Milhist Thread Part The IVth: sir, my ass is flowing like Sun Tzu's army

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ContinuityNewTimes: Dec 30, 2010; Я выдуман напрочь

I make sandwiches.... for people who will surely die

# ? Jun 27, 2019 00:51

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# ? Jun 7, 2024 02:17

Goatse James Bond: Mar 28, 2010; If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

HEY GUNS posted:

Have you read "Among the Thugs"? Trin recommended it to me, I think you'd enjoy it. It's by a guy who spent a while with some soccer hooligans in the UK and noticed that a lot of thought goes into some of what they do.

coulda sworn i owned it but no??? maybe it was on amazon kindle but rotated out before i could read it :negative:

# ? Jun 27, 2019 00:52

HEY GUNS: Oct 11, 2012; FOPTIMUS PRIME

Marxist-Jezzinist posted:

I make sandwiches.... for people who will surely die

i'll read your mail, but only if you're dead. dead and german.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 00:58

ContinuityNewTimes: Dec 30, 2010; Я выдуман напрочь

*marxistly, somewhat jezzinist* I sell my life

# ? Jun 27, 2019 01:00

HEY GUNS: Oct 11, 2012; FOPTIMUS PRIME

Marxist-Jezzinist posted:

*marxistly, somewhat jezzinist* I sell my life

oh really? dm me

# ? Jun 27, 2019 01:02

Kangaroo Jerk: Jul 23, 2000

Anshu posted:

I'd be interested to read more about this, is there any literature you can point me to?

Just saw this. You're looking for Nechama Tec's When Light Pierced the Darkness: Christian Rescue of Jews in Nazi-Occupied Poland. Anything sociological about the Holocaust, Tec's written about it.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 01:19

Edgar Allen Ho: Apr 3, 2017; by sebmojo

HEY GUNS posted:

that's what i do on the train from reenactments, i take the cheapest one possible and lie down in the bike area

Yeah but what would u do if you were
Unique

# ? Jun 27, 2019 01:34

Anshu: Jan 9, 2019

Gumby posted:

Just saw this. You're looking for Nechama Tec's When Light Pierced the Darkness: Christian Rescue of Jews in Nazi-Occupied Poland. Anything sociological about the Holocaust, Tec's written about it.

Thank you!

# ? Jun 27, 2019 01:42

Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Tree Bucket posted:

Excellent advice.

...what? Google Images was super unhelpful with this.

Hey, images started working again

https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/49z954/during_the_battle_of_the_bulge_dec_1944_allied/

# ? Jun 27, 2019 01:59

Trin Tragula: Apr 22, 2005

HEY GUNS posted:

Have you read "Among the Thugs"? Trin recommended it to me, I think you'd enjoy it. It's by a guy who spent a while with some soccer hooligans in the UK and noticed that a lot of thought goes into some of what they do.

quote:

I will not describe the violence because what I want to depict is this precise moment in its complete sensual intensity�before chronology allows the moment to evolve into its consequences. What has occurred? What has happened when a crowd goes over the edge�or the cliff: the metaphors, though hackneyed, are revealing.

This is the way they talk about it:
They talk about the crack, the buzz and the fix. They talk about having to have it, of being unable to forget it when they do, of not wanting to forget it�ever. They talk about being sustained by it, telling and retelling what happened and what it felt like. They talk about it with the pride of the privileged, of those who have had, seen, felt, been through something that other people have not. They talk about it in the way that another generation talked about drugs or drink or both, except that they also use both drugs and drink. One lad, a publican, talks about it as though it were a chemical thing, or a hormonal spray or some kind of intoxicating gas�once it�s in the air, once an act of violence has been committed, other acts will follow inevitably�necessarily.

And how would I talk about it?
I think of consciousness as having to be aware of the present on a multiplicity of levels. The human mind is never at rest in the present; it is always roving, recalling, remembering, selecting, adding, forgetting. Sitting in this room as I write my mind is accommodating so many different activities at once: it encompasses this sentence as I write it; it has already composed the next one; it has completed this book and it has, at the same time, not completed it; it has never completed it. It accommodates the state of the kitchen; the sounds of the birds outside; the quality of the light; the items that I must address later in the day�tonight, this weekend, next month, when I am old. It has, over the time it has taken me to write this paragraph so far, addressed my relationship with the bank, with my family; noted the eye make-up that my sister wears on national holidays, recalled a death; lingered upon a sad memory. Human consciousness exists on far more levels than consciousness itself could represent. This is our reality; our humanness: the thousand million stimulants of the moment, the indiscriminate mass of motion that the mind is constantly engaging, disengaging, abandoning, retrieving.

I am attracted to the moment when consciousness ceases: the moments of survival, of animal intensity, of violence, when there is no multiplicity, no potential for different levels of thought: there is only one�the present in its absoluteness.

Violence is one of the most intensely lived experiences and, for those capable of giving themselves over to it, is one of the most intense pleasures. There on the streets of Fulham, I felt, as the group passed over its metaphorical cliff, that I had literally become weightless. I had abandoned gravity, was greater than it. I felt myself to be hovering above myself, capable of perceiving everything in slow motion and overwhelming detail. I realized later that I was on a druggy high, in a state of adrenalin euphoria. And for the first time I am able to understand the words they use to describe it. That crowd violence was their drug.

What was it like for me? An experience of absolute completeness.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 02:55

Tree Bucket: Apr 1, 2016; R.I.P.idura leucophrys

Milo and POTUS posted:

Hey, images started working again

https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/49z954/during_the_battle_of_the_bulge_dec_1944_allied/

Magnificent.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 05:03

GotLag: Jul 17, 2005; 食べちゃダメだよ

aphid_licker posted:

120 000 hectares

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_rouge_(s�quelles_de_guerre)

FYI you can get around this forum's lovely URL parsing by putting [url] tags around the whole link:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_rouge_(s%E9quelles_de_guerre)

Christ:

quote:

Some areas where 99% of all plants still die remain off limits (for example two small pieces of land close to Ypres and Wo�vre), as arsenic constitutes up to 176 mg/kg of soil samples.

What's the origin of all that arsenic?

GotLag fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Jun 27, 2019

# ? Jun 27, 2019 10:06

Grand Prize Winner: Feb 19, 2007

Maybe part of this fun little number but that's a guess and not speaking from any deeper knowledge.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 10:50

Timmy Age 6: Jul 23, 2011; Lobster says "mrow?"; Ramrod XTreme

There are a few candidates among the gases used. You�d have to try to figure out what got used when at each contaminated site to try to figure out exactly what was responsible. If I had to guess, each location might have been hit several times with different gases, some of which might leave more residual traces than others.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 10:56

GotLag: Jul 17, 2005; 食べちゃダメだよ

Oh, right, forgot the gases. I was trying to think what explosives/fuses would contain arsenic and in sufficient quantity to cause such contamination, and coming up blank.

I know that detonators can contain some unpleasant things like lead azide, but there's not much per shell.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 11:36

FrangibleCover: Jan 23, 2018; Nothing going on in my quiet corner of the Pacific.

This is the life. I'm just lying here in my hammock in Townsville, sipping a G&T.

I wonder if areas being hit by multiple gasses would result in unintended reactions that do stuff like break down chemical weapons containing arsenic to just dump molecular arsenic into the soil.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 11:55

bewbies: Sep 23, 2003; Fun Shoe

When was the first successful, intentional, BVR A2A engagement?

# ? Jun 27, 2019 14:52

PittTheElder: Feb 13, 2012; Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Timmy Age 6 posted:

There are a few candidates among the gases used. You’d have to try to figure out what got used when at each contaminated site to try to figure out exactly what was responsible. If I had to guess, each location might have been hit several times with different gases, some of which might leave more residual traces than others.

My gut tells me that rather than being places that were gassed repeatedly, it's places where they were storing it and it was slowly leeching out. But I can't back that up.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 15:01

Cessna: Feb 20, 2013; KHABAHBLOOOM

LatwPIAT posted:

Especially for ROCMC amphibious assaults - I'm super curious as to how they were planning to use their M733 and aging LVP-4s.

Minor, pedantic nitpick - there's no such thing as an LVP.

It was LVT (Landing Vehicle, Tracked) up until the LVT-5s, which was produced with variants which received their own designations. LVTP (Landing Vehicle Tracked, Personnel (the troop carrier)), LVTC (Command), LVTR (Recovery), LVTE (Engineer), LVTH (Howitzer, actually the LVTH-6).

I wish I could help with organization; I did a single training exercise with them on a WesPac but never got invited to the Staff Briefings to go over their TO&E. They didn't use any old LVTs on the exercise.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 15:32

FrangibleCover: Jan 23, 2018; Nothing going on in my quiet corner of the Pacific.

This is the life. I'm just lying here in my hammock in Townsville, sipping a G&T.

bewbies posted:

When was the first successful, intentional, BVR A2A engagement?

Really interesting question, I don't have an answer for you right now. I have this document: http://pogoarchives.org/labyrinth/11/09.pdf, which excoriates BVR missiles but claims two kills were made in the early 70s, but when you follow up on the connection to Steve Ritchie it says he had eyes on everything he ever shot at i.e. WVR kills with BVR weapons. The same applies to the note on the Israeli claim. Personally I'm going to go for an Iranian Phoenix shot some time in 1980 but I'd be unsurprised to find out there was one earlier.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 15:42

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-OhjLLhztg

The guy who made the 90s Godzilla is making this...

Looks like Ed Skrein is Dick Bong unless they decide that you can't have a character named that in a movie released in 2019. Woody Harrelson is Halsey.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 15:44

Xiahou Dun: Jul 16, 2009; We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.

zoux posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-OhjLLhztg

The guy who made the 90s Godzilla is making this...

Looks like Ed Skrein is Dick Bong unless they decide that you can't have a character named that in a movie released in 2019. Woody Harrelson is Halsey.

...Nick Jonas?

That's uh some casting, I guess.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 15:56

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Also carrier-launched B-25s so you know what that means...

# ? Jun 27, 2019 15:58

fartknocker: Oct 28, 2012; Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.; Wedge Regret

That looks awful. CGI and effects look terrible.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 16:01

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

CGI and effects are almost always way worse in trailers than in release.

I'm more concerned about accuracy since the headline actor is Patrick Wilson playing Edwin Layton so there are going to be tons of scenes where they try to make code breaking and sigint exciting.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 16:03

Cessna: Feb 20, 2013; KHABAHBLOOOM

You mean the US Navy didn't have Essex class carriers and the IJA didn't have T-6s at Midway?!?

# ? Jun 27, 2019 16:10

Ice Fist: Jun 20, 2012; ^^ Please send feedback to beefstache911@hotmail.com, this is not a joke that 'stache is the real deal. Serious assessments only. ^^

zoux posted:

Also carrier-launched B-25s so you know what that means...

I'm guessing that it means they're doing what the Henry Fonda and Charleton Heston Midway did and also cover the Doolittle Raid.

Either way consider me also really nervous about accuracy here.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 16:17

fartknocker: Oct 28, 2012; Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.; Wedge Regret

zoux posted:

CGI and effects are almost always way worse in trailers than in release.

It just looked really cheap to me, even for a trailer. Like, badly obvious CGI and green screens with overly large explosions like in Pearl Harbor or Windtalkers several other mediocre war movies from the past ten or fifteen years.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 16:31

SeanBeansShako: Nov 20, 2009; Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Yeah that trailer was not very good.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 16:52

FrangibleCover: Jan 23, 2018; Nothing going on in my quiet corner of the Pacific.

This is the life. I'm just lying here in my hammock in Townsville, sipping a G&T.

God that looks awful. It's all the worse for the fact that you could basically just dramatise the 3rd to 7th June 1942 exactly as it was, maybe cut Mogami and Mikuma for time, and have one of the best war movies ever made.

E: Honestly I'd rather watch Midway (1976), which is just the B-Roll from Tora Tora Tora intercut with Toshiro Mifune and Henry Fonda making worried faces.

FrangibleCover fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Jun 27, 2019

# ? Jun 27, 2019 16:53

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Look Roland Emmerich directed films renowned for their historical accuracy such as "The Patriot", "Stonewall", "10,000 BC" and "Stargate"

# ? Jun 27, 2019 16:56

Ice Fist: Jun 20, 2012; ^^ Please send feedback to beefstache911@hotmail.com, this is not a joke that 'stache is the real deal. Serious assessments only. ^^

FrangibleCover posted:

E: Honestly I'd rather watch Midway (1976), which is just the B-Roll from Tora Tora Tora intercut with Toshiro Mifune and Henry Fonda making worried faces.

I grew up watching that movie and by now I believe I have the entire script memorized front to back.

That and Sink the Bismark!

# ? Jun 27, 2019 17:06

PittTheElder: Feb 13, 2012; Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Whatever happened to that BoB except it's the Eighth Air Force series, is that even still happening?

# ? Jun 27, 2019 17:09

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

PittTheElder posted:

Whatever happened to that BoB except it's the Eighth Air Force series, is that even still happening?

https://twitter.com/johnorloff/status/1076467332220940288

Maybe

# ? Jun 27, 2019 17:15

HEY GUNS: Oct 11, 2012; FOPTIMUS PRIME

zoux posted:

Look Roland Emmerich directed films renowned for their historical accuracy such as "The Patriot", "Stonewall", "10,000 BC" and "Stargate"

i watched the patriot as a child

i enjoyed it :negative:

# ? Jun 27, 2019 17:20

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HEY GUNS posted:

i watched the patriot as a child

i enjoyed it

I did too. I'm sorry I'll show myself out.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 17:32

LatwPIAT: Jun 6, 2011

Cessna posted:

Minor, pedantic nitpick - there's no such thing as an LVP.

It was LVT (Landing Vehicle, Tracked) up until the LVT-5s, which was produced with variants which received their own designations. LVTP (Landing Vehicle Tracked, Personnel (the troop carrier)), LVTC (Command), LVTR (Recovery), LVTE (Engineer), LVTH (Howitzer, actually the LVTH-6).

Yeah, my mistake. I got LVT confused with LVP. I mix up the letter order on LVTP with LVPT all the time.

(Not to mention the joy that is the LVT(A)-5 and the LVTP-5, completely different vehicles with almost no relation!)

# ? Jun 27, 2019 17:34

Taerkar: Dec 7, 2002; kind of into it, really

zoux posted:

Look Roland Emmerich directed films renowned for their historical accuracy such as "The Patriot", "Stonewall", "10,000 BC" and "Stargate"

Are you trying to claim that Stargate was historically inaccurate?

# ? Jun 27, 2019 17:38

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

HEY GUNS posted:

i watched the patriot as a child

i enjoyed it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWHJTvzC-Qo

This episode of the Simpsons, parodying ridiculous blockbuster a-historical films, aired in 1999. As you can see here, it features Mel Gibson killing his enemy with an American flag pole, as a humorous example of the kind of excessive and absurd action within these movies. In 2000, Mel Gibson starred in the Patriot, in which he stabs his enemy with an American flag pole.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 17:43

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# ? Jun 7, 2024 02:17

Zhanism: Apr 1, 2005; Death by Zhanism. So Judged.

Taerkar posted:

Are you trying to claim that Stargate was historically inaccurate?

Nothing is inaccurate when you have time travel.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 17:46

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