought as well The rule of law only kind of exists now. That's comforting.
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PhazonLink posted:if you a lily white white man, and you seen those Census taker jobs you should take it and push back on any regressive shits and maybe(definitely not really) be a regressives say poo poo vector. And stay away from older male psychiatrists with kind of a creepy vibe. Especially if they have Italian wine.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:They are just going to put the question on the forms anyway this decision is probably grounds for it to be blocked by a lower court
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America was an okay idea turned into a spirit crushing reality
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WoodrowSkillson posted:They are just going to put the question on the forms anyway After watching the poo poo they've pulled over the last 3+ years I wouldn't be surprised. "Oops, we didn't have time to reprint, so we'll just announce you can ignore that question." *wink* *wink*
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So have we officially earned that stamp of "Failed Democracy" yet? How are the states supposed to combat gerrymandering if the people making and passing the laws were put there and continue to benefit from said gerrymandering? Not to sound overdramatic, but it sounds like SCOTUS has essentially left open rebellion as the only means of having this addressed.
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Gatts posted:America...it was nice for as long as it lasted It really wasn't Ogmius815 posted:I know this is a cringy quote from a video game or something but it’s true and I love it. Another quote from that series that will be relevant to the coming civil war as the rich are dragged from their bunkers to be devoured: OUR ENEMIES HIDE IN METAL BOXES, THE COWARDS, THE FOOLS! WE SHALL TAKE AWAY...THEIR METAL BOXES.
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Are the lower courts less likely to approve of the census question? I guess that's the big question for me. Setting aside the time frame involved and this regime's ability to find its rear end with two hands and a map, if the lower courts are less disposed to approving the question, then maybe this is a win in disguise? In either case, Dems need to pack the court.
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Almost Smart posted:Not to sound overdramatic, but it sounds like SCOTUS has essentially left open rebellion as the only means of having this addressed. Some cities are already doing this with things like refusing to cooperate with ICE and such.
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Jun 27, 2019 15:56
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Are the lower courts less likely to approve of the census question? Definitely not after what McConnell has done.
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Jun 27, 2019 15:56
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Almost Smart posted:So have we officially earned that stamp of "Failed Democracy" yet? How are the states supposed to combat gerrymandering if the people making and passing the laws were put there and continue to benefit from said gerrymandering? Not to sound overdramatic, but it sounds like SCOTUS has essentially left open rebellion as the only means of having this addressed. - most gerrymanders are fragile by definition in wave years - state courts, sometimes it's still a bad decision
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Jun 27, 2019 15:57
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Are the lower courts less likely to approve of the census question? I guess that's the big question for me. Setting aside the time frame involved and this regime's ability to find its rear end with two hands and a map, if the lower courts are less disposed to approving the question, then maybe this is a win in disguise? No, in fact after the leak exposing what the question was about, one of the lower courts actually ordered the case be sent back to them, because the judge is pissed.
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There Bias Two posted:Some cities are already doing this with things like refusing to cooperate with ICE and such. I think you're drastically over-estimating what sanctuary city laws and related mayoral decrees actually involve.
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Jun 27, 2019 15:58
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Are the lower courts less likely to approve of the census question? I guess that's the big question for me. Setting aside the time frame involved and this regime's ability to find its rear end with two hands and a map, if the lower courts are less disposed to approving the question, then maybe this is a win in disguise? Its not a win in disguise, it's a win (on the 2020 census at least). In order for it to be added, they would somehow need to come up with a better truer reasoning for adding it than they already gave, explain away the "we did this explicitly to help white people" evidence which was not addressed in this opinion, have all that believed by the court, and do it all before the October deadline. It ain't happening
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Are the lower courts less likely to approve of the census question? I guess that's the big question for me. Setting aside the time frame involved and this regime's ability to find its rear end with two hands and a map, if the lower courts are less disposed to approving the question, then maybe this is a win in disguise? IIRC the Maryland judge declined to rule on the basis of whether there was discriminatory intent and used a process violation basis, but then asked to have the case back to make a ruling on discriminatory intent after the thumb-drive files came out. I can't really imagine why she'd do such a thing other than the fact she's going to knock it down on that basis. e:f,b
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Would anti-gerrymandering rules be enforceable on a national level if Congress passed a law to ban the practice?
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GreyjoyBastard posted:- most gerrymanders are fragile by definition in wave years Yes, but they're sure to bolster theirs with broad voter disenfranchisement, which is also now basically fine according to this court.
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Going to be a day drunk day ain't it?Gatts posted:America...it was nice for as long as it lasted
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I'm leading my cities census outreach so the no citizenship question is huge if they don't try and just put it down anyway. At least gets me out of a bind of trying to say "you don't technically have to answer that one" to our Latino population that already doesn't trust anyone from the government (for drat good reason).
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I hate the gerrymander decision but is there any federal angle to attack it at all? I thought how to select their allocated reps was completely up to the state and the federal level has no say in it.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:- most gerrymanders are fragile by definition in wave years -ballot initiatives, in the states that permit them. It's still a bad decision that should be exploited as hard as possible to destroy the legitimacy of the court. Flip Yr Wig posted:I think you're drastically over-estimating what sanctuary city laws and related mayoral decrees actually involve. Yeah, they're refusing to *help* ICE. They have no power to bar ICE from cities entirely or really hinder them at all, they're just declining to provided non-mandatory assistance.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:- most gerrymanders are fragile by definition in wave years We break the gerrymander in another wave year (hopefully, it's not like Trump is not loving up even worse now) and then we gerrymander the GOP out of existence until we are ordered to stop by Roberts in a reverse decision
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Maybe I'm just getting to the "need a politics break" of the loop but the past couple weeks seem like we are heading towards another civil war as government just stops working because of one side and the other side does jack poo poo about it. It's really freaking me out The functionality of the executive branch has been gutted by the Trump administration, the legislative branch can't pass legislation except via the reconciliation process when the same party holds all three houses and the supreme court is openly partisan. US federal govt dysfunction has been ramping up slowly that it's been easy to overlook until an event like today's rulings make it clear that it's not working anymore. Whether this leads to civil war is speculation, IMO a Russia-style managed democracy is very possible (and arguably already here). Also JFC Canada, Australia and NZ are political tire fires and still managed to ban partisan gerrymandering. America is failing at the first tiny baby step of democratic reform.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:this decision is probably grounds for it to be blocked by a lower court How exactly will the courts stop them
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marshmonkey posted:Would anti-gerrymandering rules be enforceable on a national level if Congress passed a law to ban the practice? Yes
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